The Fox Hollow Murders: Playground of a Serial Killer (2025) s01e02 Episode Script
A House with Good Bones
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[indistinct chatter]
[phone ringing]
TAYLOR:
What I hate in true crime
are the reenactments
that are very inaccurate.
But then what I love about
true crime is the ending,
when they put all
the puzzle pieces together.
That's the best part.
- You gotta keep going.
It's like what Jeff's doing.
You gotta keep going
till it's done.
[birds chirping]
[tense music]
♪
JELLISON:
If these trees could talk,
what would they tell us?
♪
The criminal investigation
appeared to have ended
when Herb Baumeister
killed himself.
♪
Do I believe that there was
more to this investigation
than what came out?
Yes.
♪
MUSALL: Herb Baumeister's
suicide ended his life,
but it didn't end the story.
It just caused
even more questions.
♪
MILLIGAN: Did he have help?
Was there a partner in crime?
♪
JELLISON:
I went to Fox Hollow Farms
with members of the FBI.
It is believed that
Herb Baumeister murdered
these people in his pool area.
When we were standing there,
an FBI agent looked at me
and said, how does one man
drag all of these people
from the pool house 150,
200 yards back into the woods?
♪
And they found
10,000 human remains
at Fox Hollow Farm.
How does one man do this?
I think there's a lot of people
asking that question.
MUSALL: The biggest mystery
after almost 30 years--
was there an accomplice?
JELLISON: If he did
what law enforcement alleges
that he did, I think
it would have been difficult
for him to do it alone.
[dramatic music]
♪
[tense music]
♪
- I think the property
will always be
Herb Baumeister's place.
And you have to think about
how this could affect you,
living in a house where so many
people had been killed.
♪
You know, my given name
is Robert,
but I've always gone by Rob.
And then, of course,
my last name just happens
to be Graves.
We've never put it
on the mailbox,
but there's some irony
in the fact that
if you say it together,
you're "robbing graves."
♪
I personally didn't have
any interest in serial killers
until I bought a house that
was owned by a serial killer.
He hasn't stood this still
in years for anything.
- You think it's
a full bucket of food?
GRAVES: We were looking
for a property
to keep horses
in Hamilton County.
My wife, Vicki,
ran across it in a listing,
and she said,
let's go look at this place.
When we got here,
the gate was chained shut.
The grass in the pastures
were four feet tall,
and clearly,
no one was living here.
I asked my realtor, why is
there no one living here?
This is a very desirable
part of town.
He said,
do you remember the case?
[dramatic music]
And I said,
what case was that?
He said, the serial killer case
of Herb Baumeister.
♪
REPORTER 1: Sheriff's
detectives have named
49-year-old Herbert Baumeister
the chief suspect
in the disappearance
of several men
with ties
to the gay community.
- At that point,
I asked Vicki, my wife,
should we just leave now?
And she said,
well, let's look at it.
[tense music]
♪
Fox Hollow Farm,
it was initially
about 18.5 acres,
with a house,
two horse barns,
and a large car garage.
♪
The house was
a beautiful construction.
It's an English Tudor.
There was some
initial hesitancy.
Our sons were early teens.
But we did have a Catholic
priest bless the property,
because we're Catholic.
And we did have an Indian
shaman bless the land,
and we decided that, you know,
the house didn't do anything,
and it had good bones,
if you will.
This file is probably
16, 17 years' worth
of everything related
to this case.
I have the property history,
pages and pages
of magazine articles,
newspaper articles,
all written about the farm.
We have crime scene photos
that the Sheriff's Department
had given me.
These are photos that were
taken back at the start
of the initial investigation
in 1996.
This is the entrance
to the farm.
These are off the back patio,
facing the woods.
And then these are just
photos of the basement
as it was at the time.
These are the mannequins.
♪
Here's a handwritten note,
written in Herb's handwriting,
about the operation of
the four-wheel-drive system
on a particular car
that he had.
Shows he's very
detail oriented,
wanted to know
exactly how to use it.
♪
I do have a few personal items
that were from
Herb's collection.
When we first moved in,
I was looking for
some marble faucet handles
that were missing,
and I didn't find some
like I needed.
I found the actual
marble faucets
taken from this house
on a website
called murderauction.com.
This website sells things
from serial killers,
and things were taken
from this house
and being sold.
- It's probably just
a part of a personality
that people are interested in.
And I won't say
they worship them,
but they have a fascination
with this dark side of people.
"Worship" might be
a strong word.
But they--they--
anyone that wants
to own something
that a serial killer owned,
I don't know
what you would call it
other than very interested--
very interested.
[eerie music]
♪
I did write a book in 2019
called "The Horrors
of Fox Hollow Farm."
♪
NARRATOR:
Llewellyn Publications
presents "The Horrors
of Fox Hollow Farm:
"Unraveling
the History and Hauntings
of a Serial Killer's Home,"
by Richard Estep
with Robert Graves.
Introduction:
Robert Graves has become
something of a student
of Herb Baumeister,
both the man and the murderer.
It is easy to see why.
What exactly is it
that drives a man
to commit the kind of
atrocities that Herb did?
Are monsters born,
or are they made?
- The pool room's original.
It's just like it was
when Baumeister was here.
He would bring them up here,
and then he would tell him
what he was into,
which was erotic asphyxia.
And ultimately,
they would be killed.
And then he would take them
out to the woods
behind the house.
- We use the pool, yes.
NARRATOR: While some might
find this fascination
with the serial killer
to be macabre
and a little off-putting,
it must be pointed out
that Rob is surrounded
by reminders
of what happened there
on a daily basis.
He sleeps in the same room
as Herb did.
He uses the same bathroom
and bathtub, for that matter.
It would be highly unusual
if Rob didn't want
to delve deeper
into the mind of the man
in whose footsteps
he walks every day.
[eerie music]
♪
GRAVES: Over the years,
we have found bones.
♪
This is an area,
right after we moved in,
that we found a--a femur.
It was pretty obvious that
it was probably human,
and I took that bone down
to the University of Annapolis,
and they did certainly
identify it
as a left femoral shaft
that had been on the ground
about 15 years.
I believe there are still
remains on the property.
This is an area
where I think some more
search should take place.
NARRATOR:
For his part, Rob believes
that Baumeister's ghost
still haunts his former home.
He is remarkably
unperturbed by the idea,
reasoning that as long
as Herb keeps to himself
and doesn't mess
with his family,
then no harm is being done.
GRAVES: I like mysteries.
And, you know,
when anyone dies,
there's always a mystery
of how it happened,
why it happened.
You know, it's always
been speculated
that he might have had
an accomplice,
because this is--you know,
as busy as he was,
it would be very hard
to do by yourself.
But no, I have no idea
who that is.
- The Baumeister case
has always nagged at me
because I've always
felt like something
was never solved with it.
[tense music]
I was completely engrossed
in it for two years
when the story broke,
and trying to figure out
what was going on,
to tell the story.
And Hamilton County,
I think they botched the case.
They let a killer get away.
There was never an arrest
warrant issued for Herb,
and then
Herb committed suicide.
♪
Would he have given us
answers?
I don't know.
But I know family members
who sure
would have liked
the opportunity
to have had questions asked.
I think the fact that
the current
Hamilton County coroner
decided, hey,
let's reopen this
and let's see if we can solve
more of this case,
I commend him
for having the courage
to do what he's doing.
JELLISON: Identifying these
victims is important,
not only to me to do my job,
but should be important
to law enforcement as well,
because every one
of those people tell a story.
TAYLOR: I've got about
300 missing men here.
I printed all these out to see
if we could find family
to DNA swab,
to compare the DNA that
we have on file versus families
of these missing people.
What Jeff is doing is awesome.
He's getting answers
for these families.
He's getting--
putting names to these--
to these men that were missing.
I love working for people
that try this hard.
- All right.
All right, open up for me.
Two, three, four, OK.
I'm gonna seal this up,
and we'll get them
processed for you, OK?
Do you know his middle name,
by chance?
FALLS: Douglas.
- Douglas.
FALLS: And he's a junior.
PRIVETT: He's a junior?
LEE: Correct.
PRIVETT: And then about
when was the last time
that you saw him?
- July of '93.
FALLS: '93, '94.
- July of '93? OK.
[soft music]
- When he went missing,
he was 20.
Richie was. Yeah.
All right, you have
a good afternoon.
PRIVETT: You do the same.
FALLS: All right.
♪
I just want all of him,
you know,
all I can have of him.
- There he is.
That's you and him.
You guys liked each other
sometimes.
- Yeah, sometimes.
[chuckles]
Richie and I were only,
like, 14 months apart.
We were in the same
classes together,
same school, same choir.
There's the '80s hair.
[chuckling]
He was my best friend.
Yeah, we were like this.
Yeah.
TINSLEY: That's a good picture.
FALLS: That was a '90s picture
right there, early '90s.
He was just eccentric,
in a way.
He was funny,
and he was very smart.
TINSLEY: Look at his pants.
FALLS: Spandex.
[laughing]
My brother never came right
out and said that he was gay.
I wish he would have
shared that with me.
You know, I loved him
no matter what he was.
He just wanted
to belong somewhere.
That was the last time
I saw him,
in that picture where he's
dressed up here in the corner.
I was coming out of my parents'
home, and he was coming in.
He pulled up.
He was with a good-looking guy,
you know?
And we kind of hi and bye.
You know, we didn't--you know,
love you, it's good to see you.
And that was the last time
I ever saw him.
[tense music]
♪
REPORTER 2: It took days
to unearth the bones,
but it took months
to identify the victims
found on a rolling horse farm
in Southern Hamilton County.
Sheriff's investigators
identified four victims,
all young
to middle-aged males.
They include 29-year-old
Steven Hale of Indianapolis,
36-year-old Roger Goodlet,
35-year-old Manuel Resendez
of Lafayette,
and 23-year-old Richard D.
Hamilton of Indianapolis.
♪
FALLS: My mom got a phone call
to pick his remains up,
and we collected
our brown bag of bones.
We had a femur bone,
a rib bone, and some teeth,
and we buried it
in a baby casket.
♪
This wound has not been
closed for me.
I don't believe that this case
got enough attention.
I think there could have been
a lot more done.
Herbert Baumeister,
he was never even questioned.
♪
MILLIGAN: What was
Baumeister's motive?
He didn't know these guys.
They were already engaged
in consensual activity.
Why the killing?
[dramatic music]
GRAVES: I know several
people here in Indianapolis
that knew Herb personally.
The name Weird Herb came up
a couple of times.
♪
REPORTER 3: Herb Baumeister
of Carmel saw it all.
A raccoon, which met
its demise on the yellow line,
became one with the paint.
GRAVES:
Back in the early '90s,
when Herb lived here
at the farm,
he was out driving around
with his son,
and he came across
a dead raccoon
on the side of the road.
And at the same time,
the Department
of Transportation
was restriping the area.
[camera shutter clicking]
GRAVES: And at the same time,
in that interview,
over his right shoulder
about 200 yards,
was the mulch pile where
he had deposited bodies.
[eerie music]
♪
MUSALL: He was fascinated
with decaying animals.
There was a story about
how he put a dead crow
on his teacher's desk.
♪
Herb is the oldest
of four kids.
His dad was a well-respected
anesthesiologist
in Indianapolis,
and his mom was, I think,
very much a socialite.
♪
And Herb seemed to be
a smart kid who
was kind of a loner.
But his grades were
good enough.
He got into
Indiana University
[cheering]
Even though he flunked out
multiple times.
♪
About six months after
Julie and Herb were married,
Herb, apparently, was
majorly depressed,
and his dad had him committed
to a mental institution
for about 50 days.
♪
Later, around 1988,
Herb and Julie decided
they were going to
go into business together.
So they opened thrift stores,
and it was called Sav-A-Lot.
♪
They opened the first store.
Then they opened
a second store.
And by the early 1990s,
it was very successful.
At the high point,
they were making around
$300,000 from the store.
- Herb did do a lot of things
that were odd.
[upbeat music]
Herb and Julie
and my husband and myself,
we would socialize,
and danced.
And we went to see
Neil Diamond together.
♪
And Herb was
impeccably dressed,
very professional,
very articulate,
very hardworking.
The Baumeisters looked like
a perfectly normal family.
You'd never suspect
anything was amiss.
[eerie music]
♪
I worked for Herb and Julie
at the thrift store
during the 1980s and '90s.
♪
He had a skeleton hanging on
the back of his office door.
One time,
called me into his office,
and he says, come here,
I want show you something.
♪
He opens this one
particular drawer.
He says, look.
The file cabinet drawer had
rotting food in it.
I said, what are you
doing with that?
Get rid of that.
Oh, but isn't it interesting?
I said, no.
Get rid of it.
♪
And there were
all these mannequins.
Julie used a lot of them
in the displays
♪
But there were a lot of them
in the office,
and the mannequins were
in the bathroom.
He would not move them.
I said, Herb, there's too much.
We can't walk.
He said, they're fine.
You can work around them.
They're not in the way.
I said, they are in the way.
So I don't know what the deal
was with mannequins,
but he liked them.
- I do believe in evil.
I seen it.
TINSLEY: Here's the article
from back then.
It says,
"Sister of 20-year-old wanderer
"whose bones were found
on the estate
"once worked for suspect.
"As it turns out,
her former boss,
"Herbert Baumeister,
is a suspect
in her brother's
disappearance."
[tense music]
- I worked for
Herbert Baumeister
at the Sav-A-Lot store.
I would fold the clothes,
hang them.
He would mark the clothes.
I was working with Baumeister
when my brother went missing.
Yeah.
Maybe 4 feet away every day,
working with him.
And to know that
I took a paycheck from him,
not knowing?
Man, that's guilt. Yeah.
- Well, there was one incident
that was really traumatic,
I thought.
We were working.
There was a lot of furniture.
It wasn't selling.
He was mad about it.
I suggested, why don't you
lower the price?
No, it's worth that.
So he just started throwing
every single thing.
Dining room tables
and chairs--
every single thing,
he threw in that compactor
where all the trash went.
[tense music]
The customers were just frozen
in place watching him do this.
He turned around, and he
walked out that front door,
and then everybody went back
to doing what they were doing.
When I was told of what had
surfaced on his property,
you know, it was like
shock at first.
But then it's like, oh, wow,
yeah, not surprised.
♪
[birds chirping]
[tense music]
♪
GRAVES: Over the years,
I get a lot of requests
for people to come here--
television productions, documentaries.
♪
We've had some folks come here
that have felt maybe uneasy,
that there's a presence here
that you wouldn't have
somewhere else.
We have participated
in a few paranormal shows.
PARANORMAL INVESTIGATOR 1:
Is there someone
trying to enter through here?
PARANORMAL INVESTIGATOR 2:
Some indications that
there may have been some
videotaping going on.
- A lot of people just want
to see where things happen.
GRAVES: You might describe it
like maybe in Hollywood,
they want to see
where the movie stars live.
Well, a lot of people want to
see where true crime happened.
CUSTOMER: Excuse me.
GERLACH: Yes.
CUSTOMER: I was wondering
if you could
suggest some wine pairings.
We're having steak for dinner.
- Oh, sure. Absolutely.
In fact, right here
is a Cabernet.
- Oh, I love Cab.
- It's bold, and I think
you would really enjoy this
with your steak.
I definitely have felt
the presence of evil.
Camera one.
WALKER: Charged.
GERLACH: Charger's in there?
- Charger's here.
- Camera two?
- I think we're good.
Might have to change
batteries on that.
Nope, we're good.
GERLACH: OK, awesome.
WALKER:
I am a real estate agent.
Is there anything you're hoping
to find inside this home?
- Anything for you?
- Um, oh, the backyard.
- Is it fenced?
- Backyard's fully fenced,
so all your little
furry friends will be safe.
- That's amazing.
- Great.
WALKER: But there's always
been something
about the sense of the unknown
and the darkness
of the human soul
that I really love.
♪
There is a lot of darkness
that we are not aware of.
- Dowsing rods.
WALKER: Dowsing rods.
- Shadow detectors.
WALKER: Shadow detectors.
GERLACH: Our paranormal
investigation team
is called
Paranormal Consequences.
[eerie music]
I really feel like
ghosts aren't scary.
So is anybody in here
with us right now?
If you are, please come
near one of these meters.
I mean, in reality,
energy doesn't dissipate.
It just changes form.
- If you see the light,
you are free
to go to the light.
No one here can stop you.
Is that a maybe yes?
That's a--oh, OK.
GERLACH: After several years
of filming our investigation
into paranormal stuff,
Russ wanted to do
this full feature film.
He kept poking at me.
Come on, Jane.
Did you hear that?
- Over there?
- Yeah.
And then I was thinking,
what else can we do?
Something different.
- Signing off until next time.
GERLACH: We start focusing
on Fox Hollow.
I thought maybe
we could do a documentary.
WALKER: What I knew about
the murders at Fox Hollow
was pretty much
your bare-bones basics.
REPORTER 4: The Hamilton
County businessman
killed himself in 1996
and is believed to be
responsible
for some 25 murders.
WALKER: I knew that there was
mass murder at this farm,
and it was gay centered.
♪
I think the thing
that shocked me the most was,
this is my community,
and I don't really hear
people talk about it.
And you start naming
some of those places
where Herb Baumeister
had gone--
we still go to Greg's,
which is also known
as Our Place.
We used to go to the 501.
These are our
stomping grounds.
Like, these are
our safe places where,
back in the '90s,
you're now telling me
we were being picked up
and essentially taken
to be murdered.
This happened in our backyard.
You just have to wonder,
how did this one man do
all of this?
[tense music]
♪
GERLACH: Russ and I had
reached out to Rob Graves
to see if we could do some
filming at Fox Hollow Farm.
- We need to go deeper.
We need to investigate further.
[indistinct chatter]
- OK.
WALKER: With Robert Graves,
I think I was shocked
how much he actually wanted
to let us in
and give us insight.
- Mark, actually,
the guy that got away,
this is from him firsthand.
He said that he met
the killer in a bar
in downtown Indianapolis,
invited him up to--for a swim.
- When we were filming, he--
he brought up Mark Goodyear.
[ominous music]
GRAVES:
During their initial meeting,
Herb had told him
what he was into,
which was the erotic asphyxia.
Mark said that
he agreed to this
and that Herb had tried
to choke him.
Mark sort of faked passing out
and came back to in the water
and looked right at Herb
and said, you know,
you're hurting people,
and I'm gonna go to the police.
GRAVES: Mark was questioned
extensively,
and he told the police,
there's a man in Hamilton
County strangling people.
- Mark's story was that
he met Herb one time.
- Mark is the one responsible
for bringing the authorities
to the farm.
And I know he doesn't like
the title of hero,
but he--he really put a stop
to what could have gone on
for a very long time.
[tense music]
I met Mark about 10 years ago.
♪
We had Mark up to the farm,
and he showed us around
and showed us
what he remembered.
♪
Mark is a very likable person,
a masterful storyteller.
♪
Not many people live to tell
about their involvement
with a serial killer.
♪
GERLACH:
After we completed filming,
Rob suggested we get ahold
of Mark Goodyear.
He said that Mark is the only
person that would have
the true story about
Fox Hollow and the murders
and what happened there.
So what I did was
I texted him.
[notifications dinging]
♪
And then he called.
[phone ringing]
And then Mark Goodyear told me
he actually dated
Herb Baumeister for two years.
[ominous music]
♪
- The story that he once told
about how he got away
wasn't true.
♪
So the story was changing.
It wasn't he got away.
♪
We talked for about
30 minutes,
and then he started texting,
one after the other
after the other.
And he said that
he was not involved,
said that he did not
see anything
[notifications dinging]
♪
But that Herb told him details
about what he had done
with the victims.
♪
And he said that
Herb told him that
he would use a tool
to pull the teeth out
of the skulls of the victims
and toss them down the hall
like Tic Tacs.
♪
It was sickening to think
that any of those details
were true.
♪
WALKER: This is getting deeper
than either one of us
initially thought
we were gonna go.
Everything just became bigger.
- Down the rabbit hole.
♪
FALLS: Yeah.
TINSLEY: Wanna read it?
FALLS: Right there, yeah.
TINSLEY: Richard D. Hamilton,
born May 5, 1973,
passed away July 31, 1993.
FALLS: It wasn't an accurate
date, but it's one--
- That's when we knew about it.
- Yeah.
[tense music]
♪
I don't know him personally,
but Mark Goodyear
showed up at my
brother's funeral,
and he hugged my mother.
She said it just sent chills
down her spine.
♪
My understanding was
that Mark Goodyear was
the only one that got away.
Out of all these young men,
he was the only one.
♪
It was nothing
but pitch black.
I don't know how he ever
made it out of there.
♪
And when I worked
for Herbert Baumeister
at the Sav-A-Lot,
Herbert was just very strange.
There's no way
Herbert did this by himself.
No way. No way.
He wasn't very good
at communicating.
What'd he say to my brother
to get him in that car?
Or was it somebody
friended my brother
and got him to go
to the Baumeister home
for a party?
♪
I think somebody lured
my brother
to the Baumeister home
for Herbert Baumeister.
♪
I just feel that.
I feel it in my gut.
♪
GERLACH:
At the very beginning,
when I started
communicating with Mark,
Russ and I strongly felt like
we had to go tell
the authorities.
WALKER: Perfect.
- I do, yeah.
My door has to be open
to anyone that walks through it
with a legitimate request,
and you never know
what you're gonna learn.
You might learn something
from that conversation.
[tense music]
♪
JELLISON: In one phone call,
Mark Goodyear said
that he lied to the police
so that they could get
their search warrant
for Fox Hollow Farms.
GOODYEAR: Thank you.
JELLISON:
So how do you go from
being a victim
to Goodyear admitting
that he hung out
with Baumeister?
[notifications dinging]
And as I got into
some of the text messages,
it's my opinion
there's more to Mark Goodyear
than just being a survivor.
He knew too much.
[notifications dinging]
♪
You know,
you're asking yourself,
is he fabricating
this information
that he's providing?
[tense music]
♪
WALKER:
We set off to film
out at Fox Hollow
with Mark Goodyear.
GURLACH:
We had discussed what we
thought might be important
to bring the story forward.
- We had just pulled up,
and then the floodgate opened.
♪
[car door closing]
GURLACH: I'm usually
the other hand, but
GURLACH: Yep.
Mark did not want
to have his face shown,
so we respected that.
WALKER: OK, if we find
just a little further.
GERLACH: This is the part.
WALKER: OK.
WALKER:
Bones in a big burn pile.
GERLACH: And then being able
to see it from that window,
and it was dark.
WALKER: Shouldn't that
have been a tipping point?
Get out of the house.
You're in danger.
GERLACH: And yet he stayed.
It's like,
you could be the hero.
Why do you sound so suspicious?
I mean, at least once a week
I asked him that.
WALKER: I don't get it.
- I don't either.
I mean, one day,
I believe he's part of this,
and then another day
I think that
he's just making stories up.
I--it goes
back and forth always.
I've been talking to Mark
for over a year.
He's a storyteller.
He tells all kinds of stories.
He says things in these riddles
that I don't even understand.
This is one of the riddles
that Mark has sent me.
"I am not a victim.
"I was never attacked.
"I am not a murderer.
"Exactly what am I?
"Tell me what I am.
"Not an accomplice,
not a victim,
"never attacked.
What am I?"
GOODYEAR: OK, then.
GOODYEAR: Yes, uh-huh.
[indistinct chatter]
- I mean, he's told me
things like,
uh, he had seen--
you know, he had seen
some bodies--
he'd seen some bodies here.
I mean, that's--
that's not good.
That's--that's not good.
I mean, to say that,
I mean, I--
oh, what did he say?
What can--how can I say it so
it doesn't sound so terrible?
Um
uh, Mark
♪
um, I--I don't know, Alex.
I don't know
what to say about this.
I don't know how to say it.
- Well, I think
[tense music]
Uh, I--
I don't--I don't--
Alex, I don't know
how to say it without--
without pointing
the finger at him.
GERLACH: All right.
GERLACH: OK.
I'm not sure how much
of what Mark says I believe.
I began to question
how much was true.
[sighing]
"I got a call
from Herb Baumeister
last November 29th
at my office."
[suspenseful music]
♪
"He said that he had
gotten involved with
"somebody named Mark Goodyear,
and he said that this guy was
a really bad dude"--
holy shit--
"And was
a real dangerous guy"
♪
"And that he hoped
that Mark Goodyear
wouldn't come after
his family."
♪
"And he's been
kind of stalking me.
"So now that Mr. Baumeister is
out of the picture,
"I guess I have some concerns
about whatever this
Mark Goodyear person is."
So there is some information
about Goodyear.
[sighs]
I'm very uncomfortable
with this.
- That he was
more likely involved
than I had ever thought.
This is more proof
of his involvement.
Is he trying to tell people
that he's guilty?
Is this his way of trying
to tell someone,
and he knew, maybe,
that I wasn't gonna give up?
Maybe that's
what he was trying to do.
I don't know.
But it seems that way now.
[dramatic music]
GURLACH:
Mark had a really crazy story.
MILLIGAN: Goodyear was
leaving stuff out.
He was withholding stuff.
- I don't understand why he
didn't just walk out the door.
- Something's not right.
[dramatic music]
♪
[dramatic music]
♪
[indistinct chatter]
[phone ringing]
TAYLOR:
What I hate in true crime
are the reenactments
that are very inaccurate.
But then what I love about
true crime is the ending,
when they put all
the puzzle pieces together.
That's the best part.
- You gotta keep going.
It's like what Jeff's doing.
You gotta keep going
till it's done.
[birds chirping]
[tense music]
♪
JELLISON:
If these trees could talk,
what would they tell us?
♪
The criminal investigation
appeared to have ended
when Herb Baumeister
killed himself.
♪
Do I believe that there was
more to this investigation
than what came out?
Yes.
♪
MUSALL: Herb Baumeister's
suicide ended his life,
but it didn't end the story.
It just caused
even more questions.
♪
MILLIGAN: Did he have help?
Was there a partner in crime?
♪
JELLISON:
I went to Fox Hollow Farms
with members of the FBI.
It is believed that
Herb Baumeister murdered
these people in his pool area.
When we were standing there,
an FBI agent looked at me
and said, how does one man
drag all of these people
from the pool house 150,
200 yards back into the woods?
♪
And they found
10,000 human remains
at Fox Hollow Farm.
How does one man do this?
I think there's a lot of people
asking that question.
MUSALL: The biggest mystery
after almost 30 years--
was there an accomplice?
JELLISON: If he did
what law enforcement alleges
that he did, I think
it would have been difficult
for him to do it alone.
[dramatic music]
♪
[tense music]
♪
- I think the property
will always be
Herb Baumeister's place.
And you have to think about
how this could affect you,
living in a house where so many
people had been killed.
♪
You know, my given name
is Robert,
but I've always gone by Rob.
And then, of course,
my last name just happens
to be Graves.
We've never put it
on the mailbox,
but there's some irony
in the fact that
if you say it together,
you're "robbing graves."
♪
I personally didn't have
any interest in serial killers
until I bought a house that
was owned by a serial killer.
He hasn't stood this still
in years for anything.
- You think it's
a full bucket of food?
GRAVES: We were looking
for a property
to keep horses
in Hamilton County.
My wife, Vicki,
ran across it in a listing,
and she said,
let's go look at this place.
When we got here,
the gate was chained shut.
The grass in the pastures
were four feet tall,
and clearly,
no one was living here.
I asked my realtor, why is
there no one living here?
This is a very desirable
part of town.
He said,
do you remember the case?
[dramatic music]
And I said,
what case was that?
He said, the serial killer case
of Herb Baumeister.
♪
REPORTER 1: Sheriff's
detectives have named
49-year-old Herbert Baumeister
the chief suspect
in the disappearance
of several men
with ties
to the gay community.
- At that point,
I asked Vicki, my wife,
should we just leave now?
And she said,
well, let's look at it.
[tense music]
♪
Fox Hollow Farm,
it was initially
about 18.5 acres,
with a house,
two horse barns,
and a large car garage.
♪
The house was
a beautiful construction.
It's an English Tudor.
There was some
initial hesitancy.
Our sons were early teens.
But we did have a Catholic
priest bless the property,
because we're Catholic.
And we did have an Indian
shaman bless the land,
and we decided that, you know,
the house didn't do anything,
and it had good bones,
if you will.
This file is probably
16, 17 years' worth
of everything related
to this case.
I have the property history,
pages and pages
of magazine articles,
newspaper articles,
all written about the farm.
We have crime scene photos
that the Sheriff's Department
had given me.
These are photos that were
taken back at the start
of the initial investigation
in 1996.
This is the entrance
to the farm.
These are off the back patio,
facing the woods.
And then these are just
photos of the basement
as it was at the time.
These are the mannequins.
♪
Here's a handwritten note,
written in Herb's handwriting,
about the operation of
the four-wheel-drive system
on a particular car
that he had.
Shows he's very
detail oriented,
wanted to know
exactly how to use it.
♪
I do have a few personal items
that were from
Herb's collection.
When we first moved in,
I was looking for
some marble faucet handles
that were missing,
and I didn't find some
like I needed.
I found the actual
marble faucets
taken from this house
on a website
called murderauction.com.
This website sells things
from serial killers,
and things were taken
from this house
and being sold.
- It's probably just
a part of a personality
that people are interested in.
And I won't say
they worship them,
but they have a fascination
with this dark side of people.
"Worship" might be
a strong word.
But they--they--
anyone that wants
to own something
that a serial killer owned,
I don't know
what you would call it
other than very interested--
very interested.
[eerie music]
♪
I did write a book in 2019
called "The Horrors
of Fox Hollow Farm."
♪
NARRATOR:
Llewellyn Publications
presents "The Horrors
of Fox Hollow Farm:
"Unraveling
the History and Hauntings
of a Serial Killer's Home,"
by Richard Estep
with Robert Graves.
Introduction:
Robert Graves has become
something of a student
of Herb Baumeister,
both the man and the murderer.
It is easy to see why.
What exactly is it
that drives a man
to commit the kind of
atrocities that Herb did?
Are monsters born,
or are they made?
- The pool room's original.
It's just like it was
when Baumeister was here.
He would bring them up here,
and then he would tell him
what he was into,
which was erotic asphyxia.
And ultimately,
they would be killed.
And then he would take them
out to the woods
behind the house.
- We use the pool, yes.
NARRATOR: While some might
find this fascination
with the serial killer
to be macabre
and a little off-putting,
it must be pointed out
that Rob is surrounded
by reminders
of what happened there
on a daily basis.
He sleeps in the same room
as Herb did.
He uses the same bathroom
and bathtub, for that matter.
It would be highly unusual
if Rob didn't want
to delve deeper
into the mind of the man
in whose footsteps
he walks every day.
[eerie music]
♪
GRAVES: Over the years,
we have found bones.
♪
This is an area,
right after we moved in,
that we found a--a femur.
It was pretty obvious that
it was probably human,
and I took that bone down
to the University of Annapolis,
and they did certainly
identify it
as a left femoral shaft
that had been on the ground
about 15 years.
I believe there are still
remains on the property.
This is an area
where I think some more
search should take place.
NARRATOR:
For his part, Rob believes
that Baumeister's ghost
still haunts his former home.
He is remarkably
unperturbed by the idea,
reasoning that as long
as Herb keeps to himself
and doesn't mess
with his family,
then no harm is being done.
GRAVES: I like mysteries.
And, you know,
when anyone dies,
there's always a mystery
of how it happened,
why it happened.
You know, it's always
been speculated
that he might have had
an accomplice,
because this is--you know,
as busy as he was,
it would be very hard
to do by yourself.
But no, I have no idea
who that is.
- The Baumeister case
has always nagged at me
because I've always
felt like something
was never solved with it.
[tense music]
I was completely engrossed
in it for two years
when the story broke,
and trying to figure out
what was going on,
to tell the story.
And Hamilton County,
I think they botched the case.
They let a killer get away.
There was never an arrest
warrant issued for Herb,
and then
Herb committed suicide.
♪
Would he have given us
answers?
I don't know.
But I know family members
who sure
would have liked
the opportunity
to have had questions asked.
I think the fact that
the current
Hamilton County coroner
decided, hey,
let's reopen this
and let's see if we can solve
more of this case,
I commend him
for having the courage
to do what he's doing.
JELLISON: Identifying these
victims is important,
not only to me to do my job,
but should be important
to law enforcement as well,
because every one
of those people tell a story.
TAYLOR: I've got about
300 missing men here.
I printed all these out to see
if we could find family
to DNA swab,
to compare the DNA that
we have on file versus families
of these missing people.
What Jeff is doing is awesome.
He's getting answers
for these families.
He's getting--
putting names to these--
to these men that were missing.
I love working for people
that try this hard.
- All right.
All right, open up for me.
Two, three, four, OK.
I'm gonna seal this up,
and we'll get them
processed for you, OK?
Do you know his middle name,
by chance?
FALLS: Douglas.
- Douglas.
FALLS: And he's a junior.
PRIVETT: He's a junior?
LEE: Correct.
PRIVETT: And then about
when was the last time
that you saw him?
- July of '93.
FALLS: '93, '94.
- July of '93? OK.
[soft music]
- When he went missing,
he was 20.
Richie was. Yeah.
All right, you have
a good afternoon.
PRIVETT: You do the same.
FALLS: All right.
♪
I just want all of him,
you know,
all I can have of him.
- There he is.
That's you and him.
You guys liked each other
sometimes.
- Yeah, sometimes.
[chuckles]
Richie and I were only,
like, 14 months apart.
We were in the same
classes together,
same school, same choir.
There's the '80s hair.
[chuckling]
He was my best friend.
Yeah, we were like this.
Yeah.
TINSLEY: That's a good picture.
FALLS: That was a '90s picture
right there, early '90s.
He was just eccentric,
in a way.
He was funny,
and he was very smart.
TINSLEY: Look at his pants.
FALLS: Spandex.
[laughing]
My brother never came right
out and said that he was gay.
I wish he would have
shared that with me.
You know, I loved him
no matter what he was.
He just wanted
to belong somewhere.
That was the last time
I saw him,
in that picture where he's
dressed up here in the corner.
I was coming out of my parents'
home, and he was coming in.
He pulled up.
He was with a good-looking guy,
you know?
And we kind of hi and bye.
You know, we didn't--you know,
love you, it's good to see you.
And that was the last time
I ever saw him.
[tense music]
♪
REPORTER 2: It took days
to unearth the bones,
but it took months
to identify the victims
found on a rolling horse farm
in Southern Hamilton County.
Sheriff's investigators
identified four victims,
all young
to middle-aged males.
They include 29-year-old
Steven Hale of Indianapolis,
36-year-old Roger Goodlet,
35-year-old Manuel Resendez
of Lafayette,
and 23-year-old Richard D.
Hamilton of Indianapolis.
♪
FALLS: My mom got a phone call
to pick his remains up,
and we collected
our brown bag of bones.
We had a femur bone,
a rib bone, and some teeth,
and we buried it
in a baby casket.
♪
This wound has not been
closed for me.
I don't believe that this case
got enough attention.
I think there could have been
a lot more done.
Herbert Baumeister,
he was never even questioned.
♪
MILLIGAN: What was
Baumeister's motive?
He didn't know these guys.
They were already engaged
in consensual activity.
Why the killing?
[dramatic music]
GRAVES: I know several
people here in Indianapolis
that knew Herb personally.
The name Weird Herb came up
a couple of times.
♪
REPORTER 3: Herb Baumeister
of Carmel saw it all.
A raccoon, which met
its demise on the yellow line,
became one with the paint.
GRAVES:
Back in the early '90s,
when Herb lived here
at the farm,
he was out driving around
with his son,
and he came across
a dead raccoon
on the side of the road.
And at the same time,
the Department
of Transportation
was restriping the area.
[camera shutter clicking]
GRAVES: And at the same time,
in that interview,
over his right shoulder
about 200 yards,
was the mulch pile where
he had deposited bodies.
[eerie music]
♪
MUSALL: He was fascinated
with decaying animals.
There was a story about
how he put a dead crow
on his teacher's desk.
♪
Herb is the oldest
of four kids.
His dad was a well-respected
anesthesiologist
in Indianapolis,
and his mom was, I think,
very much a socialite.
♪
And Herb seemed to be
a smart kid who
was kind of a loner.
But his grades were
good enough.
He got into
Indiana University
[cheering]
Even though he flunked out
multiple times.
♪
About six months after
Julie and Herb were married,
Herb, apparently, was
majorly depressed,
and his dad had him committed
to a mental institution
for about 50 days.
♪
Later, around 1988,
Herb and Julie decided
they were going to
go into business together.
So they opened thrift stores,
and it was called Sav-A-Lot.
♪
They opened the first store.
Then they opened
a second store.
And by the early 1990s,
it was very successful.
At the high point,
they were making around
$300,000 from the store.
- Herb did do a lot of things
that were odd.
[upbeat music]
Herb and Julie
and my husband and myself,
we would socialize,
and danced.
And we went to see
Neil Diamond together.
♪
And Herb was
impeccably dressed,
very professional,
very articulate,
very hardworking.
The Baumeisters looked like
a perfectly normal family.
You'd never suspect
anything was amiss.
[eerie music]
♪
I worked for Herb and Julie
at the thrift store
during the 1980s and '90s.
♪
He had a skeleton hanging on
the back of his office door.
One time,
called me into his office,
and he says, come here,
I want show you something.
♪
He opens this one
particular drawer.
He says, look.
The file cabinet drawer had
rotting food in it.
I said, what are you
doing with that?
Get rid of that.
Oh, but isn't it interesting?
I said, no.
Get rid of it.
♪
And there were
all these mannequins.
Julie used a lot of them
in the displays
♪
But there were a lot of them
in the office,
and the mannequins were
in the bathroom.
He would not move them.
I said, Herb, there's too much.
We can't walk.
He said, they're fine.
You can work around them.
They're not in the way.
I said, they are in the way.
So I don't know what the deal
was with mannequins,
but he liked them.
- I do believe in evil.
I seen it.
TINSLEY: Here's the article
from back then.
It says,
"Sister of 20-year-old wanderer
"whose bones were found
on the estate
"once worked for suspect.
"As it turns out,
her former boss,
"Herbert Baumeister,
is a suspect
in her brother's
disappearance."
[tense music]
- I worked for
Herbert Baumeister
at the Sav-A-Lot store.
I would fold the clothes,
hang them.
He would mark the clothes.
I was working with Baumeister
when my brother went missing.
Yeah.
Maybe 4 feet away every day,
working with him.
And to know that
I took a paycheck from him,
not knowing?
Man, that's guilt. Yeah.
- Well, there was one incident
that was really traumatic,
I thought.
We were working.
There was a lot of furniture.
It wasn't selling.
He was mad about it.
I suggested, why don't you
lower the price?
No, it's worth that.
So he just started throwing
every single thing.
Dining room tables
and chairs--
every single thing,
he threw in that compactor
where all the trash went.
[tense music]
The customers were just frozen
in place watching him do this.
He turned around, and he
walked out that front door,
and then everybody went back
to doing what they were doing.
When I was told of what had
surfaced on his property,
you know, it was like
shock at first.
But then it's like, oh, wow,
yeah, not surprised.
♪
[birds chirping]
[tense music]
♪
GRAVES: Over the years,
I get a lot of requests
for people to come here--
television productions, documentaries.
♪
We've had some folks come here
that have felt maybe uneasy,
that there's a presence here
that you wouldn't have
somewhere else.
We have participated
in a few paranormal shows.
PARANORMAL INVESTIGATOR 1:
Is there someone
trying to enter through here?
PARANORMAL INVESTIGATOR 2:
Some indications that
there may have been some
videotaping going on.
- A lot of people just want
to see where things happen.
GRAVES: You might describe it
like maybe in Hollywood,
they want to see
where the movie stars live.
Well, a lot of people want to
see where true crime happened.
CUSTOMER: Excuse me.
GERLACH: Yes.
CUSTOMER: I was wondering
if you could
suggest some wine pairings.
We're having steak for dinner.
- Oh, sure. Absolutely.
In fact, right here
is a Cabernet.
- Oh, I love Cab.
- It's bold, and I think
you would really enjoy this
with your steak.
I definitely have felt
the presence of evil.
Camera one.
WALKER: Charged.
GERLACH: Charger's in there?
- Charger's here.
- Camera two?
- I think we're good.
Might have to change
batteries on that.
Nope, we're good.
GERLACH: OK, awesome.
WALKER:
I am a real estate agent.
Is there anything you're hoping
to find inside this home?
- Anything for you?
- Um, oh, the backyard.
- Is it fenced?
- Backyard's fully fenced,
so all your little
furry friends will be safe.
- That's amazing.
- Great.
WALKER: But there's always
been something
about the sense of the unknown
and the darkness
of the human soul
that I really love.
♪
There is a lot of darkness
that we are not aware of.
- Dowsing rods.
WALKER: Dowsing rods.
- Shadow detectors.
WALKER: Shadow detectors.
GERLACH: Our paranormal
investigation team
is called
Paranormal Consequences.
[eerie music]
I really feel like
ghosts aren't scary.
So is anybody in here
with us right now?
If you are, please come
near one of these meters.
I mean, in reality,
energy doesn't dissipate.
It just changes form.
- If you see the light,
you are free
to go to the light.
No one here can stop you.
Is that a maybe yes?
That's a--oh, OK.
GERLACH: After several years
of filming our investigation
into paranormal stuff,
Russ wanted to do
this full feature film.
He kept poking at me.
Come on, Jane.
Did you hear that?
- Over there?
- Yeah.
And then I was thinking,
what else can we do?
Something different.
- Signing off until next time.
GERLACH: We start focusing
on Fox Hollow.
I thought maybe
we could do a documentary.
WALKER: What I knew about
the murders at Fox Hollow
was pretty much
your bare-bones basics.
REPORTER 4: The Hamilton
County businessman
killed himself in 1996
and is believed to be
responsible
for some 25 murders.
WALKER: I knew that there was
mass murder at this farm,
and it was gay centered.
♪
I think the thing
that shocked me the most was,
this is my community,
and I don't really hear
people talk about it.
And you start naming
some of those places
where Herb Baumeister
had gone--
we still go to Greg's,
which is also known
as Our Place.
We used to go to the 501.
These are our
stomping grounds.
Like, these are
our safe places where,
back in the '90s,
you're now telling me
we were being picked up
and essentially taken
to be murdered.
This happened in our backyard.
You just have to wonder,
how did this one man do
all of this?
[tense music]
♪
GERLACH: Russ and I had
reached out to Rob Graves
to see if we could do some
filming at Fox Hollow Farm.
- We need to go deeper.
We need to investigate further.
[indistinct chatter]
- OK.
WALKER: With Robert Graves,
I think I was shocked
how much he actually wanted
to let us in
and give us insight.
- Mark, actually,
the guy that got away,
this is from him firsthand.
He said that he met
the killer in a bar
in downtown Indianapolis,
invited him up to--for a swim.
- When we were filming, he--
he brought up Mark Goodyear.
[ominous music]
GRAVES:
During their initial meeting,
Herb had told him
what he was into,
which was the erotic asphyxia.
Mark said that
he agreed to this
and that Herb had tried
to choke him.
Mark sort of faked passing out
and came back to in the water
and looked right at Herb
and said, you know,
you're hurting people,
and I'm gonna go to the police.
GRAVES: Mark was questioned
extensively,
and he told the police,
there's a man in Hamilton
County strangling people.
- Mark's story was that
he met Herb one time.
- Mark is the one responsible
for bringing the authorities
to the farm.
And I know he doesn't like
the title of hero,
but he--he really put a stop
to what could have gone on
for a very long time.
[tense music]
I met Mark about 10 years ago.
♪
We had Mark up to the farm,
and he showed us around
and showed us
what he remembered.
♪
Mark is a very likable person,
a masterful storyteller.
♪
Not many people live to tell
about their involvement
with a serial killer.
♪
GERLACH:
After we completed filming,
Rob suggested we get ahold
of Mark Goodyear.
He said that Mark is the only
person that would have
the true story about
Fox Hollow and the murders
and what happened there.
So what I did was
I texted him.
[notifications dinging]
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And then he called.
[phone ringing]
And then Mark Goodyear told me
he actually dated
Herb Baumeister for two years.
[ominous music]
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- The story that he once told
about how he got away
wasn't true.
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So the story was changing.
It wasn't he got away.
♪
We talked for about
30 minutes,
and then he started texting,
one after the other
after the other.
And he said that
he was not involved,
said that he did not
see anything
[notifications dinging]
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But that Herb told him details
about what he had done
with the victims.
♪
And he said that
Herb told him that
he would use a tool
to pull the teeth out
of the skulls of the victims
and toss them down the hall
like Tic Tacs.
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It was sickening to think
that any of those details
were true.
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WALKER: This is getting deeper
than either one of us
initially thought
we were gonna go.
Everything just became bigger.
- Down the rabbit hole.
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FALLS: Yeah.
TINSLEY: Wanna read it?
FALLS: Right there, yeah.
TINSLEY: Richard D. Hamilton,
born May 5, 1973,
passed away July 31, 1993.
FALLS: It wasn't an accurate
date, but it's one--
- That's when we knew about it.
- Yeah.
[tense music]
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I don't know him personally,
but Mark Goodyear
showed up at my
brother's funeral,
and he hugged my mother.
She said it just sent chills
down her spine.
♪
My understanding was
that Mark Goodyear was
the only one that got away.
Out of all these young men,
he was the only one.
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It was nothing
but pitch black.
I don't know how he ever
made it out of there.
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And when I worked
for Herbert Baumeister
at the Sav-A-Lot,
Herbert was just very strange.
There's no way
Herbert did this by himself.
No way. No way.
He wasn't very good
at communicating.
What'd he say to my brother
to get him in that car?
Or was it somebody
friended my brother
and got him to go
to the Baumeister home
for a party?
♪
I think somebody lured
my brother
to the Baumeister home
for Herbert Baumeister.
♪
I just feel that.
I feel it in my gut.
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GERLACH:
At the very beginning,
when I started
communicating with Mark,
Russ and I strongly felt like
we had to go tell
the authorities.
WALKER: Perfect.
- I do, yeah.
My door has to be open
to anyone that walks through it
with a legitimate request,
and you never know
what you're gonna learn.
You might learn something
from that conversation.
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JELLISON: In one phone call,
Mark Goodyear said
that he lied to the police
so that they could get
their search warrant
for Fox Hollow Farms.
GOODYEAR: Thank you.
JELLISON:
So how do you go from
being a victim
to Goodyear admitting
that he hung out
with Baumeister?
[notifications dinging]
And as I got into
some of the text messages,
it's my opinion
there's more to Mark Goodyear
than just being a survivor.
He knew too much.
[notifications dinging]
♪
You know,
you're asking yourself,
is he fabricating
this information
that he's providing?
[tense music]
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WALKER:
We set off to film
out at Fox Hollow
with Mark Goodyear.
GURLACH:
We had discussed what we
thought might be important
to bring the story forward.
- We had just pulled up,
and then the floodgate opened.
♪
[car door closing]
GURLACH: I'm usually
the other hand, but
GURLACH: Yep.
Mark did not want
to have his face shown,
so we respected that.
WALKER: OK, if we find
just a little further.
GERLACH: This is the part.
WALKER: OK.
WALKER:
Bones in a big burn pile.
GERLACH: And then being able
to see it from that window,
and it was dark.
WALKER: Shouldn't that
have been a tipping point?
Get out of the house.
You're in danger.
GERLACH: And yet he stayed.
It's like,
you could be the hero.
Why do you sound so suspicious?
I mean, at least once a week
I asked him that.
WALKER: I don't get it.
- I don't either.
I mean, one day,
I believe he's part of this,
and then another day
I think that
he's just making stories up.
I--it goes
back and forth always.
I've been talking to Mark
for over a year.
He's a storyteller.
He tells all kinds of stories.
He says things in these riddles
that I don't even understand.
This is one of the riddles
that Mark has sent me.
"I am not a victim.
"I was never attacked.
"I am not a murderer.
"Exactly what am I?
"Tell me what I am.
"Not an accomplice,
not a victim,
"never attacked.
What am I?"
GOODYEAR: OK, then.
GOODYEAR: Yes, uh-huh.
[indistinct chatter]
- I mean, he's told me
things like,
uh, he had seen--
you know, he had seen
some bodies--
he'd seen some bodies here.
I mean, that's--
that's not good.
That's--that's not good.
I mean, to say that,
I mean, I--
oh, what did he say?
What can--how can I say it so
it doesn't sound so terrible?
Um
uh, Mark
♪
um, I--I don't know, Alex.
I don't know
what to say about this.
I don't know how to say it.
- Well, I think
[tense music]
Uh, I--
I don't--I don't--
Alex, I don't know
how to say it without--
without pointing
the finger at him.
GERLACH: All right.
GERLACH: OK.
I'm not sure how much
of what Mark says I believe.
I began to question
how much was true.
[sighing]
"I got a call
from Herb Baumeister
last November 29th
at my office."
[suspenseful music]
♪
"He said that he had
gotten involved with
"somebody named Mark Goodyear,
and he said that this guy was
a really bad dude"--
holy shit--
"And was
a real dangerous guy"
♪
"And that he hoped
that Mark Goodyear
wouldn't come after
his family."
♪
"And he's been
kind of stalking me.
"So now that Mr. Baumeister is
out of the picture,
"I guess I have some concerns
about whatever this
Mark Goodyear person is."
So there is some information
about Goodyear.
[sighs]
I'm very uncomfortable
with this.
- That he was
more likely involved
than I had ever thought.
This is more proof
of his involvement.
Is he trying to tell people
that he's guilty?
Is this his way of trying
to tell someone,
and he knew, maybe,
that I wasn't gonna give up?
Maybe that's
what he was trying to do.
I don't know.
But it seems that way now.
[dramatic music]
GURLACH:
Mark had a really crazy story.
MILLIGAN: Goodyear was
leaving stuff out.
He was withholding stuff.
- I don't understand why he
didn't just walk out the door.
- Something's not right.
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