Ruby & Jodi: A Cult of Sin and Influence (2025) s01e04 Episode Script

Early on, we realized that this was
gonna to be a very complicated,
not a run of the mill case and
clearly gonna to be a tragic case.
When we found Ruby's journal
cataloguing the abuse,
it became pretty clear to us
that Jodi is abusing religion
to cause others to do evil acts.
Ruby's journal gave us the timeline
of the abuse in her own handwriting
and her admitting to abusing
her kids in horrible ways
and clearly implicating Jodi being
present throughout that abuse.
It was frankly terrifying.
We know from Ruby's journaling
that the children came down
to Jodi's house in Ivans
towards the middle of May
and Jodi says something
to the tune of,
you need to discipline these
kids more. They're out of control.
The two youngest are showing
long patterns of selfishness,
their unwillingness to repent,
their unwillingness to feel sorrow
over some pretty egregious choices.
So, we're going to give
them the gift of repentance.
THEY NEEDED
THINGS TO GET HARD
It starts with disciple like, forcing
the kids to sit against a wall
like you're sitting in a chair
but there's no chair there.
Or carrying boxes up and down stairs.
Not to accomplish anything,
just as a punishment.
And then the discipline morphed into
denying food, denying water
and then
with forced labor outside.
These are all your distortions,
foo- foo there's hundreds of it.
And the root structure
is your core belief.
I recommend an axe of truth.
Ivins is down in the desert,
and it is hot in those summer months.
Do you know how hot it is?
Look at this,
our peaches, it's liquid!
We also know there were instances
of forcing these kids
to stand still in the sun on
a cement patio in the heat,
punished if they moved towards shade,
punished if they sought water.
There was evidence
of repeated sunburns.
Had we been aware
at that point in July,
that would have been
aggravated child abuse.
The boy has been told
by Ruby and Jodi
that he needs to be doing these
crazy physical things,
then he's going to go sit in jail
and do his punishment
that society would demand.
That's not true and parents
should never tell their kids
that they're going to go sit in jail.
But that's what he thought,
which, to us, was clear evidence
of emotional abuse.
He's being beat down in every way,
emotionally, mentally, physically.
And so, around the middle of July,
he is suffering so much that
he said he wants to go sit in jail.
And that's when he works
up the courage and runs away.
He does it
in the middle of the night.
And he's out in the middle of nowhere
in a neighborhood he doesn't know.
He used landscape pebbles
and he wrote a message
making it clear
to his mom and to Jodi
that he was running away
to go to jail.
He was trying
to find a police station
where he could ask them
to take him to jail.
And they catch him before he was able
to talk and communicate with anybody.
A kid shouldn't believe
that they belong in jail.
After the boy ran away, that's when
things started to go off the rails.
The children were kept in a closet
or in a small room
for extended periods of time.
The boy was regularly bound
for long periods of time.
When his legs had been injured
from handcuffs,
they told him that he should
ensure their circulation to his legs
by having him jump on the
exercise trampoline
in the sun
for hours and hours on end.
And we found that trampoline
with sweat marks
or other body fluid dried on it.
Who would ever do that to a child?
And so, we clearly have more evidence
of Ruby inflicting the abuse,
but we had evidence
that Jodi was causing it.
Pain is meant to teach you.
Pain is there
to give you an opportunity
to make different choices.
When I was living with Jodi,
she had this patio
outside of her bedroom,
there was only room to really stand
and I would have to sleep on that,
like curled up in freezing weather
and I would fantasize
about jumping off,
if I break my leg at least
I'll be in the hospital.
I didn't know how to make it stop.
But I had finally gotten
to a point where I felt like,
if I don't leave now,
I will never get out.
And I remember seeing it,
realizing the door was unlocked.
And so I left. I ran away.
Eventually a cop car picked me up,
took me to the police department.
I was put into a holding room where
an officer came and talked to me
and I told her like
the very bare minimum,
I'm sleeping outside,
I'm not in school,
Jodi instilled in me
that all I do is ruin people's lives.
And so, I was like, I can't destroy
her life, but I just wanted out.
And I was like,
can I just go to jail,
and they're like, that's not
how this works.
What do I need to do to be arrested?
The officer grabbed my hand
and said Jesus, he loves you.
And she's like, I talked to Jodi
and the reason why
you were sleeping outside
actually is they were giving you
a final chance to change your ways.
And so, then Jodi came
and picked me up.
I can picture that moment
so vividly of her coming in.
After that,
thing got significantly worse.
It was just unrelenting.
In December twenty-sixteen,
shortly after I filed for divorce,
my daughter, she's just this
sweet little two-year-old,
she had been with her mom
and my daughter returned to me
with a cut expanding like
her entire right hamstring
and I texted my ex-wife and I said,
hey,
could you tell me what happened
and she just responded,
she was playing outside.
I responded,
that doesn't really explain it.
Could you please explain
what happened? And she refused.
And the injuries continued
and became much worse.
I went to the police station.
And they asked my daughter,
what happened.
And she immediately responded,
mommy did it.
He called his on-call detective
who called the on-call DCFS worker
and she didn't take
any protective action.
And it was just
indescribably painful
cuz like no one would listen.
Probably the worst instance
of injuries my daughter sustained
was in November of twenty-eighteen.
It looked to me like she
had been in a boxing match.
She had bruises above
and below her right eye,
a bruise on her left cheek,
cut on her left lip.
And so, I asked
my daughter what happened
and she immediately looked
up to my ex-wife
who told her,
a mirror fell on you.
I reported it to CPS.
And I didn't learn this until later,
but CPS didn't investigate at all,
they just
didn't meet their clearing.
They said, the mom and the daughter
are saying the same things.
From what I've seen,
investigating Jodi Hildebrandt
is that she teaches that children
need abuse and torture.
I've personally observed my ex-wife
continue to use these teachings
after it's been shown
how destructive they are.
I just have to pray
that my daughter will be okay
and I have to love her as much
as I can we're together
to help her through this situation.
But it's discouraging
and it makes you feel hopeless.
You're kind of taught to trust
the system but the system's broken.
If you don't choose truth
inside pain,
you will default into distortion.
It will be the other choice.
That's what pain is for.
I didn't trust anyone
because I'd gone
to the cops, they did nothing.
I had family members see me
duct taped,
they did nothing.
And they know Jodi.
They fucking know her.
But people started getting concerned.
Church members started talking
to the bishop.
And the bishop just went directly
to Jodi, gave them all the names.
And then I had to go door to door
apologizing to them
for manipulating them
into feeling sorry for me.
I had no one to turn to,
no one I could trust.
And I'm so ashamed that I don't have
the strength to withstand this
but if I don't get out now,
I'm going to die.
And so, I ran away again.
And I run, like, I'm sprinting.
Because I had no idea when Jodi
would notice that I was gone.
And then when the coast was clear
I started walking along the road
and I had been outside for so long.
And eventually,
I got picked up by this man.
He knew that there was
something very wrong.
He was talking to me like you
would like a scared cat,
like do you want to like,
come stay with my family?
I ended up staying
with them for like three days.
And they were like,
we have to know who you are
or else we can get
into a lot of trouble.
So, either you can tell us your name
or we can take you to the
Road Home Shelter in Salt Lake.
I was like if I give them my name,
I will end up back at Jodi's.
I told them to drop me off
at the shelter and they drove away.
They gave me a notebook
with their names and phone numbers
and it and, I'm going to cry.
I lost that book the first
night at the shelter.
And so, I don't have any way
to contact them.
But they saved my life.
I can only imagine
the little boy that escaped,
I heard the 911 call
and him being so afraid
that he was going to get in trouble.
And he asked us to call the police.
So, he's very afraid.
He says, what's happened
to him is his fault.
I know that feeling.
Like, me coming and asking for help
is because I'm so weak
and I'm so ashamed but I'm dying.
There's no way he would
have known that.
But that will to survive,
that driving force, saved his life.
I know this is a dark thought, but
What would have happened to these
kids if the police did not intervene?
The kids would have died.
If those children had not
escaped when they did,
they would have been dead
within two weeks.
Similarities between two women
who gained worldwide attention
for their egregious crimes against
their own children.
Lori Vallow-Daybell has
been sentenced to life in prison
for the murders of her daughter,
sixteen-year-old Tyler Ryan
and seven year old, J.J. Vallow.
Behind almost every crime
we cover where people were hurt,
and or murdered, there's some
element of dehumanization.
And so, but the question
is how do you get there?
We realized that there
were two abused children,
That was our first fear is this
like Kylee and J.J. all over again.
The motive behind the killing
was that the children were
evil spirits, they were zombies.
Their mother said this
in her sentencing statement,
that the children
were better off dead.
I've had many communications
with Jesus Christ,
the savior of this world,
I know for a fact that my children
are happy and busy
in the spirit world.
How do you make that judgment
when somebody crosses over
from radical religious beliefs
to complete delusion?
Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell,
they read this book,
Visions of Glory.
It is one of the top selling
LDS books out there.
Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt
were also reading
the Visions of Glory.
And they were believing
the same things
that Lori Vallow
and Chad Daybell believed
which was that evil spirits
can possess righteous bodies.
We have the dead
walking among us.
I have talked to now several LDS
members who have read this book,
many who have come out
of almost its trance,
you could say and realized
that how extreme it made them.
One of the most
frightening moments in the book
is when the members of the church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
are preparing
for the second coming of Christ
and there's a lot of tribulations,
they explain earthquakes and death
and destruction and sickness,
that all of a sudden the people
that are there,
the most righteous people
that are surviving all of this,
will have to act as God and that they
will have to choose to kill people
who do not repent.
But that it is better that these
people are killed
to save their souls
than to continue living.
Pam Bodtcher, Jodi Hildebrandt,
Ruby Franke,
they all start having
similar dream and visions
and they validate one another.
They believe that their dreams
and visions mean something,
that God is speaking to them.
She would walk with heavenly father
and heavenly mother
and she had a pet lion
in heaven named Charles.
Kevin Franke tells us
it is interview with police
that Jodi and Ruby even have
a book with their visions.
You found the pen papers.
The pen papers.
Wanting to know where this book is
because it has the answers
to everything.
We do have Ruby's journal
which is from those days.
The stuff she wrote on a pen papers
was not intended to be read
by anybody until God
decree them to be written
as scripture for the whole world.
That's not the journal
that we have so
It's something Jodi
would not want found.
A lot of these visions,
they're about the end times
and that is what
they're prepping for.
Her house was made for prepping.
These homes don't have basements,
but she had like, three.
The amount of effort you would have
to make to go through that lava rock
and create a basement, a sub-basement
and then another basement,
holy ---- like it's crazy.
And they believe that they are going
to be called to the mountains
or safe zones and be protected.
Northern Arizona, southern Utah,
and eastern Idaho.
Jodi wanted a ranch style property
in the desert in Arizona.
I had a trip the other day
and I went to go see a particular
piece of land on the planet.
And they were talking about
taking the kids out there and having
to do more physical labor
and Ruby's journals
specifically says,
we're going to take them out in the
desert in Arizona and drop them.
When you're having visions and you
believe that God is speaking to you,
it doesn't really matter if you know
you're breaking the law or not.
God is the ultimate lawmaker.
Whether child abuse is legal or not,
it doesn't really matter.
There's much deception
going on
that the law, quote unquote,
they don't know that the truth is.
They don't know
who's telling the truth.
As I think about
what would have happened
if Ruby's son
hadn't run away that day,
I just feel fear.
-This is a free call from
-Ruby Franke.
An inmate at Purgatory
Correctional Facility.
This call is subject to recording
and monitoring.
-You there?
-Yeah, hi.
OK.
It's common for people
to get on the jail calls
and can't help themselves
and talk about their case
but I haven't ever personally
listened to calls
that had made me feel
as much emotion and anger
as I did when I heard
Ruby and Jodi's.
They're going to be
in the hospital for three days.
It's so weird.
It's just not necessary.
Like trying to exaggerate this.
They're all in cahoots.
Nobody wants the truth.
So now it's abusive
to make a kid sleep on the floor.
It's abusive.
Or it's abusive to that's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. You can't even
raise your kids anymore.
A big part of the reason
is because of the self-righteousness
of the two defendants.
The whole time they're just acting
like they're in the right,
everybody else is corrupt or bad.
I am completely misunderstood.
That is the most horrible feeling and
I'm going to get out of this.
Who knows? Maybe in ten days
I'll get out of this.
If the truth prevails.
Jodi and these jailhouse calls,
lacks any kind of remorse.
And she's also quoting
a lot of scripture.
She seems to be comparing herself
to a martyr.
The Lord says
But first they'll lay their hands
on you and persecute you.
Delivering you up to the synagogue
and into prisons.
Being brought in for kings
and rulers for my name's sake
and it shall turn to you
for a testimony.
I just read that, and I just wept.
I mean the spirit said this is you.
In the beginning
when we hear Ruby's phone calls,
she is team Jodi,
she is standing by Jodi's side.
Poor Jodi, they misinterpret her.
They misunderstand her.
And you know what?
Every Joseph Smith
Every wonderful man of God
has had to be misunderstood.
Some of the first calls that we hear,
Ruby, she doesn't see
what went wrong.
Then there's Kevin on the other end
of the line supporting alongside her.
And I'm a good woman.
I don't do naughty things.
I don't do naughty things.
I'm a really good girl.
Ruby, I am committed to our family.
I'm committed to you and our
marriage, no matter what happens.
Thank you. Thank you.
I will be here to support you
in any way that I can.
Both Ruby and Jodi, their lawyers
are coming to us and saying
these are two women
with no criminal history,
they're not gonna be a risk,
they need to get out on bail.
And frankly, I was really worried
that those arguments would prevail.
But then we started getting more
information about the case.
Pictures are coming in.
We didn't do that. We didn't do that.
Those pictures we did not do.
He did that to himself.
We put that on him and then he
rubbed around and cut himself.
Yes, but we didn't do that.
This is a witch hunt.
The devil's been
after them for years.
As soon as they had the images
of the state the kids were in,
the bail issue kind of
just quietly goes away.
They're no longer asking for bail,
now they're asking what kind of
a plea deal can we get here?
Okay, guys. Breaking news
in the 8 Passenger's case.
Kevin Franke, Ruby's husband,
has officially filed for divorce.
While Ruby Franke has been charged
with 6 felony counts of child abuse,
Kevin Franke has yet to be charged
in connection with the crimes.
Has been working to get custody
of the minor children
while Ruby is in prison.
So, I had this phone call
with Kevin's attorney.
He explains
that Kevin was brainwashed
and he's just now coming out of it.
At the same time,
Ruby even says in a phone call,
I haven't been with Jodi, I'm not
listening to her constantly anymore,
and I see things differently.
It's interesting how that happens.
I could not come out of this without,
without his grace,
without his mercy,
without his help.
This has been the strangest
and the most miraculous intervention.
It put everybody where
they needed to be.
It separated me from Jodi,
so I'm not hearing her.
And I think just being gone
and not hearing her
has cleared a lot of
things up for me.
And it's embarrassing,
too, just like, repeated.
Oh my gosh, how gullible was I?
Oh my gosh, how much power
I gave this person.
And I didn't see it.
It was like the little strings that
started pulling apart this fabric.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
What have I done? Like, what?
Being swindled or being indoctrinated
isn't an excuse
for committing crimes.
At this point,
they've been in jail for months
and Ruby is now ready
to take a plea deal.
We begin with breaking news tonight
involving Ruby Franke,
the YouTuber accused of child abuse.
She's expected in court on Monday.
We did agree to not advocate to the
Utah Board of Pardons and Parol
that she stay in longer than
whatever they're considering doing.
Ruby pretty quickly
accepted the offer,
and she agreed to testify against
Jodi as part of her plea deal.
We get this long letter
from her legal representation
saying that Ruby Franke
was prepared to testify
against Jodi Hildebrandt.
The letter also goes into detail
about Franke's relationship with Jodi
saying over an extended period,
Hildenbrandt systematically isolated
Ruby Franke from her family.
The letter states Franke
is committed to taking responsibility
for the part she played in the events
leading up to her incarceration.
She's not buying
what Jodi is selling anymore.
My attorney he's like,
Jody denies everything.
She denies having anything
to do with this.
And I was shocked. I was like, what?
And that's when I realized
she knew all along.
And she's not even hiding it.
And then I was like, crap,
what am I saying?
That's when things
kind of started turning.
I was like, she's not been honest.
I didn't know she would lie.
What else has she been lying about?
Where else have I been deceived?
There are three keys,
the first is learning
how to become impeccably honest.
Number two is rigorous
personal responsibility
and number three
is the willingness to be humble.
It goes from this partnership,
they were side-by-side, hand-in-hand,
shoulder to shoulder working together
to Ruby has turned on Jodi.
Today is judgment day for Ruby Franke
and her partner in business
and crime, Jodi Hildebrandt,
here at the Washington County
Courthouse in St. George Utah.
All rise.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to District Court.
We're here for sentencing
in the matter of the state of Utah
versus Ruby Franke.
It's typical when someone comes
in for their sentencing
for the person to accept
responsibility, ask for some mercy,
but in this case,
as long as the judge accepted
the plea deal from Ruby and Jodi,
the judge didn't
have very much discretion.
He was going to sentence them
to the maximum that was possible
with what they pled to
and that's what they agreed to do.
But frankly, there's still
some incentive for them to come in
and accept responsibility
because now
they're trying to convince
the Utah Board of Pardons
and Parole
that they're not a risk
to society anymore,
so that they can
get out of prison quicker.
Ruby's sentencing
was scheduled first.
And nobody had ever had a sentencing
statement like what she gave.
Thank you to the Ivan City Police.
You were the angels
who came and saved my children.
Thank you to the medical staff.
Thank you to DCFS,
the Children's Justice Center.
Ruby Franke sounded like she
was at the Academy Awards.
She says, I want to
thank the arresting officers.
I want to thank everybody
that questioned me.
She went on and on and on.
To my babies, my six little chicks,
you are part of me.
I was so disoriented.
You are, you're so precious to me.
I'm sorry.
I'm looking over at the Frankes.
Shari has her gaze fixed
on Judge Walton.
She just never once looked
at her mother.
And it was so telling.
And Chad, his gaze is kind of
all over the place.
But really no big reaction
to what his mother is saying.
And then Ruby apologizes to Kevin.
Kevin,
my husband of more than twenty-three
years, you are the love of my life.
I'm so sorry
to leave to you to finish
what we both started together.
The ending of our marriage
is a tragedy.
And you are wrapped around my heart
in a knot I'll never be able to undo.
You can hear the sniffles
in the courtroom.
Their marriage is over.
His kids are on either side
and he threw his head into his hands
and Kevin breaks down in tears.
Ruby was handed down her sentence.
And there was just like four beats
of silence where no one moved.
And then Jodi's whisked in.
And there's a different energy
in the room.
After Ruby's big, long, teary,
I can't believe I did this,
Jodi's attorney was like, your honor,
can we have a few minutes?
I suspect he then
talked to his client
and said you've got to say something.
Jodi tries to bring herself
to say that she's sorry.
But she couldn't.
I sincerely love these children.
I desire for them to heal physically
and emotionally.
One of the reasons
I did not go to trial
was that I did not want them to
emotionally relive
the experience which
have been detrimental to them.
My hope and prayer
is that they will heal
and move forward
to have beautiful lives.
Most of the people in the courtroom
were pretty angry
at what she was saying.
I think the judge was.
Ms. Hildebrandt,
this circumstance is tragic.
It's largely,
of course, of your making.
What happened to these children
and your philosophy
in dealing with them
frankly seems detached
from reality
or any objective standard of decency.
The court finds
that it is appropriate
that you serve a prison sentence.
The court imposes
four one to fifteen-year sentences
to be again served
consecutively for each
of the four counts of
aggravated child abuse.
It was really eye-opening
to see the difference between the two
Especially the way
that Jodi just did not seem to care
about anything that was going on
I mean
Jodi just stood there emotionless
and just
Can I didn't react at all
about anything that was going on
and it just
really. let us to believe like
there is no way that she feels
like she did anything wrong.
Everybody wrong,
everybody else is the problem.
I'm the one that was trying
to do right by those kids
and I think a lot of people
were offended
that she said she loved those kids.
Because that's not how
you show that you love people.
That's not how you care for children.
Ruby essentially says
that are sensing hairy look
I was, I got caughtup in this
I didn't know what I was doing
this was horrible, this was Evil.
You know I have nothing to do
right she portrays herself as this
unwitting victim of Jodi's'
My problem with that is she takes
no responsibility whatsoever
for the fact that she's already
engaging prior to meeting Jodi.
She's already egaging
in these somewhat restrictive
potentially abusive
parenting practices.
There was probably like an empathy.
You know after Jodi's crime
Bonnie gets I don't know
if I can mention that name.
Yeah, Bonnie.
Bonnie gets on You Tube
like a day later.
Bonnie essentially says
I'm not affiliated with my sister
I have nothing to do with my sister.
Please leave me out of this
I get people wanting
to put blame somewhere.
I do. They want to blame someone.
There's only one person
that could have helped and he didn't.
What he was doing all that time
when human Ruby were separated
is beyond.
Ruby Franke and her business partner,
Jodi Hildebrandt
have been sentenced
to four consecutive prison terms
which could range from anywhere
from one to fifteen years each
following their guilty plea to four
counts of second-degree
felony aggravated child abuse.
I think that a four-year
minimum for Ruby's actions
are entirely appropriate.
I hope that Jodi serves
more time than that
and I hope that she
isn't out of prison
until everybody
is completely confident
that she's no longer a risk.
A lot of people are questioning,
including myself
on behalf of the public,
what if they get let out in 4 years,
do you think that's likely?
Will they serve the same
amount of time?
People need to realize
these women could potentially
be in prison only four years.
They could be in prison
up to thirty.
But that has yet to be decided.
So, coming out of this case,
we have state leaders
and we also have the Frankes,
notably Shari and Kevin, advocating
for several pieces of legislation.
Shari has thrown her support
behind this Child Influencer
Protections bill,
which will become law.
Shari Franke,
a former family vlog star,
is advocating for minors
on social media.
She told lawmakers about the harm she
experienced from family vlogging.
I don't come today as the
daughter of a felon
nor as a victim of an abnormally
abusive mother.
I come today as a victim
of family vlogging.
Shari Franke, the oldest of the kids,
should be seen as one
of the heroes of this
that really did what she could
to try to stop this crazy train
that happened that led
to this horrible abuse.
Family vlogging ruined my innocence
long before Ruby committed a crime.
Most child influencers would probably
tell you they have full control
over what is posted but the reality
is that their parents bribe
and shame them into posting
their most vulnerable moments.
Vlogging my family, putting
my children into public social media
was wrong and I regret it every day.
As far as Kevin Franke,
he really advocated for regulating
the life coaching profession.
Ms. Jodi Hildebrandt
continued to be licensed
by the state
even after all that was apparently
known about her by DOPL,
The Department of Professional
Licensing, since at least 2010.
The goal is for DOPL to have
more resources
to go after these bad actors.
Protect our children
so that what happened to my family
cannot happen to anyone else.
I can't tell you what I have done
to get to where I am today.
I got remarried and have got
a gorgeous little baby.
-You did it.
-Yeah.
Most of my life's like uber normal.
Like, I'm waking up, going to work,
excited about seeing my kids.
As a thirty-one year-old
living in Europe,
having a wonderful career
in tattooing,
having had truly so many incredible
experiences in my life,
this version of me is very new.
And it took a lot of different
versions of me to get here.
It took me some time to realize
that if someone's a member of the
church it doesn't make them honest,
or good person.
It doesn't make them have my
best interest at heart.
What it does is it positions them
to be able to take advantage of me
in ways that they would
without the church there.
I asked myself the question, is this
really the right thing for me?
I was just like, I can never
go back to the church. I'm done.
This concept of healing
is very hard to define.
I will probably have nightmares
to some degree
for the rest of my life.
We want a happy ending
for the Franke children.
My hope for them
is that the amount of validation
that is confirming their reality
can be a catalyst for their healing.
Just when we think new details
in this case have slowed down
and it's going to go quiet,
we learn
about this racketeering lawsuit.
In our suit, we allege that this
is a racketeering enterprise
and Jodi Hildebrandt, Ruby Franke,
Connexions, Pam Bodtcher,
you know, my ex-wife,
haven't been held responsible
for the destruction of families.
The lawsuit alleges that these women,
through this organization,
falsely advertises help and healing,
but instead, it promotes child abuse,
psychological warfare.
Pam isn't listed
as a defendant but
you mention her in your lawsuit, why?
Pam Bodtcher taught many of those
Connexions master classes.
She directed the
Connexions foundation.
And she was just extremely involved
in this organization.
And potentially still is.
And in Ruby Franke's journal entries,
Bodtcher went
to Hildebrandt's residence while
the children were being abused.
The day Ruby and Jodi
had been arrested,
the two older daughters of Ruby's
were actually found at Pam's home.
I think it frustrates a lot of
people. Like, especially online,
like why wasn't she held accountable
for some of this?
Maybe there's something there,
maybe there's not,
but it's hard for me to believe
that she did not play a role in this.
Yeah, no, I know Pam.
I know Pam Bodtcher.
What's your read on Pam Bodtcher?
In my experience,
Pam Bodtcher saw everything.
She was team Jodi all of the way.
Saw all of the abuse that
was happening, did nothing.
All I can say about Pam
is that we never had enough evidence
to charge her with a crime.
CONNEXIONS
I don't know, I don't have proof
that Connexions classroom
is still operating,
nor do I know the scope
of Jodi's influence or power
from behind bars at this point.
It's hard to fathom,
but unfortunately,
we know that even when leaders
are punished or put behind bars,
they can still have followers.
They can still have
a lot of influence
and their teachings
can still be implemented.
And it's a scary thought to ponder.
The experience of narcissistic
abuse of-of torture,
of coercive control is not new.
If we decide to throw this out as
a fluke, I would never be duped.
You're missing out on an opportunity
to make sure that this doesn't
happen again.
This is a call from
and paid for by
Jodi Hildebrandt.
An inmate at Purgatory
Correctional Facility.
A guy from a ward that I was saying,
he came over and he gave me
a blessing and he told me,
what you've been doing
is going to change.
You're going to be teaching
differently in the next little while.
And I'm like, what in the world?
It feels like I was being set up
to end up here.
I know that sounds bizarro.
But when I get out of here,
I have a story to tell.
And I don't know if I'm going to be
like some kind of example.
I mean, I shouldn't be here.
I haven't done anything wrong.