Evolution vs. God: Shaking the Foundations of Faith (2013) Movie Script
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(Ray Comfort)
You're an atheist?
I am definitely
an atheist, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
Why are you an atheist?
Why am I an atheist?
Because there is no God.
Atheism assumes that you can
disprove the existence of a God.
Agnostic is a more correct term,
but I'm an atheist.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you an atheist?
- Yeah.
- I am an atheist, yeah.
- I am, yes.
- I am.
(Ray Comfort)
So you're not an atheist?
No, I'm not.
(Ray Comfort)
So you're leaning that way
because of evolution?
Yeah.
I don't believe in the,
there's a guy in the sky
that lives in the sky.
- You believe in evolution?
- Of course I do, yes.
(male narrator)
"Live Science" says
of Darwinian evolution:
"It can turn dinosaurs
into birds, apes into humans
and amphibious mammals
into whales."
What Darwin showed
in his work on evolution
and natural selection
is that we don't need to invoke
any supernatural
force or power
to account for the development
of life through time on earth.
The ongoing processes that
are observable in today's world.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think it's a belief?
I think it's just fact.
I think more like facts.
There is too much
evidence to ignore.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think it's a belief?
- No, it's science.
- It's the way it happened.
It's logical.
You know, all the scientists
pretty much agree with it.
It's more of a fact.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you
start to believe?
When I started
to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you
start believing?
When I took my first
biology class.
It all started
to make a lot of sense.
The teacher made it
very easy to understand.
I generally trust
the scientific community.
It makes more sense
than any religion or anything.
The fossils they have found
of all the cavemen,
the Homo sapiens, dinosaurs--
it shows clear evidence.
I believe in science.
(Ray Comfort)
What's your major here
at this university?
Biology.
- You're a biology major?
- Yeah.
- You believe in evolution?
- Yes.
- What's your major?
- Geology.
- Chemistry.
- Biochemistry.
Environmental science
and policy.
I'm a physicist.
Biochemistry.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, do you believe
in evolution?
Yes, I do.
- Do you believe in evolution?
- Yes, I do.
- Of course.
- Yes, I do.
I do believe in evolution.
- You believe in evolution?
- Yes.
- Are you a strong believer?
- Yes.
- Are you a strong believer?
- Yep.
- Yes.
- Yes.
Absolutely.
(narrator)
A Scientific method
is based on "the collection
of data through observation
and experimentation."
-Science Daily
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
some observable evidence
that evolution is true?
Something I don't have to
receive by faith?
- Yeah.
- Some observable evidence?
I mean, take a look at what
happened 65 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort)
Hang on, I can't,
that's 65 million years ago.
I believe, yeah,
millions of years.
(Ray Comfort)
So that can't be observed.
We can trace the evolution
through the fossil record.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you be specific,
just give me one?
Between 6 and 7 million
years ago.
Hundreds of thousands
to millions of years.
- So it's quite a long time.
- Yes.
- Millions of years?
- Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
So it can't be observed?
Evolution is not
testable over time.
(narrator)
"We are condemned
to live only for a few decades
and that's too slow,
too small a time scale
to see evolution going on,"
Richard Dawkins.
"We see nothing of these
slow changes in progress,
until the hand of time has
marked the lapse of ages..."
Charles Darwin.
(Ray Comfort)
You've got the canine kind:
the coyote and the domestic dog;
and there's the feline kind:
which is the cats,
the tiger, and the kitten;
and you've got humankind.
So Darwin said
there'd be a change of kinds
over many years,
so could you give me one
example of observable evidence
of a change of kinds?
So for instance,
the fossil record shows
the common ancestors
of all carnivores,
that cats and dogs
were once linked,
united by a common ancestor.
(Ray Comfort)
How long ago?
This, I believe, was, like,
60 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort)
I don't want something
that I have to accept by faith.
I want it to be observable.
Observable evidence.
Well, I mean, if you're just
asking me here on the street,
there's really
not much I can tell you
in terms
of observable evidence.
Like, we would have to
really examine existing data
to draw conclusions of our own.
(Ray Comfort)
We would have to
have faith, then?
We would have to have
some amount of faith.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think
of any observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution,
where he said there'd
be a change of kind?
(male)
Like a monkey to a man, is
that what you're talking about?
(Ray Comfort)
Yeah, a change of kinds.
I don't really believe
there's any proof for that yet.
Well, monkeys
are the only ones
with the fifth digit
like we have.
(Ray Comfort)
Koalas have a fifth digit.
Did you know that?
(female)
I didn't know that.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think we're
evolved from koalas?
No.
I went to, like,
Washington, D.C.
I saw they had a whole exhibit
just on the--
- In the Smithsonian?
- Yeah, in the Smithsonian.
(Ray Comfort)
I went to that. It's just
like some stuffed dummies,
like standing around a fire.
I know that everyone
talks about the missing link
for humans and whatnot.
I believe that there are
connections that are out there
that we haven't found yet.
I'm going to trust
what those experts did,
those experts came up with.
I have a strong trust
in evolutionary ideas
based on the
evidence presented.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of any
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
I haven't seen it myself,
but I believe what the textbooks
tell me about it, so.
(Ray Comfort)
You've got faith
in the experts?
I have faith
in the experts, yeah.
I guess similar to how
religious people have faith
that God actually exists,
I have faith in the experts
knowing what
they're talking about.
(Ray Comfort)
The scientific method is it must
be observable and repeatable,
so could you give me one
piece of observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution?
Okay, I would point to--
there's one great example
is look at the genetics
of the stickleback.
(Ray Comfort)
What's that?
So stickleback fish are
a very interesting collection
of species
that were recently isolated
after the end
of the Ice Age.
(Ray Comfort)
What have they become?
They're various species
of sticklebacks.
(Ray Comfort)
They stayed as fish?
Well, of course.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of
any observable evidence
where there was
a change of kinds?
Fish.
Human beings
are still fish.
(Ray Comfort)
Human beings are fish?
Why, yes,
of course they are.
(Ray Comfort)
How long did that take?
Couple billions of years,
millions.
- Couple millions?
- Yep.
- How is that observable?
- It's not.
We came out
of the ground as a mammal,
and one mammal created--
(Ray Comfort)
Come out of the ground?
Didn't we
come out of the sea?
Huh? Well, initially
in the beginning,
we came out of
the ground and the sea.
After the
great destruction of the--
(Ray Comfort)
So did we have lungs or gills
when we came out of the sea?
You want to know something?
Those that were in the sea
I guess had gills,
and those that
were on land had lungs.
(Ray Comfort)
But if we came out of the sea,
we had gills in the sea?
You want to know something?
Who knows that we came out
of the sea or we came out of--
we evolved from mammals?
- So you don't know?
- Huh? Of course I don't know.
I'm accepting that they
did their science correctly.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me an example
of Darwinian evolution,
not adaptation or speciation,
but a change of kinds?
[laughing]
These are changes of kinds.
(Ray Comfort)
They're still fish.
They're distinctly
different fish.
We have thousands
of examples.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you give me one?
- I can give you thousands.
- Just one.
For instance,
I would say look at Lenski's
experiments in bacteria, then.
(Ray Comfort)
So what have
the bacteria become?
The bacteria are
still bacteria, of course.
(Ray Comfort)
So that's not
Darwinian evolution.
That's not
a change of kinds, is it?
It is a change in the
genetic makeup of the bacteria.
(Ray Comfort)
But they're still bacteria.
So what have
the bacteria become?
A new kind of bacteria.
(Ray Comfort)
It's still bacteria.
There's no change of kinds.
To summarize, the observable
evidence that you give me
for Darwinian evolution
is bacteria becoming bacteria.
No, it is bacteria acquiring
new metabolic capabilities.
(Ray Comfort)
You said before that there was
lots of evidence for evolution.
I just want one
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution.
Just one.
But I gave you some.
You don't want--
(Ray Comfort)
Not some.
I want one.
Wait, you don't want that.
(Ray Comfort)
I want one.
Yes, I do.
I'm pleading with people.
You asked me to tell you--
you asked me to tell you
when I've watched one species
evolve into another.
Isn't that right?
(Ray Comfort)
No, one kind into another.
There's 14 different
definitions of species,
so I want a change of kind.
When you're talking about
kinds or change in families,
you're actually talking
about macroevolution.
You're talking about changes
on the level that separates,
say, cats from dogs.
(Ray Comfort)
So could you give me any
examples of Darwinian evolution?
Well, when you say
examples of that,
then you have to sort of look
at it over a longer time frame.
It has nothing
to do with faith.
Faith is something
that I have to--unseen,
I have to believe it.
(Ray Comfort)
That's it, unseen.
Look, do you
believe evolution?
Of course I do.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a believer
in evolution?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you start
to believe evolution?
I started
to believe evolution
when I started
to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort)
Is evolution a belief?
Evolu--
well, you know something?
Evolution
is a thought process.
It's this coming-to-terms
and checking out
all the alternatives.
Like, taking a looking at the
religion, man-made religions.
(Ray Comfort)
Let me ask you again.
Is evolution a belief?
No, evolution is--
well, yeah.
In a word, yeah, I could say
it could be a belief.
When you say change of kinds,
do you mean
the evolution of one species
from another or to another?
Yes, we have that in action,
actually, in the Galapagos.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
one instance?
Yes, we have an example
from a group of birds
called Darwin's finches.
You take a look at
the difference between
the finches on the islands
that all started out,
I mean, that's
very, very observable.
(Ray Comfort)
But that's not
Darwinian evolution.
There's been
no change of kinds.
What have the finches become?
They become genetically new
and anatomically new,
recognizably different species.
(Ray Comfort)
So they're still finches?
Well, of course
they're still finches, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
So there's
no change of kind.
Little birds
that he had observed that--
(Ray Comfort)
What did they become?
Their beaks,
their beak shapes, they're--
- They're still birds.
- Yes.
Three finches that turn
into different types
of birds, based on--
(Ray Comfort)
They're still finches.
Well, for example,
Darwin and his study
on evolution
of the birds on the island
that he went onto there.
- Their beaks changed?
- Their beaks--
(Ray Comfort)
But they're still birds.
There's no change of kinds.
That's within the kind.
No, no, no, it's just
evolution on the beaks.
(Ray Comfort)
So that's called adaptation.
That's not
Darwinian evolution.
There's no change of kinds.
There's no different
animal involved.
I want something
that shows me
Darwin's belief in the
change of kinds is scientific.
Darwin spoke of
a change of kind.
Can you think of any
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution where
there's a change of kind?
Change of kind,
change of kind...
I'm going to have to think
about that one a little longer.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you give me anything that
I can see, observe, and test,
which is the scientific method,
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Test and observe...
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
observable evidence,
which is the scientific method,
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Okay, I got to think about it.
So you want
the evidence of it?
I would say...
[sighing]
I cannot, I think.
It's a hard question, actually.
So, can you repeat
the question again?
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me any
observable evidence, just one,
for Darwinian evolution?
Let me think about that
for a sec.
(Ray Comfort)
Observable evidence,
something where we
don't have to exercise faith?
Something that
can be observed,
like the scientific process,
observable?
That's a good question.
That one I'm not quite sure.
(Ray Comfort)
So you can't think of any
observable evidence
for evolution?
- No.
- How do you know it's true?
I'm not sure.
(Ray Comfort)
So Darwinian evolution
is not observable?
It's not scientific?
I guess so.
(Ray Comfort)
So it's unscientific.
You can't prove it.
It is scientific actually.
You could prove it.
It could be proven, just--
(Ray Comfort)
Do it for me.
Ah, that's hard.
I don't--
that's just too broad of a--
(Ray Comfort)
It's unobservable,
that's why.
You need millions of years.
Yes, exactly.
(Ray Comfort)
You're trusting
the biology majors
and the biology professors
know what
they're talking about,
and they can't even give me
evidence of a change of kinds.
Well, then, there isn't one.
If they don't give it,
then I wouldn't say there was.
I just go on what I've seen
and what
I've learned from class.
- So you believe?
- Yeah.
- You know what that's called?
- What?
- Blind faith.
- Blind faith.
(narrator)
"Faith is the great cop-out,
the great excuse
to evade the need to think
and evaluate evidence,"
Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in intelligent design?
Of course not.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think everything
is intelligently designed?
No, I don't believe that things
are intelligently designed.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, you seem like
an intelligent person,
so I'm going to
ask you something.
I'd like you to
make me a rose, okay?
How would you make a rose?
I don't have
the capabilities to do that.
(Ray Comfort)
No, hang on, now,
it's not intelligently designed,
so you should be able to
whip me up a rose real quick.
Do you believe a rose
is intelligently designed?
Definitely not.
In order for me
to know what to make,
I have to know
what a rose is.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, it's got a seed.
So you've got to
start with nothing
and you've got to create
a seed from nothing.
- Oh.
- Can you do that?
No, I can't.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you make
a rose from nothing?
No.
Can't really make something
from nothing.
It's just basic,
you know, science.
- A rose from nothing?
- A rose.
Just like--
I can't, honestly.
(Ray Comfort)
Why not?
Me? I just have
no supernatural abilities.
(Ray Comfort)
All the geniuses in the world
can't make a grain of sand
from nothing.
We don't know where to start.
- I can't.
- Why not?
I don't have millions,
billions of years.
That would be
physically impossible.
I mean, I would have to--
that's not possible.
(Ray Comfort)
So how could you say
everything is not
intelligently designed?
Where does that leave you
on the scale of intelligence
if you say everything
is not intelligently designed,
and you can't
even make a rose?
Why do you think
there's no one teaching
intelligent design at UCLA?
(Ray Comfort)
'Cause
they're not allowed to.
We can teach
anything we want.
(narrator)
There's a reason
intelligent design isn't taught
in our learning institutions.
According to physicist
Victor Stenger,
"The legal staff of
Freedom From Religion Foundation
[a church-state watchdog group]
has had remarkable success
in convincing many institutions
such as school boards
and town councils
that they are breaking
constitutional law
when they sponsor
sectarian activities."
That includes
intelligent design.
"When the authorities
can't be convinced,
Freedom From Religion
Foundation sues,
and it wins
more often than not."
(Ray Comfort)
There was nothing
in the beginning.
Big explosion of nothing
that became something,
and then
it came into a rose,
and giraffes
and horses and cows.
I'm not saying
that that's what happened.
I'm just saying
I don't know what happened.
That's what scientists
have theorized has happened.
(Ray Comfort)
And you believe them?
- To a point.
- So you've got faith.
That is true, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
a definition of vestigials?
How does that
back up evolution?
Vestigial is--it's like--
I'm not a biologist,
so I'm kind of fuzzy here,
but it's like a remaining
organ that is not used.
Like for instance,
our appendix.
Rabbits have a huge appendix
for digestion of grass.
We still have
a vestigial appendix.
(Ray Comfort)
You mean the appendix
has no use?
Which we can
think of right now.
Your coccyx bone
that was, you know,
many people regard that
as the tail of the humans.
(Ray Comfort narrating)
The human tailbone
is said to be vestigial.
That is,
it's an evolutionary leftover
proving that we're
related to primates.
However, it's not a tailbone,
it's the coccyx vertebrae.
"The tailbone derived its name
because some people believe
it's a 'leftover' part
from human evolution,
though the notion
that the tailbone
serves no purpose is wrong."
"The coccyx is an extremely
important source of attachment
for tendons,
ligaments, and muscles..."
Evolutionists also claim
that the appendix is vestigial,
but it's not.
The appendix is actually part
of the human immune system.
According
to Scientific American,
"For years,
the appendix was credited
with very little
physiological function.
We now know, however,
that the appendix serves
an important role in the fetus
and in young adults.
Among adult humans,
the appendix is now thought
to be involved primarily
in the immune functions."
I would consider myself
an atheist, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think
of any famous atheists?
I believe
Neil deGrasse Tyson.
(Ray Comfort)
Neil deGrasse Tyson said:
"I can't agree to the claims
by atheists
that I'm one of that community."
(Ray Comfort)
Can you name a few?
Famous atheists.
Apparently not.
Start with Isaac Newton.
(narrator)
Isaac Newton said,
"The most beautiful system
of the sun, planets and comets,
could only proceed
from the counsel
and dominion of an intelligent
and powerful Being."
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of
any famous atheists?
Yeah. No.
- A famous atheist?
- Yeah, a famous atheist.
Yeah, my dad.
(Ray Comfort)
He's not famous.
[laughing]
(Ray Comfort narrating)
Skeptics' websites
often include examples
of famous atheists
in an attempt to win converts.
But more often than not,
the famous personalities cited
are not actually atheists.
This is a popular atheist poster
on which are Ernest Hemingway,
Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan,
Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson,
Benjamin Franklin,
Albert Einstein,
and Charles Darwin,
along with the words:
"Atheism, good enough
for these idiots."
Clearly, atheism
is for intellectuals.
But one moment.
Abraham Lincoln
wasn't an atheist.
He said,
"I know that the Lord
is always on
the side of the right.
But it's my constant anxiety and
prayer that I and this nation
should be
on the Lord's side."
Neither was Carl Sagan.
He clearly stated,
"I am an agnostic."
Mark Twain hated religion, but
he certainly wasn't an atheist,
saying, "None of us
can be as great as God,
but any of us
can be as good."
Benjamin Franklin said,
"God governs
in the affairs of men."
You'll find Thomas Edison
listed on Celebrity Atheists,
on Positive Atheism,
and other atheist websites,
but he wasn't an atheist.
He said, "There is a great
directing head of people
and things--
a Supreme Being
who looks after the destinies
of the world."
Thomas Jefferson said,
"Say nothing of my religion.
It is known to myself
and my God alone."
Albert Einstein rejected
the Bible as the Word of God,
and said that the Creator
was unknowable,
and that God
being personal was childlike.
He lamented, "In view of such
harmony in the cosmos which I,
with my limited
human understanding,
am able to recognize,
there are yet people
who say there is no God.
But what really makes me
angry is that they quote me
to support such views."
He categorically said,
"I am not an atheist,"
and when referring to those
who deny the Creator,
he used the term
"fanatical atheists."
Charles Darwin said,
"I have never been an atheist."
So out of the eight
famous men on the poster,
there is only one who was
an atheist: Ernest Hemingway.
According to his biographer,
back in 1961, Hemingway, quote,
"pushed two shells into
the twelve-gauge Boss shotgun,
put the end of the barrel
into his mouth,
pulled the trigger
and blew out his brains."
There's your poster boy
when it comes to atheism.
Keep in mind that
even though some of these men
claim to believe in God,
it doesn't necessarily
mean that they're believers
in the one true Creator
revealed in the Scriptures,
or that they're
genuine Christians.
However, when atheists
use theists or agnostics
to promote
their godless agenda,
they're being dishonest.
Then again, coming
from those who claim
that morality
is relative to each person,
convenient dishonesty
should not be a surprise.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in moral absolutes?
No, I do not.
(Ray Comfort)
Is rape wrong?
Rape is wrong
in our culture, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
Is rape always wrong?
It depends
on your beginnings.
If you say that you have a
respect for other human beings,
then yes,
rape is always wrong.
(Ray Comfort)
So there are
moral absolutes?
Is rape absolutely wrong?
In my opinion, it is.
(Ray Comfort)
So who makes the rules?
We do.
(Ray Comfort)
So if Hitler made the rules
and he had the majority?
If Hitler
made the rules, yes,
we would be
living in a society
that Hitler
would consider moral,
but which I would not
consider moral.
(Ray Comfort)
Did Hitler put into practice
survival of the fittest?
- No.
- What was he doing, then?
He was murdering people.
(Ray Comfort)
But that's survival
of the fittest.
No, that's not
survival of the fittest.
(Ray Comfort)
It is, it's the lion
eating the antelope.
No, there's much more
to evolution
than just this kind of crude
"kill and be killed" model
that you
have in your head.
(Ray Comfort)
But I have seen a quote
from Richard Dawkins saying,
"Evolution in its rawest
is incredibly cruel."
It is, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
That was Hitler putting
evolution into practice.
That does not mean
it was moral.
(Ray Comfort)
It was immoral.
Nobody's claiming that
evolution is a moral process.
Evolution is a very harsh
and cruel process.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in evolution?
- Yes, I do.
- Do you have a dog?
- Yes.
- Love your dog?
I do love my dog.
Yes, I do.
I love animals.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, well, your pet dog
and your rotten neighbor
are drowning.
You can only
save one of them.
Who would you save?
Hmm, that is a tough one.
I can only save one?
(Ray Comfort)
Why are you hesitating?
I think
I would save my dog.
I don't know why
I'm really hesitating.
Because, I don't know,
I feel like people would
see me as a bad person
if I said the dog.
I'll save my dog.
(Ray Comfort)
So is your neighbor
not worth saving?
Well, he's not worth saving
more than my dog is.
I'd go with the dog.
I mean, you would want
to save the animal.
So I would
want to save my dog.
Well, we're animals.
I believe we're all equal.
I don't think humans have
like, a higher, like, place.
(Ray Comfort)
So you think dogs are more
valuable than human beings?
Do you believe in evolution?
Yes, I do.
(Ray Comfort)
So it's just a matter
of survival of the fittest.
Your neighbor's a primate,
and you've got a canine,
and you like the canine more
than you like the primate.
Would that be right?
Pretty much, yeah.
I mean, it's survival
of the fittest, I mean--
- Survival of the fittest?
- Yeah, pretty much.
(Ray Comfort)
You said you believe
in evolution.
So it's just a matter
of survival of the fittest?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
If he drowns,
he drowns, big deal.
Oh, well yeah,
that is true.
- Are you an atheist?
- Yeah.
(narrator)
"Any fetus is less human than
an adult pig," Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort)
So you don't think God exists?
More like I know.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you comfortable talking
about spiritual things?
I don't know
much about them,
because they're not
really capable of knowledge.
Once we're dead, we stop that,
we stop actually living.
(Ray Comfort)
How do you know?
Because it's just
what the facts are.
Like, if you
stopped breathing right now,
you'd be considered dead.
(Ray Comfort)
Jacob, if you were a car
and your motor got turned off,
that would be right,
that's inanimate.
But you're a living,
biological human being
with the life of God in you.
We are a mechanical being
because we have
different parts that--
- Is there no life in you?
- Yes, there's life in me.
(Ray Comfort)
That's your soul.
Okay, can you
handle some questions?
They're pretty
pointed questions.
- Sure.
- Are you a good person?
(Ray Comfort)
Are you going
to make it to heaven?
I would like to think so.
Do I think
I'm a good person? Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a good person,
morally?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
you're a good person?
Yes.
I like to believe so, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
How many lies have you told
in your whole life?
I wouldn't be able to count.
I don't know
if I could remember.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you
be honest with me?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
How many lies do you think
you've told in your whole life?
Oh, quite a few.
- Countless.
- Uncountable.
(Ray Comfort)
What would you call me
if I told lots of lies?
Countless lies, you'd call me
a liar, wouldn't you?
Of course.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you call someone
who's told thousands of lies?
- A liar.
- So what are you?
I'm a liar.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever stolen
something in your whole life,
even if it's small?
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever taken something
that belonged to someone else?
- Of course.
- Sure.
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort)
That's called theft.
- So what are you?
- A liar and a thief.
I'm a liar and a thief.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
Oh, every day.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
Oh, all the time.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
[bleep] probably so.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
- Yep.
- I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort)
That's called blasphemy.
It's very serious to use
God's name as a cuss word.
I don't believe in blaspheming,
since I don't believe in God.
So if you don't believe in God,
how can you blaspheme?
(Ray Comfort)
Well, if I don't
believe in certain laws
and still violate them,
ignorance of the law
is no excuse.
So we're still guilty,
even though we deny a law exists
or we even
don't know about it.
One to go, and I appreciate
your honesty, Jacob.
Jesus said if you look
at a woman and lust for her,
you commit adultery
with her in your heart.
Have you ever looked
at a woman with lust?
Why, yes, I look at many women
with lust in my heart.
Of course.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever
looked at a guy with lust?
- With lust?
- Lust.
- Oh, yeah.
- Sure.
Not recently.
I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you having sex
outside of marriage?
No, not yet.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you
looking at pornography?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
You're lusting
after women, you see.
Have you ever
looked at a woman with lust?
Absolutely.
(Ray Comfort)
So Peter, by your own admission,
you're a lying thief,
a blasphemer,
and an adulterer at heart,
and that's only four
of the Ten Commandments.
What I'm saying to you
is just not believing in hell
doesn't make it go away.
A judge must see that justice
is done if he's a good judge,
and it's the same with God.
If we die in our sins,
God will give us justice.
The Bible says no thief,
no liar, no fornicator,
no blasphemer, no adulterer
will inherit the kingdom of God.
So Julia, if you died in your
sins and God gave you justice
because He's holy and perfect
morally, you'd end up in hell,
and I'd hate
that to happen to you.
Man, would you sell one
of your eyes for $1 million?
- Probably not, no.
- Both for $100 million?
No, I value
seeing too much.
(Ray Comfort)
See how precious
your eyes are to you,
how much more precious
is your life, and you're saying,
"I don't care if I get damned
from all that which is good"?
Of course you care.
You've got a will to live.
Now, let me tell you something
you know intuitively.
You know that creation
is proof of the Creator.
God's given you that light.
We don't have proof
of the Creator.
- Yes, we do.
- We don't, actually.
(Ray Comfort)
I have in inside story.
I have a whistleblower
and it tells me
that you know God exists,
and the reason
you choose evolution
is because it gets rid
of moral accountability.
It does not get rid
of moral accountability.
(Ray Comfort)
It does, it means
your primal instincts,
lust and pornography,
and fornication, adultery,
are all just primal instincts.
That's all.
You're just an animal.
The Bible demands
moral accountability
and says
those things are wrong,
and that's why
it's not acceptable to you.
That's why you're
not seeking after truth.
Am I wrong?
Let's see.
- Am I wrong?
- I think you're wrong.
(Ray Comfort)
I say that you know
intuitively that creation
is proof of the Creator.
God has given you
that inner light,
so when you look at the genius
of God's creative hand,
you know He exists
because of creation.
You are a unique human being,
made in the image of God
with a sense of justice
and truth and righteousness.
God gave you a conscience.
It's inherent.
It's shaped by society,
but it's inherent.
You know right from wrong.
You've violated His law,
and I don't want you
to end up in hell.
James, if you put your finger
on it, and see if we can,
your struggle at the moment is
because of your love of sin,
because of the pleasure
that sin gives you,
and you don't
want to give it up.
You're like a man with
a money belt filled with gold
who's just
fallen into the ocean.
I'm saying if you
don't get rid of that belt
that weighs 80 pounds,
it's going to take you under.
Doesn't matter how much
pleasure it gives you,
it's not worth
losing your life for.
Gail, you're not a beast.
You're a human being,
created by God in His image
with dignity
and worth and purpose.
Do you know what
God did for guilty sinners
so we wouldn't have to
go to hell? Any idea?
- Uh-uh.
- No.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, God became
a human being 2,000 years ago,
Jesus of Nazareth,
and He suffered
and died on a cross,
taking the punishment
for the sin of the world.
You and I violated God's law
and Jesus paid our fine.
That means God
can legally dismiss our case
because of the suffering, death,
and resurrection of the Savior.
God can say,
"You're out of here"
because someone
paid your fine.
And then
what God can now do
is clothe us in the
righteousness of Christ,
so on Judgment Day,
you're safe from God's wrath
and His justice
because of the death and
resurrection of the Savior.
If you repent
and trust in Him,
God will give you a righteous
standing in His eyes.
He'll wash away
your sins in an instant,
and He'll grant you
the gift of everlasting life.
His last words on the cross
were, "It is finished."
In other words,
the debt has been paid.
He came to take our
punishment upon Himself.
So because our fine
was paid by another,
God can legally
dismiss your case.
It's very hard to believe that
someone would be willing
to pay off the debt
that's not His own.
(Ray Comfort)
The Bible says
God is love, you know,
and He's kind
and generous and merciful,
and in His great kindness
He became a human being
and suffered for us.
- Does that make sense?
- That makes sense, yeah.
- How old are you?
- I'm 22.
(Ray Comfort)
When are you going to die?
I have no idea.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, God knows exactly
the moment of your death,
and it could be tonight,
it could be tomorrow.
I'm not using scare tactics.
This is just straight reality.
150,000 people
every 24 hours die,
and they were all making plans
for next week, no doubt.
So please think about this.
Do you have a Bible at home?
No.
(Ray Comfort)
I'm not talking
about a religion
that says you've got
to strive to get to heaven.
I'm telling you the Bible says
heaven is a free gift of God.
You cannot earn
everlasting life.
Doesn't matter how religious
you are, how good you are.
"God commended
His love toward us,
in that while we
were yet sinners,
Christ died for us,"
and then He rose from the dead
and defeated death.
This is how
the Bible puts it:
"For by grace
are you saved through faith
and that not of yourselves,
it's the gift of God,
not of works,
lest any man boast."
So eternal life
is a free gift of God,
and it comes
because of God's mercy,
not because of anything
we do. Make sense?
Yeah, makes sense.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you have
a Bible at home?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
I've been reading the Bible
every day
for more than 40 years.
There's no mistakes
in it, Mike.
Any mistakes that we think
are in it are our mistakes,
and you can trust God's Word.
I mean, think of how you trust
professors and science books
that tell you
you're a primate?
You trust and believe that.
So how much more should you
trust a God who cannot lie?
Let me show you
how fallible we are.
Spell the word "shop."
- Shop?
- Shop.
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you do when
you come to a green light?
- Stop.
- Green light.
Oh.
(Ray Comfort)
See, we're all fallible.
We make mistakes.
So imagine
if you're making a mistake
when you say this whole
of creation came together
because some
explosion of nothing
that produced everything:
seasons, the birds,
the trees, the flowers,
the sun, the moon, the stars,
and the marvels
of the human body?
Are you going to
think about this?
Oh, yeah, no, I think about
this quite a lot, believe me.
My brother, like I said,
he's a hardcore Christian.
He's going to
Yale Divinity School right now,
so he talks to me
about this all the time.
(Ray Comfort)
So you've got to think
seriously about this.
Life is full of decisions.
Soften your heart.
Don't have so much blind faith
in what science tells you
and it's left you
without any knowledge
of what was
in the beginning anyway.
You haven't got a clue
where you come from,
you don't know what
you're doing here on earth,
and you don't know
what happens after you die.
Peter, could you be wrong
about God's existence?
Yes. And could you be wrong
about God's existence?
(Ray Comfort)
No.
Well then, I think
you're rather closed-minded.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, if I said to you,
"Could you be wrong
about your wife's existence?"
you'd say "No, I know her."
You'd say,
"Don't be ridiculous.
I know her and love her,"
and I know the Lord
and I love the Lord,
and He transformed
my life 41 years ago,
instantly, overnight.
Forgave my sins
and gave me new desires
when I had no desires
or thoughts of God
for the whole 22 years
before I was a Christian.
Mike, thanks for talking
to me, I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course, no problem.
Thank you.
(Ray Comfort)
One more thing, because
you're a very intelligent man.
Spell the word "shop."
Shop?
Like, S-H-O-P?
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you do when
you come to a green light?
- You stop.
- Green light.
- Hmm?
- Green light.
Oh, ha-ha, very good.
(Ray Comfort)
Peter,
you've been a good sport.
Thank you
very much for talking to me.
I generally
don't engage creationists,
because it's not good
for my blood pressure.
(Ray Comfort)
So are you going to
think about this?
Uh-huh.
I think about it a lot,
actually.
I think about death
and how fragile life is,
and how just in a second
it could all be over
and there'd be nothing.
(Gail E. Kennedy, PhD)
You know,
the problem with those
who are unable
to see evolution, I think,
is they don't
have imaginations.
(narrator)
"Anatomical clues
to human evolution from fish."
Human beings are still fish.
(narrator)
"Human ears evolved
from ancient fish gills."
We came out of the ground
as a mammal.
(narrator)
"Heavier dinosaur arms
led evolution to birds."
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
we're related to pigs?
Do you think we've got
a common ancestor in pigs?
Yes.
(narrator)
"Proof that fearsome T-Rex
evolved into a chicken."
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
you're a primate?
- Yes, I am.
- Are you a talking primate?
- I am.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a cousin
of bananas?
Why, yes.
(narrator)
"When whales walked the land."
(student)
I'm accepting that they
did their science correctly.
I generally trust
the scientific community.
I'm going to trust
what those experts did,
those experts came up with.
Darwinian
evolution rests
on faith,
and once again,
according to
Richard Dawkins,
"Faith is the
great cop-out,
the great excuse
to evade the need
to think and
evaluate evidence."
Darwinian evolution
requires great faith.
The knowledge of God, however,
is clearly seen by all mankind.
"For since
the creation of the world
His invisible attributes
are clearly seen,
being understood
by the things that are made,
even His eternal power
and Godhead,
so that they are
without excuse,
because, although they knew God,
they did not glorify Him as God,
nor were thankful,
but became futile
in their thoughts,
and their foolish hearts
were darkened.
Professing to be wise,
they became fools."
(Ray Comfort)
You're an atheist?
I am definitely
an atheist, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
Why are you an atheist?
Why am I an atheist?
Because there is no God.
Atheism assumes that you can
disprove the existence of a God.
Agnostic is a more correct term,
but I'm an atheist.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you an atheist?
- Yeah.
- I am an atheist, yeah.
- I am, yes.
- I am.
(Ray Comfort)
So you're not an atheist?
No, I'm not.
(Ray Comfort)
So you're leaning that way
because of evolution?
Yeah.
I don't believe in the,
there's a guy in the sky
that lives in the sky.
- You believe in evolution?
- Of course I do, yes.
(male narrator)
"Live Science" says
of Darwinian evolution:
"It can turn dinosaurs
into birds, apes into humans
and amphibious mammals
into whales."
What Darwin showed
in his work on evolution
and natural selection
is that we don't need to invoke
any supernatural
force or power
to account for the development
of life through time on earth.
The ongoing processes that
are observable in today's world.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think it's a belief?
I think it's just fact.
I think more like facts.
There is too much
evidence to ignore.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think it's a belief?
- No, it's science.
- It's the way it happened.
It's logical.
You know, all the scientists
pretty much agree with it.
It's more of a fact.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you
start to believe?
When I started
to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you
start believing?
When I took my first
biology class.
It all started
to make a lot of sense.
The teacher made it
very easy to understand.
I generally trust
the scientific community.
It makes more sense
than any religion or anything.
The fossils they have found
of all the cavemen,
the Homo sapiens, dinosaurs--
it shows clear evidence.
I believe in science.
(Ray Comfort)
What's your major here
at this university?
Biology.
- You're a biology major?
- Yeah.
- You believe in evolution?
- Yes.
- What's your major?
- Geology.
- Chemistry.
- Biochemistry.
Environmental science
and policy.
I'm a physicist.
Biochemistry.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, do you believe
in evolution?
Yes, I do.
- Do you believe in evolution?
- Yes, I do.
- Of course.
- Yes, I do.
I do believe in evolution.
- You believe in evolution?
- Yes.
- Are you a strong believer?
- Yes.
- Are you a strong believer?
- Yep.
- Yes.
- Yes.
Absolutely.
(narrator)
A Scientific method
is based on "the collection
of data through observation
and experimentation."
-Science Daily
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
some observable evidence
that evolution is true?
Something I don't have to
receive by faith?
- Yeah.
- Some observable evidence?
I mean, take a look at what
happened 65 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort)
Hang on, I can't,
that's 65 million years ago.
I believe, yeah,
millions of years.
(Ray Comfort)
So that can't be observed.
We can trace the evolution
through the fossil record.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you be specific,
just give me one?
Between 6 and 7 million
years ago.
Hundreds of thousands
to millions of years.
- So it's quite a long time.
- Yes.
- Millions of years?
- Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
So it can't be observed?
Evolution is not
testable over time.
(narrator)
"We are condemned
to live only for a few decades
and that's too slow,
too small a time scale
to see evolution going on,"
Richard Dawkins.
"We see nothing of these
slow changes in progress,
until the hand of time has
marked the lapse of ages..."
Charles Darwin.
(Ray Comfort)
You've got the canine kind:
the coyote and the domestic dog;
and there's the feline kind:
which is the cats,
the tiger, and the kitten;
and you've got humankind.
So Darwin said
there'd be a change of kinds
over many years,
so could you give me one
example of observable evidence
of a change of kinds?
So for instance,
the fossil record shows
the common ancestors
of all carnivores,
that cats and dogs
were once linked,
united by a common ancestor.
(Ray Comfort)
How long ago?
This, I believe, was, like,
60 million years ago.
(Ray Comfort)
I don't want something
that I have to accept by faith.
I want it to be observable.
Observable evidence.
Well, I mean, if you're just
asking me here on the street,
there's really
not much I can tell you
in terms
of observable evidence.
Like, we would have to
really examine existing data
to draw conclusions of our own.
(Ray Comfort)
We would have to
have faith, then?
We would have to have
some amount of faith.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think
of any observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution,
where he said there'd
be a change of kind?
(male)
Like a monkey to a man, is
that what you're talking about?
(Ray Comfort)
Yeah, a change of kinds.
I don't really believe
there's any proof for that yet.
Well, monkeys
are the only ones
with the fifth digit
like we have.
(Ray Comfort)
Koalas have a fifth digit.
Did you know that?
(female)
I didn't know that.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think we're
evolved from koalas?
No.
I went to, like,
Washington, D.C.
I saw they had a whole exhibit
just on the--
- In the Smithsonian?
- Yeah, in the Smithsonian.
(Ray Comfort)
I went to that. It's just
like some stuffed dummies,
like standing around a fire.
I know that everyone
talks about the missing link
for humans and whatnot.
I believe that there are
connections that are out there
that we haven't found yet.
I'm going to trust
what those experts did,
those experts came up with.
I have a strong trust
in evolutionary ideas
based on the
evidence presented.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of any
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
I haven't seen it myself,
but I believe what the textbooks
tell me about it, so.
(Ray Comfort)
You've got faith
in the experts?
I have faith
in the experts, yeah.
I guess similar to how
religious people have faith
that God actually exists,
I have faith in the experts
knowing what
they're talking about.
(Ray Comfort)
The scientific method is it must
be observable and repeatable,
so could you give me one
piece of observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution?
Okay, I would point to--
there's one great example
is look at the genetics
of the stickleback.
(Ray Comfort)
What's that?
So stickleback fish are
a very interesting collection
of species
that were recently isolated
after the end
of the Ice Age.
(Ray Comfort)
What have they become?
They're various species
of sticklebacks.
(Ray Comfort)
They stayed as fish?
Well, of course.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of
any observable evidence
where there was
a change of kinds?
Fish.
Human beings
are still fish.
(Ray Comfort)
Human beings are fish?
Why, yes,
of course they are.
(Ray Comfort)
How long did that take?
Couple billions of years,
millions.
- Couple millions?
- Yep.
- How is that observable?
- It's not.
We came out
of the ground as a mammal,
and one mammal created--
(Ray Comfort)
Come out of the ground?
Didn't we
come out of the sea?
Huh? Well, initially
in the beginning,
we came out of
the ground and the sea.
After the
great destruction of the--
(Ray Comfort)
So did we have lungs or gills
when we came out of the sea?
You want to know something?
Those that were in the sea
I guess had gills,
and those that
were on land had lungs.
(Ray Comfort)
But if we came out of the sea,
we had gills in the sea?
You want to know something?
Who knows that we came out
of the sea or we came out of--
we evolved from mammals?
- So you don't know?
- Huh? Of course I don't know.
I'm accepting that they
did their science correctly.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me an example
of Darwinian evolution,
not adaptation or speciation,
but a change of kinds?
[laughing]
These are changes of kinds.
(Ray Comfort)
They're still fish.
They're distinctly
different fish.
We have thousands
of examples.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you give me one?
- I can give you thousands.
- Just one.
For instance,
I would say look at Lenski's
experiments in bacteria, then.
(Ray Comfort)
So what have
the bacteria become?
The bacteria are
still bacteria, of course.
(Ray Comfort)
So that's not
Darwinian evolution.
That's not
a change of kinds, is it?
It is a change in the
genetic makeup of the bacteria.
(Ray Comfort)
But they're still bacteria.
So what have
the bacteria become?
A new kind of bacteria.
(Ray Comfort)
It's still bacteria.
There's no change of kinds.
To summarize, the observable
evidence that you give me
for Darwinian evolution
is bacteria becoming bacteria.
No, it is bacteria acquiring
new metabolic capabilities.
(Ray Comfort)
You said before that there was
lots of evidence for evolution.
I just want one
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution.
Just one.
But I gave you some.
You don't want--
(Ray Comfort)
Not some.
I want one.
Wait, you don't want that.
(Ray Comfort)
I want one.
Yes, I do.
I'm pleading with people.
You asked me to tell you--
you asked me to tell you
when I've watched one species
evolve into another.
Isn't that right?
(Ray Comfort)
No, one kind into another.
There's 14 different
definitions of species,
so I want a change of kind.
When you're talking about
kinds or change in families,
you're actually talking
about macroevolution.
You're talking about changes
on the level that separates,
say, cats from dogs.
(Ray Comfort)
So could you give me any
examples of Darwinian evolution?
Well, when you say
examples of that,
then you have to sort of look
at it over a longer time frame.
It has nothing
to do with faith.
Faith is something
that I have to--unseen,
I have to believe it.
(Ray Comfort)
That's it, unseen.
Look, do you
believe evolution?
Of course I do.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a believer
in evolution?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort)
When did you start
to believe evolution?
I started
to believe evolution
when I started
to think for myself.
(Ray Comfort)
Is evolution a belief?
Evolu--
well, you know something?
Evolution
is a thought process.
It's this coming-to-terms
and checking out
all the alternatives.
Like, taking a looking at the
religion, man-made religions.
(Ray Comfort)
Let me ask you again.
Is evolution a belief?
No, evolution is--
well, yeah.
In a word, yeah, I could say
it could be a belief.
When you say change of kinds,
do you mean
the evolution of one species
from another or to another?
Yes, we have that in action,
actually, in the Galapagos.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
one instance?
Yes, we have an example
from a group of birds
called Darwin's finches.
You take a look at
the difference between
the finches on the islands
that all started out,
I mean, that's
very, very observable.
(Ray Comfort)
But that's not
Darwinian evolution.
There's been
no change of kinds.
What have the finches become?
They become genetically new
and anatomically new,
recognizably different species.
(Ray Comfort)
So they're still finches?
Well, of course
they're still finches, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
So there's
no change of kind.
Little birds
that he had observed that--
(Ray Comfort)
What did they become?
Their beaks,
their beak shapes, they're--
- They're still birds.
- Yes.
Three finches that turn
into different types
of birds, based on--
(Ray Comfort)
They're still finches.
Well, for example,
Darwin and his study
on evolution
of the birds on the island
that he went onto there.
- Their beaks changed?
- Their beaks--
(Ray Comfort)
But they're still birds.
There's no change of kinds.
That's within the kind.
No, no, no, it's just
evolution on the beaks.
(Ray Comfort)
So that's called adaptation.
That's not
Darwinian evolution.
There's no change of kinds.
There's no different
animal involved.
I want something
that shows me
Darwin's belief in the
change of kinds is scientific.
Darwin spoke of
a change of kind.
Can you think of any
observable evidence
for Darwinian evolution where
there's a change of kind?
Change of kind,
change of kind...
I'm going to have to think
about that one a little longer.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you give me anything that
I can see, observe, and test,
which is the scientific method,
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Test and observe...
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
observable evidence,
which is the scientific method,
for Darwinian evolution,
a change of kinds?
Okay, I got to think about it.
So you want
the evidence of it?
I would say...
[sighing]
I cannot, I think.
It's a hard question, actually.
So, can you repeat
the question again?
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me any
observable evidence, just one,
for Darwinian evolution?
Let me think about that
for a sec.
(Ray Comfort)
Observable evidence,
something where we
don't have to exercise faith?
Something that
can be observed,
like the scientific process,
observable?
That's a good question.
That one I'm not quite sure.
(Ray Comfort)
So you can't think of any
observable evidence
for evolution?
- No.
- How do you know it's true?
I'm not sure.
(Ray Comfort)
So Darwinian evolution
is not observable?
It's not scientific?
I guess so.
(Ray Comfort)
So it's unscientific.
You can't prove it.
It is scientific actually.
You could prove it.
It could be proven, just--
(Ray Comfort)
Do it for me.
Ah, that's hard.
I don't--
that's just too broad of a--
(Ray Comfort)
It's unobservable,
that's why.
You need millions of years.
Yes, exactly.
(Ray Comfort)
You're trusting
the biology majors
and the biology professors
know what
they're talking about,
and they can't even give me
evidence of a change of kinds.
Well, then, there isn't one.
If they don't give it,
then I wouldn't say there was.
I just go on what I've seen
and what
I've learned from class.
- So you believe?
- Yeah.
- You know what that's called?
- What?
- Blind faith.
- Blind faith.
(narrator)
"Faith is the great cop-out,
the great excuse
to evade the need to think
and evaluate evidence,"
Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in intelligent design?
Of course not.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think everything
is intelligently designed?
No, I don't believe that things
are intelligently designed.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, you seem like
an intelligent person,
so I'm going to
ask you something.
I'd like you to
make me a rose, okay?
How would you make a rose?
I don't have
the capabilities to do that.
(Ray Comfort)
No, hang on, now,
it's not intelligently designed,
so you should be able to
whip me up a rose real quick.
Do you believe a rose
is intelligently designed?
Definitely not.
In order for me
to know what to make,
I have to know
what a rose is.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, it's got a seed.
So you've got to
start with nothing
and you've got to create
a seed from nothing.
- Oh.
- Can you do that?
No, I can't.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you make
a rose from nothing?
No.
Can't really make something
from nothing.
It's just basic,
you know, science.
- A rose from nothing?
- A rose.
Just like--
I can't, honestly.
(Ray Comfort)
Why not?
Me? I just have
no supernatural abilities.
(Ray Comfort)
All the geniuses in the world
can't make a grain of sand
from nothing.
We don't know where to start.
- I can't.
- Why not?
I don't have millions,
billions of years.
That would be
physically impossible.
I mean, I would have to--
that's not possible.
(Ray Comfort)
So how could you say
everything is not
intelligently designed?
Where does that leave you
on the scale of intelligence
if you say everything
is not intelligently designed,
and you can't
even make a rose?
Why do you think
there's no one teaching
intelligent design at UCLA?
(Ray Comfort)
'Cause
they're not allowed to.
We can teach
anything we want.
(narrator)
There's a reason
intelligent design isn't taught
in our learning institutions.
According to physicist
Victor Stenger,
"The legal staff of
Freedom From Religion Foundation
[a church-state watchdog group]
has had remarkable success
in convincing many institutions
such as school boards
and town councils
that they are breaking
constitutional law
when they sponsor
sectarian activities."
That includes
intelligent design.
"When the authorities
can't be convinced,
Freedom From Religion
Foundation sues,
and it wins
more often than not."
(Ray Comfort)
There was nothing
in the beginning.
Big explosion of nothing
that became something,
and then
it came into a rose,
and giraffes
and horses and cows.
I'm not saying
that that's what happened.
I'm just saying
I don't know what happened.
That's what scientists
have theorized has happened.
(Ray Comfort)
And you believe them?
- To a point.
- So you've got faith.
That is true, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Could you give me
a definition of vestigials?
How does that
back up evolution?
Vestigial is--it's like--
I'm not a biologist,
so I'm kind of fuzzy here,
but it's like a remaining
organ that is not used.
Like for instance,
our appendix.
Rabbits have a huge appendix
for digestion of grass.
We still have
a vestigial appendix.
(Ray Comfort)
You mean the appendix
has no use?
Which we can
think of right now.
Your coccyx bone
that was, you know,
many people regard that
as the tail of the humans.
(Ray Comfort narrating)
The human tailbone
is said to be vestigial.
That is,
it's an evolutionary leftover
proving that we're
related to primates.
However, it's not a tailbone,
it's the coccyx vertebrae.
"The tailbone derived its name
because some people believe
it's a 'leftover' part
from human evolution,
though the notion
that the tailbone
serves no purpose is wrong."
"The coccyx is an extremely
important source of attachment
for tendons,
ligaments, and muscles..."
Evolutionists also claim
that the appendix is vestigial,
but it's not.
The appendix is actually part
of the human immune system.
According
to Scientific American,
"For years,
the appendix was credited
with very little
physiological function.
We now know, however,
that the appendix serves
an important role in the fetus
and in young adults.
Among adult humans,
the appendix is now thought
to be involved primarily
in the immune functions."
I would consider myself
an atheist, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think
of any famous atheists?
I believe
Neil deGrasse Tyson.
(Ray Comfort)
Neil deGrasse Tyson said:
"I can't agree to the claims
by atheists
that I'm one of that community."
(Ray Comfort)
Can you name a few?
Famous atheists.
Apparently not.
Start with Isaac Newton.
(narrator)
Isaac Newton said,
"The most beautiful system
of the sun, planets and comets,
could only proceed
from the counsel
and dominion of an intelligent
and powerful Being."
(Ray Comfort)
Can you think of
any famous atheists?
Yeah. No.
- A famous atheist?
- Yeah, a famous atheist.
Yeah, my dad.
(Ray Comfort)
He's not famous.
[laughing]
(Ray Comfort narrating)
Skeptics' websites
often include examples
of famous atheists
in an attempt to win converts.
But more often than not,
the famous personalities cited
are not actually atheists.
This is a popular atheist poster
on which are Ernest Hemingway,
Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan,
Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson,
Benjamin Franklin,
Albert Einstein,
and Charles Darwin,
along with the words:
"Atheism, good enough
for these idiots."
Clearly, atheism
is for intellectuals.
But one moment.
Abraham Lincoln
wasn't an atheist.
He said,
"I know that the Lord
is always on
the side of the right.
But it's my constant anxiety and
prayer that I and this nation
should be
on the Lord's side."
Neither was Carl Sagan.
He clearly stated,
"I am an agnostic."
Mark Twain hated religion, but
he certainly wasn't an atheist,
saying, "None of us
can be as great as God,
but any of us
can be as good."
Benjamin Franklin said,
"God governs
in the affairs of men."
You'll find Thomas Edison
listed on Celebrity Atheists,
on Positive Atheism,
and other atheist websites,
but he wasn't an atheist.
He said, "There is a great
directing head of people
and things--
a Supreme Being
who looks after the destinies
of the world."
Thomas Jefferson said,
"Say nothing of my religion.
It is known to myself
and my God alone."
Albert Einstein rejected
the Bible as the Word of God,
and said that the Creator
was unknowable,
and that God
being personal was childlike.
He lamented, "In view of such
harmony in the cosmos which I,
with my limited
human understanding,
am able to recognize,
there are yet people
who say there is no God.
But what really makes me
angry is that they quote me
to support such views."
He categorically said,
"I am not an atheist,"
and when referring to those
who deny the Creator,
he used the term
"fanatical atheists."
Charles Darwin said,
"I have never been an atheist."
So out of the eight
famous men on the poster,
there is only one who was
an atheist: Ernest Hemingway.
According to his biographer,
back in 1961, Hemingway, quote,
"pushed two shells into
the twelve-gauge Boss shotgun,
put the end of the barrel
into his mouth,
pulled the trigger
and blew out his brains."
There's your poster boy
when it comes to atheism.
Keep in mind that
even though some of these men
claim to believe in God,
it doesn't necessarily
mean that they're believers
in the one true Creator
revealed in the Scriptures,
or that they're
genuine Christians.
However, when atheists
use theists or agnostics
to promote
their godless agenda,
they're being dishonest.
Then again, coming
from those who claim
that morality
is relative to each person,
convenient dishonesty
should not be a surprise.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in moral absolutes?
No, I do not.
(Ray Comfort)
Is rape wrong?
Rape is wrong
in our culture, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
Is rape always wrong?
It depends
on your beginnings.
If you say that you have a
respect for other human beings,
then yes,
rape is always wrong.
(Ray Comfort)
So there are
moral absolutes?
Is rape absolutely wrong?
In my opinion, it is.
(Ray Comfort)
So who makes the rules?
We do.
(Ray Comfort)
So if Hitler made the rules
and he had the majority?
If Hitler
made the rules, yes,
we would be
living in a society
that Hitler
would consider moral,
but which I would not
consider moral.
(Ray Comfort)
Did Hitler put into practice
survival of the fittest?
- No.
- What was he doing, then?
He was murdering people.
(Ray Comfort)
But that's survival
of the fittest.
No, that's not
survival of the fittest.
(Ray Comfort)
It is, it's the lion
eating the antelope.
No, there's much more
to evolution
than just this kind of crude
"kill and be killed" model
that you
have in your head.
(Ray Comfort)
But I have seen a quote
from Richard Dawkins saying,
"Evolution in its rawest
is incredibly cruel."
It is, yes.
(Ray Comfort)
That was Hitler putting
evolution into practice.
That does not mean
it was moral.
(Ray Comfort)
It was immoral.
Nobody's claiming that
evolution is a moral process.
Evolution is a very harsh
and cruel process.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you believe
in evolution?
- Yes, I do.
- Do you have a dog?
- Yes.
- Love your dog?
I do love my dog.
Yes, I do.
I love animals.
(Ray Comfort)
Okay, well, your pet dog
and your rotten neighbor
are drowning.
You can only
save one of them.
Who would you save?
Hmm, that is a tough one.
I can only save one?
(Ray Comfort)
Why are you hesitating?
I think
I would save my dog.
I don't know why
I'm really hesitating.
Because, I don't know,
I feel like people would
see me as a bad person
if I said the dog.
I'll save my dog.
(Ray Comfort)
So is your neighbor
not worth saving?
Well, he's not worth saving
more than my dog is.
I'd go with the dog.
I mean, you would want
to save the animal.
So I would
want to save my dog.
Well, we're animals.
I believe we're all equal.
I don't think humans have
like, a higher, like, place.
(Ray Comfort)
So you think dogs are more
valuable than human beings?
Do you believe in evolution?
Yes, I do.
(Ray Comfort)
So it's just a matter
of survival of the fittest.
Your neighbor's a primate,
and you've got a canine,
and you like the canine more
than you like the primate.
Would that be right?
Pretty much, yeah.
I mean, it's survival
of the fittest, I mean--
- Survival of the fittest?
- Yeah, pretty much.
(Ray Comfort)
You said you believe
in evolution.
So it's just a matter
of survival of the fittest?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
If he drowns,
he drowns, big deal.
Oh, well yeah,
that is true.
- Are you an atheist?
- Yeah.
(narrator)
"Any fetus is less human than
an adult pig," Richard Dawkins.
(Ray Comfort)
So you don't think God exists?
More like I know.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you comfortable talking
about spiritual things?
I don't know
much about them,
because they're not
really capable of knowledge.
Once we're dead, we stop that,
we stop actually living.
(Ray Comfort)
How do you know?
Because it's just
what the facts are.
Like, if you
stopped breathing right now,
you'd be considered dead.
(Ray Comfort)
Jacob, if you were a car
and your motor got turned off,
that would be right,
that's inanimate.
But you're a living,
biological human being
with the life of God in you.
We are a mechanical being
because we have
different parts that--
- Is there no life in you?
- Yes, there's life in me.
(Ray Comfort)
That's your soul.
Okay, can you
handle some questions?
They're pretty
pointed questions.
- Sure.
- Are you a good person?
(Ray Comfort)
Are you going
to make it to heaven?
I would like to think so.
Do I think
I'm a good person? Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a good person,
morally?
Yes, I am.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
you're a good person?
Yes.
I like to believe so, yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
How many lies have you told
in your whole life?
I wouldn't be able to count.
I don't know
if I could remember.
(Ray Comfort)
Can you
be honest with me?
Yeah.
(Ray Comfort)
How many lies do you think
you've told in your whole life?
Oh, quite a few.
- Countless.
- Uncountable.
(Ray Comfort)
What would you call me
if I told lots of lies?
Countless lies, you'd call me
a liar, wouldn't you?
Of course.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you call someone
who's told thousands of lies?
- A liar.
- So what are you?
I'm a liar.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever stolen
something in your whole life,
even if it's small?
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever taken something
that belonged to someone else?
- Of course.
- Sure.
Yes, I have.
(Ray Comfort)
That's called theft.
- So what are you?
- A liar and a thief.
I'm a liar and a thief.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
Oh, every day.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
Oh, all the time.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
[bleep] probably so.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
- Yep.
- I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort)
That's called blasphemy.
It's very serious to use
God's name as a cuss word.
I don't believe in blaspheming,
since I don't believe in God.
So if you don't believe in God,
how can you blaspheme?
(Ray Comfort)
Well, if I don't
believe in certain laws
and still violate them,
ignorance of the law
is no excuse.
So we're still guilty,
even though we deny a law exists
or we even
don't know about it.
One to go, and I appreciate
your honesty, Jacob.
Jesus said if you look
at a woman and lust for her,
you commit adultery
with her in your heart.
Have you ever looked
at a woman with lust?
Why, yes, I look at many women
with lust in my heart.
Of course.
(Ray Comfort)
Have you ever
looked at a guy with lust?
- With lust?
- Lust.
- Oh, yeah.
- Sure.
Not recently.
I have indeed.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you having sex
outside of marriage?
No, not yet.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you
looking at pornography?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
You're lusting
after women, you see.
Have you ever
looked at a woman with lust?
Absolutely.
(Ray Comfort)
So Peter, by your own admission,
you're a lying thief,
a blasphemer,
and an adulterer at heart,
and that's only four
of the Ten Commandments.
What I'm saying to you
is just not believing in hell
doesn't make it go away.
A judge must see that justice
is done if he's a good judge,
and it's the same with God.
If we die in our sins,
God will give us justice.
The Bible says no thief,
no liar, no fornicator,
no blasphemer, no adulterer
will inherit the kingdom of God.
So Julia, if you died in your
sins and God gave you justice
because He's holy and perfect
morally, you'd end up in hell,
and I'd hate
that to happen to you.
Man, would you sell one
of your eyes for $1 million?
- Probably not, no.
- Both for $100 million?
No, I value
seeing too much.
(Ray Comfort)
See how precious
your eyes are to you,
how much more precious
is your life, and you're saying,
"I don't care if I get damned
from all that which is good"?
Of course you care.
You've got a will to live.
Now, let me tell you something
you know intuitively.
You know that creation
is proof of the Creator.
God's given you that light.
We don't have proof
of the Creator.
- Yes, we do.
- We don't, actually.
(Ray Comfort)
I have in inside story.
I have a whistleblower
and it tells me
that you know God exists,
and the reason
you choose evolution
is because it gets rid
of moral accountability.
It does not get rid
of moral accountability.
(Ray Comfort)
It does, it means
your primal instincts,
lust and pornography,
and fornication, adultery,
are all just primal instincts.
That's all.
You're just an animal.
The Bible demands
moral accountability
and says
those things are wrong,
and that's why
it's not acceptable to you.
That's why you're
not seeking after truth.
Am I wrong?
Let's see.
- Am I wrong?
- I think you're wrong.
(Ray Comfort)
I say that you know
intuitively that creation
is proof of the Creator.
God has given you
that inner light,
so when you look at the genius
of God's creative hand,
you know He exists
because of creation.
You are a unique human being,
made in the image of God
with a sense of justice
and truth and righteousness.
God gave you a conscience.
It's inherent.
It's shaped by society,
but it's inherent.
You know right from wrong.
You've violated His law,
and I don't want you
to end up in hell.
James, if you put your finger
on it, and see if we can,
your struggle at the moment is
because of your love of sin,
because of the pleasure
that sin gives you,
and you don't
want to give it up.
You're like a man with
a money belt filled with gold
who's just
fallen into the ocean.
I'm saying if you
don't get rid of that belt
that weighs 80 pounds,
it's going to take you under.
Doesn't matter how much
pleasure it gives you,
it's not worth
losing your life for.
Gail, you're not a beast.
You're a human being,
created by God in His image
with dignity
and worth and purpose.
Do you know what
God did for guilty sinners
so we wouldn't have to
go to hell? Any idea?
- Uh-uh.
- No.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, God became
a human being 2,000 years ago,
Jesus of Nazareth,
and He suffered
and died on a cross,
taking the punishment
for the sin of the world.
You and I violated God's law
and Jesus paid our fine.
That means God
can legally dismiss our case
because of the suffering, death,
and resurrection of the Savior.
God can say,
"You're out of here"
because someone
paid your fine.
And then
what God can now do
is clothe us in the
righteousness of Christ,
so on Judgment Day,
you're safe from God's wrath
and His justice
because of the death and
resurrection of the Savior.
If you repent
and trust in Him,
God will give you a righteous
standing in His eyes.
He'll wash away
your sins in an instant,
and He'll grant you
the gift of everlasting life.
His last words on the cross
were, "It is finished."
In other words,
the debt has been paid.
He came to take our
punishment upon Himself.
So because our fine
was paid by another,
God can legally
dismiss your case.
It's very hard to believe that
someone would be willing
to pay off the debt
that's not His own.
(Ray Comfort)
The Bible says
God is love, you know,
and He's kind
and generous and merciful,
and in His great kindness
He became a human being
and suffered for us.
- Does that make sense?
- That makes sense, yeah.
- How old are you?
- I'm 22.
(Ray Comfort)
When are you going to die?
I have no idea.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, God knows exactly
the moment of your death,
and it could be tonight,
it could be tomorrow.
I'm not using scare tactics.
This is just straight reality.
150,000 people
every 24 hours die,
and they were all making plans
for next week, no doubt.
So please think about this.
Do you have a Bible at home?
No.
(Ray Comfort)
I'm not talking
about a religion
that says you've got
to strive to get to heaven.
I'm telling you the Bible says
heaven is a free gift of God.
You cannot earn
everlasting life.
Doesn't matter how religious
you are, how good you are.
"God commended
His love toward us,
in that while we
were yet sinners,
Christ died for us,"
and then He rose from the dead
and defeated death.
This is how
the Bible puts it:
"For by grace
are you saved through faith
and that not of yourselves,
it's the gift of God,
not of works,
lest any man boast."
So eternal life
is a free gift of God,
and it comes
because of God's mercy,
not because of anything
we do. Make sense?
Yeah, makes sense.
(Ray Comfort)
Do you have
a Bible at home?
Yes.
(Ray Comfort)
I've been reading the Bible
every day
for more than 40 years.
There's no mistakes
in it, Mike.
Any mistakes that we think
are in it are our mistakes,
and you can trust God's Word.
I mean, think of how you trust
professors and science books
that tell you
you're a primate?
You trust and believe that.
So how much more should you
trust a God who cannot lie?
Let me show you
how fallible we are.
Spell the word "shop."
- Shop?
- Shop.
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you do when
you come to a green light?
- Stop.
- Green light.
Oh.
(Ray Comfort)
See, we're all fallible.
We make mistakes.
So imagine
if you're making a mistake
when you say this whole
of creation came together
because some
explosion of nothing
that produced everything:
seasons, the birds,
the trees, the flowers,
the sun, the moon, the stars,
and the marvels
of the human body?
Are you going to
think about this?
Oh, yeah, no, I think about
this quite a lot, believe me.
My brother, like I said,
he's a hardcore Christian.
He's going to
Yale Divinity School right now,
so he talks to me
about this all the time.
(Ray Comfort)
So you've got to think
seriously about this.
Life is full of decisions.
Soften your heart.
Don't have so much blind faith
in what science tells you
and it's left you
without any knowledge
of what was
in the beginning anyway.
You haven't got a clue
where you come from,
you don't know what
you're doing here on earth,
and you don't know
what happens after you die.
Peter, could you be wrong
about God's existence?
Yes. And could you be wrong
about God's existence?
(Ray Comfort)
No.
Well then, I think
you're rather closed-minded.
(Ray Comfort)
Well, if I said to you,
"Could you be wrong
about your wife's existence?"
you'd say "No, I know her."
You'd say,
"Don't be ridiculous.
I know her and love her,"
and I know the Lord
and I love the Lord,
and He transformed
my life 41 years ago,
instantly, overnight.
Forgave my sins
and gave me new desires
when I had no desires
or thoughts of God
for the whole 22 years
before I was a Christian.
Mike, thanks for talking
to me, I appreciate it.
Yeah, of course, no problem.
Thank you.
(Ray Comfort)
One more thing, because
you're a very intelligent man.
Spell the word "shop."
Shop?
Like, S-H-O-P?
S-H-O-P.
(Ray Comfort)
What do you do when
you come to a green light?
- You stop.
- Green light.
- Hmm?
- Green light.
Oh, ha-ha, very good.
(Ray Comfort)
Peter,
you've been a good sport.
Thank you
very much for talking to me.
I generally
don't engage creationists,
because it's not good
for my blood pressure.
(Ray Comfort)
So are you going to
think about this?
Uh-huh.
I think about it a lot,
actually.
I think about death
and how fragile life is,
and how just in a second
it could all be over
and there'd be nothing.
(Gail E. Kennedy, PhD)
You know,
the problem with those
who are unable
to see evolution, I think,
is they don't
have imaginations.
(narrator)
"Anatomical clues
to human evolution from fish."
Human beings are still fish.
(narrator)
"Human ears evolved
from ancient fish gills."
We came out of the ground
as a mammal.
(narrator)
"Heavier dinosaur arms
led evolution to birds."
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
we're related to pigs?
Do you think we've got
a common ancestor in pigs?
Yes.
(narrator)
"Proof that fearsome T-Rex
evolved into a chicken."
(Ray Comfort)
Do you think
you're a primate?
- Yes, I am.
- Are you a talking primate?
- I am.
(Ray Comfort)
Are you a cousin
of bananas?
Why, yes.
(narrator)
"When whales walked the land."
(student)
I'm accepting that they
did their science correctly.
I generally trust
the scientific community.
I'm going to trust
what those experts did,
those experts came up with.
Darwinian
evolution rests
on faith,
and once again,
according to
Richard Dawkins,
"Faith is the
great cop-out,
the great excuse
to evade the need
to think and
evaluate evidence."
Darwinian evolution
requires great faith.
The knowledge of God, however,
is clearly seen by all mankind.
"For since
the creation of the world
His invisible attributes
are clearly seen,
being understood
by the things that are made,
even His eternal power
and Godhead,
so that they are
without excuse,
because, although they knew God,
they did not glorify Him as God,
nor were thankful,
but became futile
in their thoughts,
and their foolish hearts
were darkened.
Professing to be wise,
they became fools."