Escape from Area 51: The Hidden Scientific Evolution (2026) Movie Script
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[narrator] Hidden technology,
secret facilities buried
beneath the Nevada desert.
Deals made in the shadows
between governments
and non-human intelligence.
Craft that fly without fuel,
responding to thought
instead of physics.
Souls treated as technology.
A breakaway civilization
living in the future,
while the rest of us
are kept behind.
Pilot and intelligence insider
John Lear
claims he has seen evidence
that would rewrite
human history.
That contact already happened.
That reverse engineering
has changed our world
without our consent.
That humanity's evolution
is being managed in secrecy
by those who fear what we might
do with the truth.
In this investigation,
we explore.
The real purpose of Area 51
and the deeper base
known as S-4.
Alleged agreements
with extraterrestrial visitors.
How consciousness may be the
key to advanced propulsion.
The possibility
that the soul is measurable
and exploitable.
Why disclosure
may already be underway...
silently.
The story you're about to hear
challenges everything
we are allowed to believe.
The question isn't,
are we alone?
It's, who is keeping
the truth from us
and why?
There are places on this earth
where truth cannot breathe.
Where the sky itself
is classified.
And where
the greatest discoveries
humanity has ever made
are intentionally forgotten...
before they can be celebrated.
These are the silent zones...
hidden in deserts,
buried beneath mountains,
disguised in plain sight.
Guarded not by barbed wire,
but by belief.
Because if a secret
is big enough,
you never need to hide it.
You only need to convince
the world that it's impossible.
John Lear's life began
where the known ends
and the unknown begins.
Aviation wasn't a career path,
it was his inheritance.
His father Bill Lear
transformed the sky
for the modern world.
But what he couldn't transform,
he concealed.
Behind every aircraft
the public admired,
there were prototypes the
public could never know
existed.
Behind every innovation,
there was a rumor of something
that went far beyond
innovation.
John came of age
surrounded by doors
that only opened for the elite.
Doors that led
to black laboratories
and ghost runways.
Where the future
of human capability
was not being imagined,
but reverse engineered.
His story
doesn't ask for belief.
It challenges the assumption
that disbelief is rational.
Maybe the world isn't lying
about what is real.
Maybe the world is lying about
what it chooses to reveal.
And if John Lear is correct,
reality is far bigger,
far stranger,
and far more controlled
than any of us
were ever meant to understand.
Bob Oechsler and I've got,
uh, Captain John Lear here.
Piping all, eh, John?
- [John] Hey, that's right.
- Yeah.
We're going to talk today
about, uh, some Area 51 stuff
and your background
and meeting, uh, Bob Lazar.
Of course, the big story of, uh,
I guess, of the decade at least.
I would say so, yeah.
Uh, you-- now, you know,
one of the big questions I think
that's come up, uh,
in my investigations
and inquiries about Bob
and, uh, Gene Huff and that--
that whole entourage...
is it true that you met Bob
before he was assigned
to work out
at, uh, Area 51
on the test site in S-4?
Yeah, absolutely.
When Gene brought him over
to my house,
uh, Bob didn't know anything
about saucers
or care about them.
And it was, uh, Gene's interest
that really, uh--
uh, that really
brought him over to my house.
And Bob kind of just
tagged along for laughs.
And it was probably, you know,
two months before Bob realized
that we may, you know,
h-- have something
of-- of real interest.
Uh, and through
his contacts at, uh,
Los Alamos
National Laboratories,
where he used to live
or where he used to work,
um, he found out
that a lot of the stuff
we were saying was true.
Okay, not-- not from Ed Teller,
but he-- from other sources
at Los Alamos?
That's kind of revelationary.
Yeah, yeah,
a couple of, uh, people
that he worked with, uh,
when he worked there in 1982.
And, uh, when we told him
that, uh, Project Grudge
was a continuing, um,
uh, investigation
and the Air Force
had not canceled Grudge
in 1949, as they said,
uh, he had his friends
check the classified laboratory
at, uh, [indistinct]--
classified, uh, library
at Los Alamos,
and they did find
current Grudge report, 1988.
Well, that's extraordinary.
So, uh,
the direction I'm going
to head with this thing,
uh, I think will...
perhaps point to one
of the possible solutions
to the mystery,
uh, around Bob Lazar
and the-- the whole
test flight program
and-- and the government's,
uh, concerns involving secrecy,
or maybe there's an issue
involving, uh, intentional
release of information,
whether it's, uh, accurate
or not accurate, whatever.
Uh, and I think
a lot of that centers around,
uh, this whole development
of the relationship
between, uh, Bob and Gene Huff
uh, and you.
Now, you--
had you, uh, known Gene
long before Bob
and Gene knew each other,
- or how did that work?
- Well, Gene just called--
Gene just called up one day,
uh, summer of '88,
probably like July,
and wanted
some of my UFO information.
He heard about me, and he was
very interested in it.
And he wanted,
like, copies of tapes
and-- and, uh, material.
And, uh, since
I wasn't, uh, giving
or selling
any of that at that time,
um, uh, we elected--
uh, we made an agreement
where-- he was
a real estate appraiser.
He would appraise my house
in exchange
for these tapes and, uh--
uh, tapes an, uh, documents.
And it was
his friendship with Bob
that-- that kind of
drew Bob into this.
And Bob, like I say,
was in for the laughs.
He didn't believe it
for one minute.
Nothing.
Uh, that--
he thought it was a joke.
He thought the whole thing
was nothing but a joke.
Well, what convinced Bob
to go look?
And now, Bob wasn't looking
for a job in UFOs.
No. Bob was--
Why did he even bother
to contact?
Now, who convinced him that
he should try to get into work?
- Or was this his own idea?
- He convinced himself,
because after, uh,
three or four months
of talking with Gene
and-- and myself,
there's actually two things
that pushed Bob
in the direction of,
"Well, there's enough here
that I want to find out
for myself.
I'm going to go work up there
and see if I can see anything."
And the two things were,
is one that he found that, yes,
Project Grudge did exist.
And the other one was the, uh--
the [indistinct] facility,
- uh, which is supposedly--
- That's over in Los Alamos.
Well, there's one at, uh, S-4
and-- and one at Los Alamos.
But supposedly it was
the electromagnetic
holding facility
- where they kept the aliens.
- Hmm.
And it was designated
[indistinct]
by the, uh-- the guy
who built them, Dr. Eric Wang.
And, uh,
when we told Bob about it,
among other things,
he had his people check on it
and found that, yes,
there was a classified mail stop
at Los Alamos.
- Um, uh--
- Well, explain what that is.
What is an electromagnetic
holding facility
and how is that
capable of holding--
does that hold humans
as well as aliens or--
No, it's something to do
with, uh, the way
we have this one alien,
EBE-2 or 3.
They have to be
in a holding facility
that is
electromagnetically guarded
for either to keep somebody out
or to keep him in.
- I'm not sure what it is.
- Mm-hmm.
But the designation of this
facility was [indistinct].
Okay, and that's
the sole, uh, r-- uh, uh,
purpose of this facility is to--
Is to keep the alien in there.
Keep the alien in there
and perhaps keep--
No, I've heard stories
that, uh, the aliens,
uh, could, uh,
transport themselves, uh, out.
I don't know
whether that's true or not.
I've heard stories
that they can disappear.
I don't know
whether that's true or not.
Mm-hmm.
But what is for sure
is that [indistinct] designates
an electromagnetic
holding facility.
[narrator] Some people
inherit a home or a business.
John inherited access.
Access to a hidden narrative
whispered between engineers
who designed miracles
and classified analysts
who cleaned up
the truth afterward.
As a child, he heard jokes
that weren't jokes.
As a pilot, he spoke to people
whose careers vanished
the moment
they asked the wrong question.
In his world,
the extraordinary
was not a fantasy.
It was a restricted file.
Public aviation celebrates
lift, speed, and metal.
But behind the curtain,
scientists were studying
gravity itself,
or rather,
the ability to ignore it.
The most advanced craft
were not trying
to defeat the laws of physics.
They were behaving
as if those laws were optional.
When John heard silence,
he learned to listen
to what was missing.
When he saw a denial,
he knew it meant
the truth was too close.
The world he grew up in
wasn't built on trust.
It was built
on clearance levels.
Uh, and-- and to-- there's a--
is there a direct
alien reference to that?
Yes, that's what I mean.
That's what I--
Now, has there ever been
any documentation
on anything relative to this?
So where does that-- where
does the whole idea come from?
Because I heard
about this [indistinct],
uh, totally remote
from any other sources,
coming from an individual,
uh, who had worked
at White Sands Missile Range,
was involved
in the crash retrieval,
talking about
Earl Monroe Cassidy,
who was involved in one
of the Roswell crash
retrieval programs,
the one at, uh,
San Agustin Plains, we believe.
Uh, and he had whole--
had taken his family,
including his daughter,
up to Los Alamos,
where, uh, they had a facility
where apparently
the surviving alien
from the San Agustin Plains
was transported.
In fact, two of them.
There were two survivors.
One of them apparently died
on the way to Los Alamos,
but the other one survived,
uh, they believe,
for a period
of about a year at least.
Uh, and on one occasion,
he took the daughter
and the wife up there.
They-- and they had
to stay in the car,
uh, but went
into a facility called--
it was [indistinct],
uh, at, uh, Los Alamos.
So I had totally
independently heard of that.
Wasn't-- there was no indication
in what I heard from them
that this [indistinct]
was exclusively designed
for the purpose
of containing this alien.
Uh, it was more
or less a building,
and the-- uh, other than, uh,
uh, the fact
that he went into this building,
not the alien,
but the, uh-- but Cassidy,
uh, a-- and the fact that
that's where they housed him.
Uh, that's the-- the bulk
of the information on that.
So that sort of adds
to that-- that whole scenario.
Well, uh, that could be.
I-- I recall seeing
that first time [indistinct]
in a letter,
uh, from some general
to somebody else
mentioning that that's
where they held EBE-2 or 3.
Okay. All right.
Now, back out again to...
I-- so as the story
develops here,
we've got Gene Huff,
who became interested
in UFOs at some point
and then contacted you.
Uh, a-- at that point, had he,
to-- to your knowledge,
discussed UFOs
with, uh, Bob Lazar?
Just to the, uh--
just to the point where,
uh, he was interested in it,
wanted to know if Bob
had heard anything at Los Al.
And, uh, Bob said,
"No, I never heard anything.
I don't believe in it,"
that kind of thing.
Okay.
So do you suppose
there was any connection
to the point of Gene Huff
getting in touch with you
in order to try to get
more information about UFOs
in order to try to convince Bob?
- Maybe.
- Maybe. Okay.
But then from that point,
we've established
that at this point Bob Lazar
got to the point where,
okay, he was intrigued
enough with UFOs
and validated
that, uh, Project Grudge
did in fact exist.
Uh, and now
he actually wanted to try
to get into a program
involving this
in order to further--
or at least get close enough
to where this program allegedly
were being conducted
so that he could get that.
All right, so in that process,
he contacted Dr. Teller,
whom he had met previously
at Los Alamos,
uh, was referred
to, uh, EG&G facility
uh, where he underwent,
um, I-- I guess,
some, uh, interviews,
some personnel type interviews.
And Dr. Teller
called him and said, uh,
"Where would you like to work?
Would you like to work,
uh, at EG&G in Las Vegas
or would you like
to come to California
and work at Lawrence Livermore?"
- Mm-hmm.
- And Bob said,
"I want to work at Area 51."
And there was a full minute
silence on the phone
and Dr. Teller said,
"Let me see what I can do."
Okay.
So he actually went
right to the throat.
He says,
"I want to work at Area 51."
And the fallout of that
was he ultimately
was called, uh, or--
At EG&G, he got, uh,
first, uh,
two security interviews,
then two job interviews,
then another security,
and then another job.
There was three total interviews
for both security and job.
Okay.
And the next step then,
he was offered a job
that he turned down, did he not?
Not at the test site,
but-- or something
connected to that?
- I don't know.
- Or are we already past that?
- I don't know.
- [indistinct].
At some point he was offered
a job that he turned down
because it wasn't
what he wanted.
But somehow or another,
he ended up at the test site
- working on these projects.
- Yeah.
Now...
don't you-- do you think
that during
the course of his, uh--
the interview process,
and they already knew
he wanted to work at Area 51,
and at this point, if they had
done any kind of checking,
they knew that he had been
in contact with you,
or at least had been
in contact with Gene Huff,
who had been
in contact with you,
and that there was
a direct UFO interest
with a publicly known
researcher in the field.
- Yeah.
- Uh, doesn't it...
make sense
that they may have decided
to bring Bob up there
to work near a program
for the express purpose
of leaking information?
We've always thought
that was a possibility.
- Well, that's extraordinary.
- One of the first
security interviews he had,
the-- one
of the first questions was,
"Do you know John Lear
and what's your relationship
with John Lear?"
And he said, "Yes, I know him."
- Uh, I think he sticks with--
- So this did come out.
They did know that
right during the--
- Right from the beginning.
- Right from the beginning.
Now, once Bob
got in the program...
how many times did he
actually go to the test site
to work on the disks?
I don't know, but I was--
it was like eight or ten times.
Eight or ten times.
And this was not like
he would go up to the test site
and stay overnight and work.
This was one-day events.
He would go up one day, uh--
One-day events, and it was, uh--
they usually, uh,
uh, go up in the evening.
Mm-hmm.
And at the very beginning
of all of this,
uh, he didn't actually
get to see the disks
or work on the disks
right from the beginning.
He went through a process
of, uh, um, briefings,
didn't he?
Yes, but I think
the first day he was there,
uh, he saw the disks--
he saw a disk
the first time he was there.
Because, uh, December 6th, 1988
is when he came to my house
after his first trip up there.
- Okay.
- And that's when he said,
"John, I saw a disk today."
And I said, "Theirs or ours?"
And he said, "Theirs."
Now, had-- had Bob,
previous to, uh,
going up to the test site,
now we had established
that there was a relationship
with Bob Lazar and Gene Huff
and that Gene Huff
had contacted you.
When did you first, uh,
get in contact with Bob Lazar?
When did you first
hook up with him?
Over this period, after...
Gene brought him the first time,
Bob would occasionally
drop over to my house
to tell me what was going on
as far as he was checking
at Los Alamos on various things.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he'd come over to the house
- without Gene sometimes.
- Mm-hmm.
And so we had developed
a relationship
where he'd just drop over
and-- and see what was going on
and-- and talk
about what was going on.
Okay.
So now getting back up
to Area 51, and...
isn't it rather bizarre,
don't you think,
that Bob was shown,
uh, briefings
that really didn't have
anything to do
with his objective being there?
And the objective, of course,
to work on the rev--
uh, reverse engineering
of the disk program.
Uh, but they showed him
a lot of other
documents and files
that, uh, had to do with aliens
and biology
and, uh, uh, history and so on.
Can you go into some-- kind of
a menu of this sort of thing?
He was given, uh,
121 briefing documents,
and the reason was
they wanted him
to select what area
he wanted to work in,
because they were not allowed
to switch areas,
nor were they, uh, allowed
to work on two areas at a time.
He had to specifically decide
which area he wanted to work on,
and since he was qualified
in so many different, uh, areas,
um, he had-- he had
his choice of all of them.
But he decided to--
he wanted to work on propulsion.
That's why he was allowed
to see them.
And these briefings weren't
extensive, thorough briefings.
They were, you know, documents
maybe 10-15 pages long...
- Mm-hmm.
- ...uh, to give him an overview.
Sort of an abstract
[indistinct].
And from that, uh,
he was to make his decision
on where
he wanted to specialize.
Now, there-- well, I guess
there were three
primary programs up there
that he had really taken
a good close look at.
One of them was Project Galileo,
which is the one
he ultimately started working on
involving the, uh, reverse
engineering of the disks
or the test flight program
of the-- of the disks.
Uh, there were two others.
Uh, one was, I think,
Project Looking Glass.
- Yeah, and--
- What was that about?
Uh, Project Looking Gas--
uh, Looking Glass
uh, dealt with, uh,
uh, time machines
going forward and going back.
[narrator] If humanity
acquired alien technology,
it wasn't stolen.
It was negotiated.
Every exchange
requires leverage.
Every treaty has terms.
What could Earth possibly trade
with civilizations
capable of bending space-time?
John implies
we offered the only currency
we've ever truly possessed.
Permission.
Permission to operate unseen.
Permission to study us
as a species.
Permission to influence
our evolution
from the corners of perception.
Officials may believe they're
protecting the world from
panic.
Or perhaps they're protecting
something else entirely.
A structure of control
that collapses the moment
the public understands
it is being controlled.
These are not alliances.
We're not equals at the table.
We are a bargaining chip
wrapped in secrecy,
monitored by those
who fear what we might demand,
if we ever knew our worth.
Was that not intriguing to Bob?
I'm surprised he,
you know, hadn't--
didn't select that,
for example, uh, over the--
I guess because his-- his
penchant was for propulsion,
so I guess
that was his selection.
Now, what--
what more can you tell us
about the Project Looking Glass?
I mean, what-- what was the--
what else did he learn
about that project?
Other than that, uh--
I mean, was it--
what was the method
by which they were able
to go back in time?
Was it forward in time
as well or--
Uh, apparently both.
Uh, it's, uh, apparently
much easier to go forward
than it is to go back.
Uh, but they were able--
able to show him
different experiments,
uh, where they could, uh,
uh, keep time from moving.
Uh, you heard
about the experiments
where they had a candle
and they would put it
in this time machine
and the candle would just stay
exactly like it, you know, was.
It wouldn't burn down.
Uh, it-- the-- the flame
just-- just stayed like that.
And he told me that, uh,
they had solved the paradox,
uh, if you go back in time
and kill your father,
will you still be alive?
And he said
the, uh, solution to that was,
yes, you will still be alive,
because time
is compartmentalized.
You can go back in time
and you can kill your father,
but since time
is compartmentalized,
it will not affect
what has already happened.
Hmm. That's interesting.
Um, wasn't-- there was--
seems to me there was
something referenced,
and maybe
it's a different project,
but I remember
him making reference
to, uh, the use of a--
of a gravity lens.
Does that-- now, does that mean
that just looking back in time
or going forward in time,
does that mean you physically
actually go back in time,
take your body
and go back or forward,
o-- or is this something
where it's kind of like
a viewing thing,
where you can view
from a third-party perspective
back in time or forward?
- How is that--
- I think both can occur.
You can go back-- you can
physically go back in time.
Uh, you can, uh,
walk around dinosaurs,
- that kind of thing.
- Hmm.
Uh, but you can also,
uh, look back in time.
They had this little,
uh, device, supposedly,
that you could go back
any amount of years
and-- and actually
look back in time.
As far as the gravity lens,
I think that had something
to do with, uh, the weapon.
- Is that another program?
- That was the other program.
Which was?
I keep trying
to think of the name of it.
Okay.
Uh, well, perhaps you'll--
you'll come up with that.
It seems to me that
there's a very popular program
on, uh, network television
called Quantum Leap,
which, uh, uses a-- a device
where, uh...
in-- the-- the individual,
one of the main characters
in the show,
is able to, uh, go back in time
uh, and be projected
as a hologram.
He's not able to interact
with the environment,
but he's able
to physically be there,
see what's going on,
and has access to this computer
back in his own time
that can give him data
about the, uh,
percentage probabilities
of certain things happening
and so on.
Uh, it seems to me
that the public is being exposed
to some rather
exotic types of technology.
Uh, what are your thoughts
on the prospects
of this kind of a program
really being some form
of an indoctrination
based on information gleaned
from programs
like Project Looking Glass?
It could be.
Uh, we've always felt
that, uh, they're trying
to indoctrinate us.
As a matter of fact,
Bob was under the impression
that part of the reason
they hired him at the test site
was his extensive experience,
uh, in filming and producing.
Um--
Bob had an extensive experience
in filming and producing?
Yeah. He made the--
Can you tell us
a little bit about that?
Well, Bob Lazar made
the first rock video.
Hmm.
Uh, and as a matter of fact,
an MTV's,
uh, anniversary every year,
uh...
- What was that video?
- ...the anniversary they show...
the first rock video made,
and it has his name,
Bob Lazar is the producer.
What was the group?
I'm trying to think what it was,
and I-- I don't remember.
It could have been Blondie,
but I'm not sure.
- Was Blondie going back then?
- Perhaps.
It's possible, I suppose.
I really don't know.
But that's interesting, though.
I mean, you know, if--
if you happen to think of that,
just kind of interject that
at some point.
Uh, that's quite curious.
So...
getting down to the issue
of Bob, uh, selecting,
I find that's rather
interesting itself.
Typically,
if you go for a job interview,
uh, you state the qualifications
that you have,
and they kind of
pick and choose,
well, would you like
to work on this?
But it seems in this case,
almost the reverse has occurred,
where they just laid it all out.
Here's all the programs we have,
which one you want to work on?
That's, uh, rather
extraordinary, don't you think?
The reason was, is, uh--
according to Bob,
he aced the interview.
I mean, he was ahead of them
from the very beginning,
uh, of the question.
He had two or three physicists
firing questions from each side.
Uh, and when they'd-- they'd
bring a question, they'd say,
uh, "Now let's talk ab--
we'd like to discuss infrared."
And he'd say, "Are you
talking about the area 10
to the minus 6th?"
And they'd say, "Oh, well,
we were going to get to that."
And he was just one step ahead
of them the whole way.
Uh, and it was really obviously,
the-- the guy really knew
what he was talking about.
Uh, so they had a guy here
who, you know,
could fit in anywhere.
It wasn't that they said,
"Well, this guy,
you know, he knows
a little bit about this,
but he really looks like
he specialized
in this particular area,
so we'll offer him a job there."
He was so well-rounded
in all areas
that that's why I assume
they laid out all the programs
and he could just pick
where he wanted to go.
[narrator] Area 51 distracts
with airplanes and myths.
S-4 hides relationships.
Imagine a facility built
not to interrogate visitors,
but to receive them.
A place where clearance
doesn't grant knowledge.
It grants audience.
Where the greatest minds
of our species
become students again...
taking instruction from
entities
whose understanding
of physics reduces
our achievements to toys.
In tunnels
carved beneath a dry lake,
humanity may be
quietly negotiating its place
in a much older
cosmic structure.
Not with might,
but with compliance.
This is not an occupied Earth.
This is a managed Earth.
The encounter already happened
and the cover story
is still being written.
S-4 forces us to confront
a chilling thought.
We are not preparing
for contact,
we are honoring it in silence.
Okay, so let's focus
a bit on Project Galileo,
which is the one that
he ultimately chose to work on.
I don't even know
where to begin.
Want-- What was, uh--
When-- when Bob came back
and started talking about it,
he had obviously
reached the point
where he selected this project.
Did he come by
and talk about that?
Did he tell you why
he was interested in that,
or what exactly that entailed?
What was he going to try
to accomplish with this?
I don't think
it was until the third
or fourth time
that he was up there
that he chose
where he was going to work.
Uh, the first night he came,
which was the-- the first night,
uh, that he got back,
he just told me about
seeing the disk,
reading some of the documents,
uh, and we discussed
what he had read.
And it was basically
some very far-out stuff
uh, about the aliens, uh,
uh, where they came from.
He talked about, uh,
uh, some holographic books
that he had to read.
- One was...
- Holographic books?
- Yeah.
- Can you explain that?
What-- what's a holographic
book look like?
It was a book that,
that, uh, had information
on the two cultures,
man and another culture.
And I'm not sure
and clear in my mind
what the other culture was.
But the book was like this,
and then you'd turn it over,
and that was, you know,
it'd have, uh, information
on man and his culture,
and then you'd turn it over,
and it was the other culture,
but as he--
This other culture
being some kind of alien?
- Alien to human, at least?
- [indistinct]
I-- I-- I don't remember exactly
what the other culture was,
but there was two cultures.
But in this book,
it had the history,
uh, from the beginning,
and it had pictures of, uh,
normal, everyday things
like, uh, buildings
or houses many, uh,
many, many hundreds thousands
of years ago.
And he could take the--
you could look at
a picture like this
and just turn
the book a little bit,
and it would project views
all through the house,
how it was made, the walls,
what was behind the wall,
what was the-- in that room
and what was behind that.
And you'd just turn
the-- the picture like that,
and it would show you
all the way through the house.
And it wasn't digital
because you couldn't,
you know,
stop it at any one place,
uh, and, uh, and-- and-- see
where the picture,
uh, stopped and started.
It was just
a continuous look through,
beginning at the outside,
looking through the wall,
into the room,
through that wall
into the next room, like that.
That's extraordinary.
I don't know how this will
come up on-- on TV,
but we've got a hologram here.
That, if we can kind of
zoom in on this,
this is a hologram of a--
of an alien face.
And I'll try
to get the angle right here,
so we'll see how this comes up.
But if you see this, uh,
uh, in person,
you'll get an idea
of how these things work.
I'm sure a lot of people
have seen them.
How's that look on there?
[man] Right there.
- [indistinct]
- And if you rotate it
a little bit like that,
you can see there's kind of
a three-dimensional
quality to it.
- And that is essentially the...
- [John] That would have been
just like that,
except when you turned it,
it would, you know,
show all the way through.
Okay.
All right, now.
This was all part
of the Project Galileo?
- Which part?
- This, the hologram, uh...
No, this was
part of the briefing.
This was part
of the briefing that, uh,
uh, dealt with, uh,
- the historical review...
- Yeah.
Of, uh, of culture,
human culture,
for one,
and then another culture,
which we can't quite define, apparently.
And he was allowed, he--
he just didn't sit once
and read these documents.
It would-- during
the whole time he was up there,
they would give him
30 minutes or 45 minutes
with these documents,
and he could read them
at his leisure.
The December-January 1991 issue
of Technical
Consultant Magazine,
uh, has an article in it,
part of which states that
there is a war going on
between the CIA,
MJ-12, and Aquarius Group,
and a group
inside Naval Intelligence
called COM-12.
We'll see if you have
any knowledge of that,
and over the secrecy
or release of UFO information.
Uh, John, do you have
any knowledge on that?
This is the first
I've heard of this.
No, I just know
that there's always been
an argument within
the intelligence agencies
about releasing the information.
Part of them want it released,
part of them don't.
Who it is that's
in the cover-up, I don't know.
And that goes back
very, very far back,
because in, uh, 1954,
according
to the Gerald Light letter
that came out of Borderland
Sciences Research Foundation,
uh, when President Eisenhower
was apparently
spirited over to Muroc Field
to be exposed to a series,
I think it was
five different disks,
and the, uh,
uh, intelligence
who were involved in the--
in the disk construction were
demonstrating the technology
to, uh, the government
scientists
that they had there.
Uh, it was revealed that, uh,
there was a plan that,
uh, President Eisenhower
was going to go public
sometime in May of 1954,
uh, regarding that,
uh revelation
of extraterrestrial existence
and the technology there.
Uh, that apparently
never happened,
but it did expose that far back,
at least as 1954,
there was
a group of authorities,
as Gerald Light,
uh, pointed out,
uh, that were not
in agreeance in whether or not
this kind of information
should be made public.
And of course, uh,
those of you who have read
the-- the Chesapeake
Connection, uh,
detailed a lot of information
regarding a study conducted,
paid for by NASA,
by the Brookings Institution,
uh, called Proposed Studies
on the Implications
of Peaceful Space Activities
for Human Affairs,
uh, where they addressed
the issue
of a face-to-face contact
with an extraterrestrial
culture,
uh, addressed
a number of problems,
uh, sociological problems,
uh, uh, philosophical
and theological problems,
all associated with the issue
of whether or not
this information should be,
uh, made available
to the general public.
Uh, the conclusion, essentially,
was that it was probably
best not to be made public,
uh, except in a form
of a controlled indoctrination
type of process,
which is apparently
what we're seeing
with a lot of leaks
of information coming out.
We're getting
a lot of, uh, uh, information,
a lot more so now.
[narrator] We once believed
the mind was the brain...
until experiences
proved otherwise.
We once believed
machines required
instruction...
until some
began to anticipate intention.
John hints at craft
that merge technology
with consciousness.
Where the pilot
isn't controlling the vehicle,
the vehicle is collaborating
with the pilot.
This suggests
the soul is not metaphor,
but infrastructure,
a measurable waveform.
A unique signature
in space-time.
Consciousness becomes the most advanced
operating system in existence.
If a civilization
has mastered devices
that recognize
and respond to awareness...
then the human soul
becomes a tool...
a key, a target.
Control shifts from governments
to those who can interface
directly with identity itself.
Know thyself
stops being philosophy...
and becomes security protocol.
And in that moment,
the oldest question
in history changes.
Not what are we...
but who is using us?
What was the single biggest, uh,
piece of evidence
in that experience
that convinced him
that this is absolutely
beyond possibility
non-human made?
I think the, uh,
other than the propulsion,
which he felt
was so far advanced
that it was non-human made,
it was when one afternoon
he went in,
the hangar door was open, uh,
it was in the afternoon,
the sun was at a certain angle
in the sky,
he went into the saucer
and he was in there
for a period of like
two to two and a half hours
uh, working on this,
looking at this
particular thing working,
and when he came out,
it was exactly the same time
as when he went in.
In other words,
the sun hadn't moved,
but he knew
that he had been in there
about two and a half hours.
In order, he explained it as...
the-- the, uh,
saucer was time shifted
and that when you were in there,
time wasn't going to move, uh,
which it didn't because we were
there for two and a half hours.
When he came out,
it was exactly the same time
as when he went in.
And this, now... [stammering]
...the saucer,
the saucer wasn't even live
at the time, was it?
- I mean, it wasn't powered?
- Uh, I don't...
It wasn't flying because
he said he never flew in it.
Uh, no, uh, it was--
it was it was powered, uh...
But in our concept
of being powered,
I'm not sure whether that
it's the same thing
as we think
as it being turned on.
It's not like you go in and turn
on a key or something like that.
I guess it's,
if the, uh, reactor is intact,
it's constantly on [indistinct].
No, I just don't know
that much about it.
I'm not a physicist,
so I can't explain it myself,
but there were times
he said that, uh...
the saucer was essentially,
uh, when it wasn't time shifted,
you could actually bump it
and, and, like, move it.
Uh, but if it was time shifted,
you could not,
under any circumstances move it,
and when you went in it,
uh, time essentially stopped.
[narrator] Secrecy
doesn't just hide what exists.
It erases what could exist.
Every suppressed discovery
is a cure never delivered.
A technology never released.
A future permanently postponed.
If there is a breakaway
civilization
living in the tomorrow
we're told doesn't exist,
then the rest of us are trapped
in the past by design.
This isn't science fiction.
It's policy.
Progress becomes a privilege.
Truth becomes property.
Ignorance becomes infrastructure.
The cost is paid in potential.
Dreams unfulfilled.
Genius unexplored.
Civilizations denied
the tools to ascend.
We are told that disclosure
would cause mass panic.
But what if the panic
belongs not to the public,
but to the elite
who would lose control
the moment we understand
the power we were born with?
Fear is their language.
Silence is their weapon.
But curiosity is our rebellion.
Boy, that would be a great asset
to have for doing studies.
I mean, I can't--
I can't imagine how many times
I've wished I could stop time
just so I could catch up
and get all the things done
I wanted to get done.
That would certainly be, uh,
uh, a pretty good application,
at least for us,
for something like that, uh.
One of the things,
uh, of contention,
and, hu, Bob Lazar has come out
with this video now
where he explains
the technology,
and I'm sure
a lot of people have seen
the, uh, uh, the...
methodology
by which, uh, Bob explains
how these craft operate,
the use of creating
a gravitational field
and having it focused.
And if you want to go
from point A to point B,
you create an intensified
gravitational wave on point B,
warp the space in between and...
the-- the problem that I'm
getting back from physicists
who are looking at this
as an explanation,
uh, there are
quite a number of issues
that they've raised
about, you know,
well, it looks like
you're obtaining free energy
somewhere
or something like that.
Uh, but the big issue
is, okay, if that's true...
what determines whether
you go to point B
when you shut this thing off
or go back to point A
where-- where you started?
What, you know, there must be
some mechanism in which all--
In other words, there's a lot of
holes in the explanation.
Do you feel that, uh,
you can at this point try
to fill in any of these gaps?
Do you think you understand
this technology, uh,
to-- to any degree
that-- that suggests to you
that it's in effect workable?
No, I don't know
that much about it.
I can explain it
about like you just did.
- Mm-hmm.
- Uh...
But I couldn't get
into a detailed explanation
with a physicist and say,
"Yes, this is how it works,
this is why it works.
Now let me
answer your question."
- Mm-hmm.
- I couldn't do that.
Well, we can establish one
that the disks are real.
They use an exotic technology.
They are capable of doing some
rather extraordinary things,
even from a third-party
observer viewpoint
where we're limited
to what we can see
within our, uh,
limited dimension
and limited
understanding of physics.
Uh, I guess
the question would be, uh,
is it possible
that Bob was given
a false understanding,
for some reason,
of the technology,
and he is out now
releasing this information
uh, that perhaps
isn't even accurate?
Is that possible in your mind?
We've always felt
that was possible.
We've always felt that there was
no satisfactory explanation
as to how I could have been,
uh, so interested in UFOs
in the summer of '88
and just happened to have met,
uh, a scientist
who, four months later,
just happened to have been able
to work on flying saucers
and then just happens
to come to my house
and tells me all this stuff.
There-- It-- it really
just doesn't make sense.
That's the way it happened.
Oh, you know, I was very
satisfied with the issue that,
one, uh, Bob Lazar is not lying.
He's telling
what he believes
to be the facts
as he knows them.
But I can't quite let go
of my visit
to Everett Hineman,
the Deputy Director
for Science and Technology
at CIA in Langley, Virginia,
the headquarters building,
and I had asked him
about Bob Lazar
and about the test flight
program at S-4
and asked
if he could look into that.
Actually, I was trying to see
if he could identify,
uh, Dennis Mariani...
uh, who was Bob Lazar's boss
at the test site.
And I think that, uh...
it was two weeks later
when Everett Hineman
called me back and I asked him,
were you able to substantiate
the, uh, issues I had raised
while I was in there
regarding Bob Lazar and S-4?
And, uh, anyway,
bottom line was that he said,
"No, this is--
I talked to some folks
and it didn't-- didn't
indicate that it wasn't true.
What he said was,
I come to different
conclusions than you do."
He wasn't aware that I'd
offered any conclusions per se
relative to that, but I thought
it was a very
interesting comment
that clearly suggested that,
yes, there was a program,
it involved Bob Lazar somehow,
and, uh, the fact that
we come to different conclusions
than they did or he did,
uh, would clearly suggest
that maybe there was, you know,
a real point behind this
whole thing that involved Bob.
And the point was to,
uh, for whatever purpose,
leak information.
Whether that information
is disinformation
or genuine information, uh,
it has accomplished
one thing clearly
and that has been
extraordinarily
thought-provoking
and has opened our eyes
to the prospects
and possibilities
of exotic technologies
far beyond
what science has even bothered
to take a look at.
And since that time
with Bob Lazar,
I've also found that some of
the things that Bob brought up,
issues about
element 115, I mean,
we've been still stuck
talking about the prospects
of coming up
with element 105 and 106
and how they were just,
you know, fleeting half-lives
that appeared for microseconds,
uh, and it-- it was gone.
How could it be that you could
have a, you know, solid object,
as it were, that was an element
that's in this high a range,
uh, the-- the stability factor.
And Bob had come
right out and said
that there was an island
of stability, uh,
after you reach a certain level
climbing up the periodic chart.
Just go look in your, uh,
encyclopedia and you'll see
a list of periodic
chart of the elements
if you don't remember from back
in your old high school days
or new high school days,
if that happens to be the case.
Uh...
And-- and you'll see
that, uh, the periodic chart
doesn't go up very high,
not-- certainly not up
into the teens and so on.
But most recently,
we've seen some
technical documentation
out of the scientific community
that really is, it's amazing.
The only thing that, uh,
is somewhat
of a-- of difference
from what Bob Lazar has said
is that Bob indicated
that, uh, we couldn't even
synthesize element 115
on this planet
because it would require
such an enormous
amount of energy
that you would have to go, uh,
uh, a binary star system
or someplace where there was
a supernova-type explosion
in order for this
to have occurred.
Uh...
The issue of contention
there now is that
it seems that there has been
a good bit of research done
in the last couple of years,
probably even while Bob
was at the test site,
and we're not talking about
just the United States,
this is European
research as well,
uh, where they have been
experimenting
with super-heavy elements
in the 112, 114, 116 range.
So I think it should be
established that, you know,
although it seems to be
new physics
that Bob's talking about,
there has been some very, uh,
uh, traditional science,
in other words,
not at the test site,
not in super secrecy,
but in, uh,
traditional university science
where they've been
experimenting with these.
Yeah, but you have to understand
that that information
on supposedly working
with 112 and 113 and 114,
that information only came out
after Bob started talking
about it [indistinct].
That's correct. That's, uh--
It is, uh, very new information.
- It's just come out in 1992.
- So it's kind of--
It's kind of after the fact.
Oh, yes, yeah, I'm sure
we were doing that, uh...
No, but what I'm,
my point simply is is that
it tends to validate
what Bob was saying
because nobody before Bob
had mentioned it publicly,
nobody certainly in the public
domain had any knowledge
whatsoever about the prospects
of a heav-- super-heavy element
much less there being some
kind of an island of stability.
Now there is, uh
research and again,
this plays into the hand of,
okay, if we know these,
that we've got projects,
uhm research going on
where we're going to start
talking about this thing,
uh, it certainly, uh, indicates
that somebody was really,
really jumping the gun
exposing Bob to this
and maybe even knowing
that he was going to
come forward with this
before any of the scientific
papers ever came out
on the street
and became public knowledge.
So, uh, again,
we're-- we're talking about,
uh, some of the information
that Bob was given
clearly is valid information
because now we can support,
uh, the contention
that element 115
clearly is a possibility.
Whether it came
from some other world
or whether
it's manufactured, uh, here
through some advanced program
that we've not been made
privileged to,
it is indeed a possibility,
which opens up the possibilities
of several
of the other things going on.
Now, let's move on
to something else.
John, uh, you were
one of the first ones
way back in 1987
to start talking about,
uh, the Dulce Base projects, uh,
revelations
of an underground facility
in the Archuleta Mesa area
near the Jicarilla
Apache Indian, uh, Reservation.
Uh, what have you
learned about that?
How do you stand on that now?
What is, uh, the accepted, uh...
Now I know Paul Bennewitz
fits into this somehow.
Uh, where did you get
that information to start
and where do we stand
on all of that now?
Uh, the first information
that the Dulce Base exists,
which is a, uh...
reportedly, uh, jointly occupied
underground base between, uh.
CIA, if you will,
and the aliens, the Greys.
Uh, that information
came from Bennewitz.
Uh, shortly after that,
uh, I was in a meeting
with several, uh,
UFO researchers up in Crestone,
in the Sangre
de Cristo Mountains,
and was handed a letter
by one of them that he received
from a lady
in Las Vegas, Nevada,
uh, that said
that she had a friend
that worked
at an underground base,
uh, specifically Dulce,
and, uh...
that she had pictures
uh, and wanted
to talk to somebody about it.
Well, as is usually the case,
time will tell.
Thanks for joining us.
[narrator] We comfort
ourselves with progress.
New phones,
new rockets, new cures.
Believing each advancement
marks the height
of our achievement.
But what if these
are only the crumbs of a feast
happening behind locked doors?
What if the true
acceleration of humanity
has been diverted
into a private timeline,
guarded by those
who benefit from control
more than uplift?
Imagine a civilization
that has mastered gravity.
That travels without
propulsion.
That understands time
not as a direction
but as an accessible landscape.
Picture medicine
that regrows lost organs,
erases trauma...
and extends life to centuries,
not theoretically,
but routinely.
Envision energy
drawn freely from space itself.
Abundant enough
to erase economies
built on scarcity.
Such a civilization
may already exist.
Not light years away,
but behind a security badge.
This isn't science fiction.
It is classified
science fact...
decades ahead
of what the public sees.
We aren't waiting
for the future.
We are waiting for permission.
Perhaps what we call conspiracy
is merely
unauthorized knowledge.
And the real conspiracy
is convincing billions
to believe
they have reached the peak
of what is possible...
while a select few already
live beyond those limits.
John Lear's testimony
challenges not
our intelligence,
but our obedience.
We are taught to reject ideas
that do not come
from approved authorities.
Yet those same authorities
rely on secrecy
to maintain their dominance.
Denial does not erase
existence.
Silence does not erase
presence.
The absence of permission does
not mean the absence of truth.
Somewhere, engines powered
by the fabric of reality itself
are taking flight.
Somewhere,
an intelligence older and wiser
walks among us
without recognition.
And somewhere,
a version of humanity
has already
stepped into the stars,
leaving the rest of us
squinting at the sky,
unaware of what we are missing.
Maybe disclosure
isn't a revelation.
Maybe it is a realization,
a shift that begins
not with governments,
but with individuals who refuse
to let fear decide what is
real.
John Lear
was one of those individuals.
And as long as there are people
who continue to ask,
to doubt the official silence,
and to wonder...
[narrator] Hidden technology,
secret facilities buried
beneath the Nevada desert.
Deals made in the shadows
between governments
and non-human intelligence.
Craft that fly without fuel,
responding to thought
instead of physics.
Souls treated as technology.
A breakaway civilization
living in the future,
while the rest of us
are kept behind.
Pilot and intelligence insider
John Lear
claims he has seen evidence
that would rewrite
human history.
That contact already happened.
That reverse engineering
has changed our world
without our consent.
That humanity's evolution
is being managed in secrecy
by those who fear what we might
do with the truth.
In this investigation,
we explore.
The real purpose of Area 51
and the deeper base
known as S-4.
Alleged agreements
with extraterrestrial visitors.
How consciousness may be the
key to advanced propulsion.
The possibility
that the soul is measurable
and exploitable.
Why disclosure
may already be underway...
silently.
The story you're about to hear
challenges everything
we are allowed to believe.
The question isn't,
are we alone?
It's, who is keeping
the truth from us
and why?
There are places on this earth
where truth cannot breathe.
Where the sky itself
is classified.
And where
the greatest discoveries
humanity has ever made
are intentionally forgotten...
before they can be celebrated.
These are the silent zones...
hidden in deserts,
buried beneath mountains,
disguised in plain sight.
Guarded not by barbed wire,
but by belief.
Because if a secret
is big enough,
you never need to hide it.
You only need to convince
the world that it's impossible.
John Lear's life began
where the known ends
and the unknown begins.
Aviation wasn't a career path,
it was his inheritance.
His father Bill Lear
transformed the sky
for the modern world.
But what he couldn't transform,
he concealed.
Behind every aircraft
the public admired,
there were prototypes the
public could never know
existed.
Behind every innovation,
there was a rumor of something
that went far beyond
innovation.
John came of age
surrounded by doors
that only opened for the elite.
Doors that led
to black laboratories
and ghost runways.
Where the future
of human capability
was not being imagined,
but reverse engineered.
His story
doesn't ask for belief.
It challenges the assumption
that disbelief is rational.
Maybe the world isn't lying
about what is real.
Maybe the world is lying about
what it chooses to reveal.
And if John Lear is correct,
reality is far bigger,
far stranger,
and far more controlled
than any of us
were ever meant to understand.
Bob Oechsler and I've got,
uh, Captain John Lear here.
Piping all, eh, John?
- [John] Hey, that's right.
- Yeah.
We're going to talk today
about, uh, some Area 51 stuff
and your background
and meeting, uh, Bob Lazar.
Of course, the big story of, uh,
I guess, of the decade at least.
I would say so, yeah.
Uh, you-- now, you know,
one of the big questions I think
that's come up, uh,
in my investigations
and inquiries about Bob
and, uh, Gene Huff and that--
that whole entourage...
is it true that you met Bob
before he was assigned
to work out
at, uh, Area 51
on the test site in S-4?
Yeah, absolutely.
When Gene brought him over
to my house,
uh, Bob didn't know anything
about saucers
or care about them.
And it was, uh, Gene's interest
that really, uh--
uh, that really
brought him over to my house.
And Bob kind of just
tagged along for laughs.
And it was probably, you know,
two months before Bob realized
that we may, you know,
h-- have something
of-- of real interest.
Uh, and through
his contacts at, uh,
Los Alamos
National Laboratories,
where he used to live
or where he used to work,
um, he found out
that a lot of the stuff
we were saying was true.
Okay, not-- not from Ed Teller,
but he-- from other sources
at Los Alamos?
That's kind of revelationary.
Yeah, yeah,
a couple of, uh, people
that he worked with, uh,
when he worked there in 1982.
And, uh, when we told him
that, uh, Project Grudge
was a continuing, um,
uh, investigation
and the Air Force
had not canceled Grudge
in 1949, as they said,
uh, he had his friends
check the classified laboratory
at, uh, [indistinct]--
classified, uh, library
at Los Alamos,
and they did find
current Grudge report, 1988.
Well, that's extraordinary.
So, uh,
the direction I'm going
to head with this thing,
uh, I think will...
perhaps point to one
of the possible solutions
to the mystery,
uh, around Bob Lazar
and the-- the whole
test flight program
and-- and the government's,
uh, concerns involving secrecy,
or maybe there's an issue
involving, uh, intentional
release of information,
whether it's, uh, accurate
or not accurate, whatever.
Uh, and I think
a lot of that centers around,
uh, this whole development
of the relationship
between, uh, Bob and Gene Huff
uh, and you.
Now, you--
had you, uh, known Gene
long before Bob
and Gene knew each other,
- or how did that work?
- Well, Gene just called--
Gene just called up one day,
uh, summer of '88,
probably like July,
and wanted
some of my UFO information.
He heard about me, and he was
very interested in it.
And he wanted,
like, copies of tapes
and-- and, uh, material.
And, uh, since
I wasn't, uh, giving
or selling
any of that at that time,
um, uh, we elected--
uh, we made an agreement
where-- he was
a real estate appraiser.
He would appraise my house
in exchange
for these tapes and, uh--
uh, tapes an, uh, documents.
And it was
his friendship with Bob
that-- that kind of
drew Bob into this.
And Bob, like I say,
was in for the laughs.
He didn't believe it
for one minute.
Nothing.
Uh, that--
he thought it was a joke.
He thought the whole thing
was nothing but a joke.
Well, what convinced Bob
to go look?
And now, Bob wasn't looking
for a job in UFOs.
No. Bob was--
Why did he even bother
to contact?
Now, who convinced him that
he should try to get into work?
- Or was this his own idea?
- He convinced himself,
because after, uh,
three or four months
of talking with Gene
and-- and myself,
there's actually two things
that pushed Bob
in the direction of,
"Well, there's enough here
that I want to find out
for myself.
I'm going to go work up there
and see if I can see anything."
And the two things were,
is one that he found that, yes,
Project Grudge did exist.
And the other one was the, uh--
the [indistinct] facility,
- uh, which is supposedly--
- That's over in Los Alamos.
Well, there's one at, uh, S-4
and-- and one at Los Alamos.
But supposedly it was
the electromagnetic
holding facility
- where they kept the aliens.
- Hmm.
And it was designated
[indistinct]
by the, uh-- the guy
who built them, Dr. Eric Wang.
And, uh,
when we told Bob about it,
among other things,
he had his people check on it
and found that, yes,
there was a classified mail stop
at Los Alamos.
- Um, uh--
- Well, explain what that is.
What is an electromagnetic
holding facility
and how is that
capable of holding--
does that hold humans
as well as aliens or--
No, it's something to do
with, uh, the way
we have this one alien,
EBE-2 or 3.
They have to be
in a holding facility
that is
electromagnetically guarded
for either to keep somebody out
or to keep him in.
- I'm not sure what it is.
- Mm-hmm.
But the designation of this
facility was [indistinct].
Okay, and that's
the sole, uh, r-- uh, uh,
purpose of this facility is to--
Is to keep the alien in there.
Keep the alien in there
and perhaps keep--
No, I've heard stories
that, uh, the aliens,
uh, could, uh,
transport themselves, uh, out.
I don't know
whether that's true or not.
I've heard stories
that they can disappear.
I don't know
whether that's true or not.
Mm-hmm.
But what is for sure
is that [indistinct] designates
an electromagnetic
holding facility.
[narrator] Some people
inherit a home or a business.
John inherited access.
Access to a hidden narrative
whispered between engineers
who designed miracles
and classified analysts
who cleaned up
the truth afterward.
As a child, he heard jokes
that weren't jokes.
As a pilot, he spoke to people
whose careers vanished
the moment
they asked the wrong question.
In his world,
the extraordinary
was not a fantasy.
It was a restricted file.
Public aviation celebrates
lift, speed, and metal.
But behind the curtain,
scientists were studying
gravity itself,
or rather,
the ability to ignore it.
The most advanced craft
were not trying
to defeat the laws of physics.
They were behaving
as if those laws were optional.
When John heard silence,
he learned to listen
to what was missing.
When he saw a denial,
he knew it meant
the truth was too close.
The world he grew up in
wasn't built on trust.
It was built
on clearance levels.
Uh, and-- and to-- there's a--
is there a direct
alien reference to that?
Yes, that's what I mean.
That's what I--
Now, has there ever been
any documentation
on anything relative to this?
So where does that-- where
does the whole idea come from?
Because I heard
about this [indistinct],
uh, totally remote
from any other sources,
coming from an individual,
uh, who had worked
at White Sands Missile Range,
was involved
in the crash retrieval,
talking about
Earl Monroe Cassidy,
who was involved in one
of the Roswell crash
retrieval programs,
the one at, uh,
San Agustin Plains, we believe.
Uh, and he had whole--
had taken his family,
including his daughter,
up to Los Alamos,
where, uh, they had a facility
where apparently
the surviving alien
from the San Agustin Plains
was transported.
In fact, two of them.
There were two survivors.
One of them apparently died
on the way to Los Alamos,
but the other one survived,
uh, they believe,
for a period
of about a year at least.
Uh, and on one occasion,
he took the daughter
and the wife up there.
They-- and they had
to stay in the car,
uh, but went
into a facility called--
it was [indistinct],
uh, at, uh, Los Alamos.
So I had totally
independently heard of that.
Wasn't-- there was no indication
in what I heard from them
that this [indistinct]
was exclusively designed
for the purpose
of containing this alien.
Uh, it was more
or less a building,
and the-- uh, other than, uh,
uh, the fact
that he went into this building,
not the alien,
but the, uh-- but Cassidy,
uh, a-- and the fact that
that's where they housed him.
Uh, that's the-- the bulk
of the information on that.
So that sort of adds
to that-- that whole scenario.
Well, uh, that could be.
I-- I recall seeing
that first time [indistinct]
in a letter,
uh, from some general
to somebody else
mentioning that that's
where they held EBE-2 or 3.
Okay. All right.
Now, back out again to...
I-- so as the story
develops here,
we've got Gene Huff,
who became interested
in UFOs at some point
and then contacted you.
Uh, a-- at that point, had he,
to-- to your knowledge,
discussed UFOs
with, uh, Bob Lazar?
Just to the, uh--
just to the point where,
uh, he was interested in it,
wanted to know if Bob
had heard anything at Los Al.
And, uh, Bob said,
"No, I never heard anything.
I don't believe in it,"
that kind of thing.
Okay.
So do you suppose
there was any connection
to the point of Gene Huff
getting in touch with you
in order to try to get
more information about UFOs
in order to try to convince Bob?
- Maybe.
- Maybe. Okay.
But then from that point,
we've established
that at this point Bob Lazar
got to the point where,
okay, he was intrigued
enough with UFOs
and validated
that, uh, Project Grudge
did in fact exist.
Uh, and now
he actually wanted to try
to get into a program
involving this
in order to further--
or at least get close enough
to where this program allegedly
were being conducted
so that he could get that.
All right, so in that process,
he contacted Dr. Teller,
whom he had met previously
at Los Alamos,
uh, was referred
to, uh, EG&G facility
uh, where he underwent,
um, I-- I guess,
some, uh, interviews,
some personnel type interviews.
And Dr. Teller
called him and said, uh,
"Where would you like to work?
Would you like to work,
uh, at EG&G in Las Vegas
or would you like
to come to California
and work at Lawrence Livermore?"
- Mm-hmm.
- And Bob said,
"I want to work at Area 51."
And there was a full minute
silence on the phone
and Dr. Teller said,
"Let me see what I can do."
Okay.
So he actually went
right to the throat.
He says,
"I want to work at Area 51."
And the fallout of that
was he ultimately
was called, uh, or--
At EG&G, he got, uh,
first, uh,
two security interviews,
then two job interviews,
then another security,
and then another job.
There was three total interviews
for both security and job.
Okay.
And the next step then,
he was offered a job
that he turned down, did he not?
Not at the test site,
but-- or something
connected to that?
- I don't know.
- Or are we already past that?
- I don't know.
- [indistinct].
At some point he was offered
a job that he turned down
because it wasn't
what he wanted.
But somehow or another,
he ended up at the test site
- working on these projects.
- Yeah.
Now...
don't you-- do you think
that during
the course of his, uh--
the interview process,
and they already knew
he wanted to work at Area 51,
and at this point, if they had
done any kind of checking,
they knew that he had been
in contact with you,
or at least had been
in contact with Gene Huff,
who had been
in contact with you,
and that there was
a direct UFO interest
with a publicly known
researcher in the field.
- Yeah.
- Uh, doesn't it...
make sense
that they may have decided
to bring Bob up there
to work near a program
for the express purpose
of leaking information?
We've always thought
that was a possibility.
- Well, that's extraordinary.
- One of the first
security interviews he had,
the-- one
of the first questions was,
"Do you know John Lear
and what's your relationship
with John Lear?"
And he said, "Yes, I know him."
- Uh, I think he sticks with--
- So this did come out.
They did know that
right during the--
- Right from the beginning.
- Right from the beginning.
Now, once Bob
got in the program...
how many times did he
actually go to the test site
to work on the disks?
I don't know, but I was--
it was like eight or ten times.
Eight or ten times.
And this was not like
he would go up to the test site
and stay overnight and work.
This was one-day events.
He would go up one day, uh--
One-day events, and it was, uh--
they usually, uh,
uh, go up in the evening.
Mm-hmm.
And at the very beginning
of all of this,
uh, he didn't actually
get to see the disks
or work on the disks
right from the beginning.
He went through a process
of, uh, um, briefings,
didn't he?
Yes, but I think
the first day he was there,
uh, he saw the disks--
he saw a disk
the first time he was there.
Because, uh, December 6th, 1988
is when he came to my house
after his first trip up there.
- Okay.
- And that's when he said,
"John, I saw a disk today."
And I said, "Theirs or ours?"
And he said, "Theirs."
Now, had-- had Bob,
previous to, uh,
going up to the test site,
now we had established
that there was a relationship
with Bob Lazar and Gene Huff
and that Gene Huff
had contacted you.
When did you first, uh,
get in contact with Bob Lazar?
When did you first
hook up with him?
Over this period, after...
Gene brought him the first time,
Bob would occasionally
drop over to my house
to tell me what was going on
as far as he was checking
at Los Alamos on various things.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he'd come over to the house
- without Gene sometimes.
- Mm-hmm.
And so we had developed
a relationship
where he'd just drop over
and-- and see what was going on
and-- and talk
about what was going on.
Okay.
So now getting back up
to Area 51, and...
isn't it rather bizarre,
don't you think,
that Bob was shown,
uh, briefings
that really didn't have
anything to do
with his objective being there?
And the objective, of course,
to work on the rev--
uh, reverse engineering
of the disk program.
Uh, but they showed him
a lot of other
documents and files
that, uh, had to do with aliens
and biology
and, uh, uh, history and so on.
Can you go into some-- kind of
a menu of this sort of thing?
He was given, uh,
121 briefing documents,
and the reason was
they wanted him
to select what area
he wanted to work in,
because they were not allowed
to switch areas,
nor were they, uh, allowed
to work on two areas at a time.
He had to specifically decide
which area he wanted to work on,
and since he was qualified
in so many different, uh, areas,
um, he had-- he had
his choice of all of them.
But he decided to--
he wanted to work on propulsion.
That's why he was allowed
to see them.
And these briefings weren't
extensive, thorough briefings.
They were, you know, documents
maybe 10-15 pages long...
- Mm-hmm.
- ...uh, to give him an overview.
Sort of an abstract
[indistinct].
And from that, uh,
he was to make his decision
on where
he wanted to specialize.
Now, there-- well, I guess
there were three
primary programs up there
that he had really taken
a good close look at.
One of them was Project Galileo,
which is the one
he ultimately started working on
involving the, uh, reverse
engineering of the disks
or the test flight program
of the-- of the disks.
Uh, there were two others.
Uh, one was, I think,
Project Looking Glass.
- Yeah, and--
- What was that about?
Uh, Project Looking Gas--
uh, Looking Glass
uh, dealt with, uh,
uh, time machines
going forward and going back.
[narrator] If humanity
acquired alien technology,
it wasn't stolen.
It was negotiated.
Every exchange
requires leverage.
Every treaty has terms.
What could Earth possibly trade
with civilizations
capable of bending space-time?
John implies
we offered the only currency
we've ever truly possessed.
Permission.
Permission to operate unseen.
Permission to study us
as a species.
Permission to influence
our evolution
from the corners of perception.
Officials may believe they're
protecting the world from
panic.
Or perhaps they're protecting
something else entirely.
A structure of control
that collapses the moment
the public understands
it is being controlled.
These are not alliances.
We're not equals at the table.
We are a bargaining chip
wrapped in secrecy,
monitored by those
who fear what we might demand,
if we ever knew our worth.
Was that not intriguing to Bob?
I'm surprised he,
you know, hadn't--
didn't select that,
for example, uh, over the--
I guess because his-- his
penchant was for propulsion,
so I guess
that was his selection.
Now, what--
what more can you tell us
about the Project Looking Glass?
I mean, what-- what was the--
what else did he learn
about that project?
Other than that, uh--
I mean, was it--
what was the method
by which they were able
to go back in time?
Was it forward in time
as well or--
Uh, apparently both.
Uh, it's, uh, apparently
much easier to go forward
than it is to go back.
Uh, but they were able--
able to show him
different experiments,
uh, where they could, uh,
uh, keep time from moving.
Uh, you heard
about the experiments
where they had a candle
and they would put it
in this time machine
and the candle would just stay
exactly like it, you know, was.
It wouldn't burn down.
Uh, it-- the-- the flame
just-- just stayed like that.
And he told me that, uh,
they had solved the paradox,
uh, if you go back in time
and kill your father,
will you still be alive?
And he said
the, uh, solution to that was,
yes, you will still be alive,
because time
is compartmentalized.
You can go back in time
and you can kill your father,
but since time
is compartmentalized,
it will not affect
what has already happened.
Hmm. That's interesting.
Um, wasn't-- there was--
seems to me there was
something referenced,
and maybe
it's a different project,
but I remember
him making reference
to, uh, the use of a--
of a gravity lens.
Does that-- now, does that mean
that just looking back in time
or going forward in time,
does that mean you physically
actually go back in time,
take your body
and go back or forward,
o-- or is this something
where it's kind of like
a viewing thing,
where you can view
from a third-party perspective
back in time or forward?
- How is that--
- I think both can occur.
You can go back-- you can
physically go back in time.
Uh, you can, uh,
walk around dinosaurs,
- that kind of thing.
- Hmm.
Uh, but you can also,
uh, look back in time.
They had this little,
uh, device, supposedly,
that you could go back
any amount of years
and-- and actually
look back in time.
As far as the gravity lens,
I think that had something
to do with, uh, the weapon.
- Is that another program?
- That was the other program.
Which was?
I keep trying
to think of the name of it.
Okay.
Uh, well, perhaps you'll--
you'll come up with that.
It seems to me that
there's a very popular program
on, uh, network television
called Quantum Leap,
which, uh, uses a-- a device
where, uh...
in-- the-- the individual,
one of the main characters
in the show,
is able to, uh, go back in time
uh, and be projected
as a hologram.
He's not able to interact
with the environment,
but he's able
to physically be there,
see what's going on,
and has access to this computer
back in his own time
that can give him data
about the, uh,
percentage probabilities
of certain things happening
and so on.
Uh, it seems to me
that the public is being exposed
to some rather
exotic types of technology.
Uh, what are your thoughts
on the prospects
of this kind of a program
really being some form
of an indoctrination
based on information gleaned
from programs
like Project Looking Glass?
It could be.
Uh, we've always felt
that, uh, they're trying
to indoctrinate us.
As a matter of fact,
Bob was under the impression
that part of the reason
they hired him at the test site
was his extensive experience,
uh, in filming and producing.
Um--
Bob had an extensive experience
in filming and producing?
Yeah. He made the--
Can you tell us
a little bit about that?
Well, Bob Lazar made
the first rock video.
Hmm.
Uh, and as a matter of fact,
an MTV's,
uh, anniversary every year,
uh...
- What was that video?
- ...the anniversary they show...
the first rock video made,
and it has his name,
Bob Lazar is the producer.
What was the group?
I'm trying to think what it was,
and I-- I don't remember.
It could have been Blondie,
but I'm not sure.
- Was Blondie going back then?
- Perhaps.
It's possible, I suppose.
I really don't know.
But that's interesting, though.
I mean, you know, if--
if you happen to think of that,
just kind of interject that
at some point.
Uh, that's quite curious.
So...
getting down to the issue
of Bob, uh, selecting,
I find that's rather
interesting itself.
Typically,
if you go for a job interview,
uh, you state the qualifications
that you have,
and they kind of
pick and choose,
well, would you like
to work on this?
But it seems in this case,
almost the reverse has occurred,
where they just laid it all out.
Here's all the programs we have,
which one you want to work on?
That's, uh, rather
extraordinary, don't you think?
The reason was, is, uh--
according to Bob,
he aced the interview.
I mean, he was ahead of them
from the very beginning,
uh, of the question.
He had two or three physicists
firing questions from each side.
Uh, and when they'd-- they'd
bring a question, they'd say,
uh, "Now let's talk ab--
we'd like to discuss infrared."
And he'd say, "Are you
talking about the area 10
to the minus 6th?"
And they'd say, "Oh, well,
we were going to get to that."
And he was just one step ahead
of them the whole way.
Uh, and it was really obviously,
the-- the guy really knew
what he was talking about.
Uh, so they had a guy here
who, you know,
could fit in anywhere.
It wasn't that they said,
"Well, this guy,
you know, he knows
a little bit about this,
but he really looks like
he specialized
in this particular area,
so we'll offer him a job there."
He was so well-rounded
in all areas
that that's why I assume
they laid out all the programs
and he could just pick
where he wanted to go.
[narrator] Area 51 distracts
with airplanes and myths.
S-4 hides relationships.
Imagine a facility built
not to interrogate visitors,
but to receive them.
A place where clearance
doesn't grant knowledge.
It grants audience.
Where the greatest minds
of our species
become students again...
taking instruction from
entities
whose understanding
of physics reduces
our achievements to toys.
In tunnels
carved beneath a dry lake,
humanity may be
quietly negotiating its place
in a much older
cosmic structure.
Not with might,
but with compliance.
This is not an occupied Earth.
This is a managed Earth.
The encounter already happened
and the cover story
is still being written.
S-4 forces us to confront
a chilling thought.
We are not preparing
for contact,
we are honoring it in silence.
Okay, so let's focus
a bit on Project Galileo,
which is the one that
he ultimately chose to work on.
I don't even know
where to begin.
Want-- What was, uh--
When-- when Bob came back
and started talking about it,
he had obviously
reached the point
where he selected this project.
Did he come by
and talk about that?
Did he tell you why
he was interested in that,
or what exactly that entailed?
What was he going to try
to accomplish with this?
I don't think
it was until the third
or fourth time
that he was up there
that he chose
where he was going to work.
Uh, the first night he came,
which was the-- the first night,
uh, that he got back,
he just told me about
seeing the disk,
reading some of the documents,
uh, and we discussed
what he had read.
And it was basically
some very far-out stuff
uh, about the aliens, uh,
uh, where they came from.
He talked about, uh,
uh, some holographic books
that he had to read.
- One was...
- Holographic books?
- Yeah.
- Can you explain that?
What-- what's a holographic
book look like?
It was a book that,
that, uh, had information
on the two cultures,
man and another culture.
And I'm not sure
and clear in my mind
what the other culture was.
But the book was like this,
and then you'd turn it over,
and that was, you know,
it'd have, uh, information
on man and his culture,
and then you'd turn it over,
and it was the other culture,
but as he--
This other culture
being some kind of alien?
- Alien to human, at least?
- [indistinct]
I-- I-- I don't remember exactly
what the other culture was,
but there was two cultures.
But in this book,
it had the history,
uh, from the beginning,
and it had pictures of, uh,
normal, everyday things
like, uh, buildings
or houses many, uh,
many, many hundreds thousands
of years ago.
And he could take the--
you could look at
a picture like this
and just turn
the book a little bit,
and it would project views
all through the house,
how it was made, the walls,
what was behind the wall,
what was the-- in that room
and what was behind that.
And you'd just turn
the-- the picture like that,
and it would show you
all the way through the house.
And it wasn't digital
because you couldn't,
you know,
stop it at any one place,
uh, and, uh, and-- and-- see
where the picture,
uh, stopped and started.
It was just
a continuous look through,
beginning at the outside,
looking through the wall,
into the room,
through that wall
into the next room, like that.
That's extraordinary.
I don't know how this will
come up on-- on TV,
but we've got a hologram here.
That, if we can kind of
zoom in on this,
this is a hologram of a--
of an alien face.
And I'll try
to get the angle right here,
so we'll see how this comes up.
But if you see this, uh,
uh, in person,
you'll get an idea
of how these things work.
I'm sure a lot of people
have seen them.
How's that look on there?
[man] Right there.
- [indistinct]
- And if you rotate it
a little bit like that,
you can see there's kind of
a three-dimensional
quality to it.
- And that is essentially the...
- [John] That would have been
just like that,
except when you turned it,
it would, you know,
show all the way through.
Okay.
All right, now.
This was all part
of the Project Galileo?
- Which part?
- This, the hologram, uh...
No, this was
part of the briefing.
This was part
of the briefing that, uh,
uh, dealt with, uh,
- the historical review...
- Yeah.
Of, uh, of culture,
human culture,
for one,
and then another culture,
which we can't quite define, apparently.
And he was allowed, he--
he just didn't sit once
and read these documents.
It would-- during
the whole time he was up there,
they would give him
30 minutes or 45 minutes
with these documents,
and he could read them
at his leisure.
The December-January 1991 issue
of Technical
Consultant Magazine,
uh, has an article in it,
part of which states that
there is a war going on
between the CIA,
MJ-12, and Aquarius Group,
and a group
inside Naval Intelligence
called COM-12.
We'll see if you have
any knowledge of that,
and over the secrecy
or release of UFO information.
Uh, John, do you have
any knowledge on that?
This is the first
I've heard of this.
No, I just know
that there's always been
an argument within
the intelligence agencies
about releasing the information.
Part of them want it released,
part of them don't.
Who it is that's
in the cover-up, I don't know.
And that goes back
very, very far back,
because in, uh, 1954,
according
to the Gerald Light letter
that came out of Borderland
Sciences Research Foundation,
uh, when President Eisenhower
was apparently
spirited over to Muroc Field
to be exposed to a series,
I think it was
five different disks,
and the, uh,
uh, intelligence
who were involved in the--
in the disk construction were
demonstrating the technology
to, uh, the government
scientists
that they had there.
Uh, it was revealed that, uh,
there was a plan that,
uh, President Eisenhower
was going to go public
sometime in May of 1954,
uh, regarding that,
uh revelation
of extraterrestrial existence
and the technology there.
Uh, that apparently
never happened,
but it did expose that far back,
at least as 1954,
there was
a group of authorities,
as Gerald Light,
uh, pointed out,
uh, that were not
in agreeance in whether or not
this kind of information
should be made public.
And of course, uh,
those of you who have read
the-- the Chesapeake
Connection, uh,
detailed a lot of information
regarding a study conducted,
paid for by NASA,
by the Brookings Institution,
uh, called Proposed Studies
on the Implications
of Peaceful Space Activities
for Human Affairs,
uh, where they addressed
the issue
of a face-to-face contact
with an extraterrestrial
culture,
uh, addressed
a number of problems,
uh, sociological problems,
uh, uh, philosophical
and theological problems,
all associated with the issue
of whether or not
this information should be,
uh, made available
to the general public.
Uh, the conclusion, essentially,
was that it was probably
best not to be made public,
uh, except in a form
of a controlled indoctrination
type of process,
which is apparently
what we're seeing
with a lot of leaks
of information coming out.
We're getting
a lot of, uh, uh, information,
a lot more so now.
[narrator] We once believed
the mind was the brain...
until experiences
proved otherwise.
We once believed
machines required
instruction...
until some
began to anticipate intention.
John hints at craft
that merge technology
with consciousness.
Where the pilot
isn't controlling the vehicle,
the vehicle is collaborating
with the pilot.
This suggests
the soul is not metaphor,
but infrastructure,
a measurable waveform.
A unique signature
in space-time.
Consciousness becomes the most advanced
operating system in existence.
If a civilization
has mastered devices
that recognize
and respond to awareness...
then the human soul
becomes a tool...
a key, a target.
Control shifts from governments
to those who can interface
directly with identity itself.
Know thyself
stops being philosophy...
and becomes security protocol.
And in that moment,
the oldest question
in history changes.
Not what are we...
but who is using us?
What was the single biggest, uh,
piece of evidence
in that experience
that convinced him
that this is absolutely
beyond possibility
non-human made?
I think the, uh,
other than the propulsion,
which he felt
was so far advanced
that it was non-human made,
it was when one afternoon
he went in,
the hangar door was open, uh,
it was in the afternoon,
the sun was at a certain angle
in the sky,
he went into the saucer
and he was in there
for a period of like
two to two and a half hours
uh, working on this,
looking at this
particular thing working,
and when he came out,
it was exactly the same time
as when he went in.
In other words,
the sun hadn't moved,
but he knew
that he had been in there
about two and a half hours.
In order, he explained it as...
the-- the, uh,
saucer was time shifted
and that when you were in there,
time wasn't going to move, uh,
which it didn't because we were
there for two and a half hours.
When he came out,
it was exactly the same time
as when he went in.
And this, now... [stammering]
...the saucer,
the saucer wasn't even live
at the time, was it?
- I mean, it wasn't powered?
- Uh, I don't...
It wasn't flying because
he said he never flew in it.
Uh, no, uh, it was--
it was it was powered, uh...
But in our concept
of being powered,
I'm not sure whether that
it's the same thing
as we think
as it being turned on.
It's not like you go in and turn
on a key or something like that.
I guess it's,
if the, uh, reactor is intact,
it's constantly on [indistinct].
No, I just don't know
that much about it.
I'm not a physicist,
so I can't explain it myself,
but there were times
he said that, uh...
the saucer was essentially,
uh, when it wasn't time shifted,
you could actually bump it
and, and, like, move it.
Uh, but if it was time shifted,
you could not,
under any circumstances move it,
and when you went in it,
uh, time essentially stopped.
[narrator] Secrecy
doesn't just hide what exists.
It erases what could exist.
Every suppressed discovery
is a cure never delivered.
A technology never released.
A future permanently postponed.
If there is a breakaway
civilization
living in the tomorrow
we're told doesn't exist,
then the rest of us are trapped
in the past by design.
This isn't science fiction.
It's policy.
Progress becomes a privilege.
Truth becomes property.
Ignorance becomes infrastructure.
The cost is paid in potential.
Dreams unfulfilled.
Genius unexplored.
Civilizations denied
the tools to ascend.
We are told that disclosure
would cause mass panic.
But what if the panic
belongs not to the public,
but to the elite
who would lose control
the moment we understand
the power we were born with?
Fear is their language.
Silence is their weapon.
But curiosity is our rebellion.
Boy, that would be a great asset
to have for doing studies.
I mean, I can't--
I can't imagine how many times
I've wished I could stop time
just so I could catch up
and get all the things done
I wanted to get done.
That would certainly be, uh,
uh, a pretty good application,
at least for us,
for something like that, uh.
One of the things,
uh, of contention,
and, hu, Bob Lazar has come out
with this video now
where he explains
the technology,
and I'm sure
a lot of people have seen
the, uh, uh, the...
methodology
by which, uh, Bob explains
how these craft operate,
the use of creating
a gravitational field
and having it focused.
And if you want to go
from point A to point B,
you create an intensified
gravitational wave on point B,
warp the space in between and...
the-- the problem that I'm
getting back from physicists
who are looking at this
as an explanation,
uh, there are
quite a number of issues
that they've raised
about, you know,
well, it looks like
you're obtaining free energy
somewhere
or something like that.
Uh, but the big issue
is, okay, if that's true...
what determines whether
you go to point B
when you shut this thing off
or go back to point A
where-- where you started?
What, you know, there must be
some mechanism in which all--
In other words, there's a lot of
holes in the explanation.
Do you feel that, uh,
you can at this point try
to fill in any of these gaps?
Do you think you understand
this technology, uh,
to-- to any degree
that-- that suggests to you
that it's in effect workable?
No, I don't know
that much about it.
I can explain it
about like you just did.
- Mm-hmm.
- Uh...
But I couldn't get
into a detailed explanation
with a physicist and say,
"Yes, this is how it works,
this is why it works.
Now let me
answer your question."
- Mm-hmm.
- I couldn't do that.
Well, we can establish one
that the disks are real.
They use an exotic technology.
They are capable of doing some
rather extraordinary things,
even from a third-party
observer viewpoint
where we're limited
to what we can see
within our, uh,
limited dimension
and limited
understanding of physics.
Uh, I guess
the question would be, uh,
is it possible
that Bob was given
a false understanding,
for some reason,
of the technology,
and he is out now
releasing this information
uh, that perhaps
isn't even accurate?
Is that possible in your mind?
We've always felt
that was possible.
We've always felt that there was
no satisfactory explanation
as to how I could have been,
uh, so interested in UFOs
in the summer of '88
and just happened to have met,
uh, a scientist
who, four months later,
just happened to have been able
to work on flying saucers
and then just happens
to come to my house
and tells me all this stuff.
There-- It-- it really
just doesn't make sense.
That's the way it happened.
Oh, you know, I was very
satisfied with the issue that,
one, uh, Bob Lazar is not lying.
He's telling
what he believes
to be the facts
as he knows them.
But I can't quite let go
of my visit
to Everett Hineman,
the Deputy Director
for Science and Technology
at CIA in Langley, Virginia,
the headquarters building,
and I had asked him
about Bob Lazar
and about the test flight
program at S-4
and asked
if he could look into that.
Actually, I was trying to see
if he could identify,
uh, Dennis Mariani...
uh, who was Bob Lazar's boss
at the test site.
And I think that, uh...
it was two weeks later
when Everett Hineman
called me back and I asked him,
were you able to substantiate
the, uh, issues I had raised
while I was in there
regarding Bob Lazar and S-4?
And, uh, anyway,
bottom line was that he said,
"No, this is--
I talked to some folks
and it didn't-- didn't
indicate that it wasn't true.
What he said was,
I come to different
conclusions than you do."
He wasn't aware that I'd
offered any conclusions per se
relative to that, but I thought
it was a very
interesting comment
that clearly suggested that,
yes, there was a program,
it involved Bob Lazar somehow,
and, uh, the fact that
we come to different conclusions
than they did or he did,
uh, would clearly suggest
that maybe there was, you know,
a real point behind this
whole thing that involved Bob.
And the point was to,
uh, for whatever purpose,
leak information.
Whether that information
is disinformation
or genuine information, uh,
it has accomplished
one thing clearly
and that has been
extraordinarily
thought-provoking
and has opened our eyes
to the prospects
and possibilities
of exotic technologies
far beyond
what science has even bothered
to take a look at.
And since that time
with Bob Lazar,
I've also found that some of
the things that Bob brought up,
issues about
element 115, I mean,
we've been still stuck
talking about the prospects
of coming up
with element 105 and 106
and how they were just,
you know, fleeting half-lives
that appeared for microseconds,
uh, and it-- it was gone.
How could it be that you could
have a, you know, solid object,
as it were, that was an element
that's in this high a range,
uh, the-- the stability factor.
And Bob had come
right out and said
that there was an island
of stability, uh,
after you reach a certain level
climbing up the periodic chart.
Just go look in your, uh,
encyclopedia and you'll see
a list of periodic
chart of the elements
if you don't remember from back
in your old high school days
or new high school days,
if that happens to be the case.
Uh...
And-- and you'll see
that, uh, the periodic chart
doesn't go up very high,
not-- certainly not up
into the teens and so on.
But most recently,
we've seen some
technical documentation
out of the scientific community
that really is, it's amazing.
The only thing that, uh,
is somewhat
of a-- of difference
from what Bob Lazar has said
is that Bob indicated
that, uh, we couldn't even
synthesize element 115
on this planet
because it would require
such an enormous
amount of energy
that you would have to go, uh,
uh, a binary star system
or someplace where there was
a supernova-type explosion
in order for this
to have occurred.
Uh...
The issue of contention
there now is that
it seems that there has been
a good bit of research done
in the last couple of years,
probably even while Bob
was at the test site,
and we're not talking about
just the United States,
this is European
research as well,
uh, where they have been
experimenting
with super-heavy elements
in the 112, 114, 116 range.
So I think it should be
established that, you know,
although it seems to be
new physics
that Bob's talking about,
there has been some very, uh,
uh, traditional science,
in other words,
not at the test site,
not in super secrecy,
but in, uh,
traditional university science
where they've been
experimenting with these.
Yeah, but you have to understand
that that information
on supposedly working
with 112 and 113 and 114,
that information only came out
after Bob started talking
about it [indistinct].
That's correct. That's, uh--
It is, uh, very new information.
- It's just come out in 1992.
- So it's kind of--
It's kind of after the fact.
Oh, yes, yeah, I'm sure
we were doing that, uh...
No, but what I'm,
my point simply is is that
it tends to validate
what Bob was saying
because nobody before Bob
had mentioned it publicly,
nobody certainly in the public
domain had any knowledge
whatsoever about the prospects
of a heav-- super-heavy element
much less there being some
kind of an island of stability.
Now there is, uh
research and again,
this plays into the hand of,
okay, if we know these,
that we've got projects,
uhm research going on
where we're going to start
talking about this thing,
uh, it certainly, uh, indicates
that somebody was really,
really jumping the gun
exposing Bob to this
and maybe even knowing
that he was going to
come forward with this
before any of the scientific
papers ever came out
on the street
and became public knowledge.
So, uh, again,
we're-- we're talking about,
uh, some of the information
that Bob was given
clearly is valid information
because now we can support,
uh, the contention
that element 115
clearly is a possibility.
Whether it came
from some other world
or whether
it's manufactured, uh, here
through some advanced program
that we've not been made
privileged to,
it is indeed a possibility,
which opens up the possibilities
of several
of the other things going on.
Now, let's move on
to something else.
John, uh, you were
one of the first ones
way back in 1987
to start talking about,
uh, the Dulce Base projects, uh,
revelations
of an underground facility
in the Archuleta Mesa area
near the Jicarilla
Apache Indian, uh, Reservation.
Uh, what have you
learned about that?
How do you stand on that now?
What is, uh, the accepted, uh...
Now I know Paul Bennewitz
fits into this somehow.
Uh, where did you get
that information to start
and where do we stand
on all of that now?
Uh, the first information
that the Dulce Base exists,
which is a, uh...
reportedly, uh, jointly occupied
underground base between, uh.
CIA, if you will,
and the aliens, the Greys.
Uh, that information
came from Bennewitz.
Uh, shortly after that,
uh, I was in a meeting
with several, uh,
UFO researchers up in Crestone,
in the Sangre
de Cristo Mountains,
and was handed a letter
by one of them that he received
from a lady
in Las Vegas, Nevada,
uh, that said
that she had a friend
that worked
at an underground base,
uh, specifically Dulce,
and, uh...
that she had pictures
uh, and wanted
to talk to somebody about it.
Well, as is usually the case,
time will tell.
Thanks for joining us.
[narrator] We comfort
ourselves with progress.
New phones,
new rockets, new cures.
Believing each advancement
marks the height
of our achievement.
But what if these
are only the crumbs of a feast
happening behind locked doors?
What if the true
acceleration of humanity
has been diverted
into a private timeline,
guarded by those
who benefit from control
more than uplift?
Imagine a civilization
that has mastered gravity.
That travels without
propulsion.
That understands time
not as a direction
but as an accessible landscape.
Picture medicine
that regrows lost organs,
erases trauma...
and extends life to centuries,
not theoretically,
but routinely.
Envision energy
drawn freely from space itself.
Abundant enough
to erase economies
built on scarcity.
Such a civilization
may already exist.
Not light years away,
but behind a security badge.
This isn't science fiction.
It is classified
science fact...
decades ahead
of what the public sees.
We aren't waiting
for the future.
We are waiting for permission.
Perhaps what we call conspiracy
is merely
unauthorized knowledge.
And the real conspiracy
is convincing billions
to believe
they have reached the peak
of what is possible...
while a select few already
live beyond those limits.
John Lear's testimony
challenges not
our intelligence,
but our obedience.
We are taught to reject ideas
that do not come
from approved authorities.
Yet those same authorities
rely on secrecy
to maintain their dominance.
Denial does not erase
existence.
Silence does not erase
presence.
The absence of permission does
not mean the absence of truth.
Somewhere, engines powered
by the fabric of reality itself
are taking flight.
Somewhere,
an intelligence older and wiser
walks among us
without recognition.
And somewhere,
a version of humanity
has already
stepped into the stars,
leaving the rest of us
squinting at the sky,
unaware of what we are missing.
Maybe disclosure
isn't a revelation.
Maybe it is a realization,
a shift that begins
not with governments,
but with individuals who refuse
to let fear decide what is
real.
John Lear
was one of those individuals.
And as long as there are people
who continue to ask,
to doubt the official silence,
and to wonder...