O.J. Simpson: Blood, Lies & Murder (2023) Movie Script

[music]
[Operator] We're sorry,
you have reached the number
...
that has been disconnected
or is no longer...
[Tom] O.J., it's Tom again.
Can you to hear me?
Hey, hang on the line,
I wanna talk to you.
Okay. I'm still here.
I'm just getting
a little interference here.
You're going to break our
hearts, don't do this.
That's okay. Listen,
there's nothing
to be sorry about.
My name is Tom Lang.
I am a former LAPD homicide
detective of 29 years.
[line trilling]
Hello, O.J.? You still there?
He's thinking.
I've been involved in
250 different homicides.
One murder investigation
still bothers me.
[Operator] 911 emergency.
[Nicole] Yeah. Can you send
someone to my house?
[Operator] Oh, okay. Is he the
sportscaster or whatever?
[Nicole] Yeah.
[Operator]
Is he threatening you?
[Nicole]
Please send somebody over.
[Tom] It's the double murder,
that occurred
at 875 South Bundy.
[Operator] Is he black, white
or Hispanic?
[Nicole] Black.
[Tom] I was the lead detective
in that case.
The evidence led to one suspect
and that was O.J. Simpson.
[Operator] He's back, okay,
what does he look like?
[Nicole] He's O.J. Simpson.
I think you know his record.
[Tom] The Hall of Fame,
NFL football player and actor.
[Nicole] He just drove up again.
[Operator]
What kind of car is he in?
[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.
But first of all,
he broke the back door down...
[Tom] In what has been referred
to as the trial of the century.
O.J. was found not guilty
of killing his ex-wife,
Nicole Brown Simpson,
and her friend Ron Goldman.
- [Nicole] O.J.
- [Operator] O.J.
Back then, we were gagged.
We couldn't talk to anybody,
couldn't talk to the media,
couldn't discuss the case
with anybody else.
Victims had
their throat slashed.
I'm not gagged now.
All these years later,
I could tell a story,
why it happened. The fact that
it shouldn't have happened.
We've got the evidence
to show it.
[Tom] Hang on the line.
I want to talk to you.
- [O.J.] I'm here.
- [Tom] Okay, I'm still here.
Just getting a little
interference here.
Can you hear me?
O.J.? He's gone again.
O.J., you there?
[O.J.] Uh...
[Tom] Get rid of the gun.
[O.J.] Uh...
[Tom]
Nobody's going to get hurt.
Man to man, right?
Listen, you've been a man
Listen, you've been a man
a
Don't give in now.
[Reporter] And there are reports
that blood stained clothes
a in Simpson's home.
[Man] We can't jump the gun.
We can't afford
to make a mistake.
We are very meticulous
in what we do.
You don't know the facts
of the case.
This is where he parked the
Bronco, the night of the murder.
A lot of things have changed
approaching Bundy
where 875 used to be.
[Reporter] An L.A. homicide
detective says
O.J. Simpson's arrest
is imminent.
Simpson trial was held
right here.
[Reporter] It began early on the
morning of June 13th.
Neighbors discovered
the bloody murder scene.
He's shocked.
He's really grieving.
He's upset.
Mr. Simpson is a fugitive
of justice.
I plead 100% not guilty.
This is a trial about the man
that murdered my son.
[Woman] Is a trail of blood from
[Woman] Is a trail of blood from
B
and into the defendant's
very bedroom
linked by the defendant's
white Ford Bronco.
Get out of the way.
[Man] You think O.J. had a bag
with the bloody clothes
- and the knife?
- [Man] There!
Have you ever heard
the term cover up?
[Reporter]
Recognized around the world,
first for speed
and athletic grace and now
for a grisly,
gripping murder case.
[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.
If you give up the right
to remain silent,
anything you say can
and will be used against you
in a court of law.
Do you understand your rights?
[Tom] Are there any questions
about that?
[Tom] Okay. You going to speak
up audibly.
[Tom] You can never have too
much evidence in a murder case
period.
It's almost embarrassing
to articulate.
But the prosecution withheld
a lot of evidence
really pisses you off
after a while.
There's good evidence.
People don't realize that.
This was just after
the Rodney King riots.
The officers in that trial
were acquitted.
The LAPD in particular,
was not particularly liked
by the populace of L.A..
Eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth.
[Tom] So the prosecution is a
little, little too careful,
I think, not to put on
a certain amount of evidence
brought by the LAPD.
Okay, I want people
who watch this
to walk away with the truth.
I don't want them to have a
comic book version of this case.
[O.J.] Is that I did not,
could not, would not
have committed this crime.
I have four kids,
kids I haven't seen in a year.
All you can do
is all you can do.
[Reporter]
Los Angeles homicide detective
But hey, we've got witnesses.
We've got experts.
They're going to tell this
audience what happened for real,
they're not going to juice it.
My name is Michelle Kessler,
former employee of the
Los Angeles Police Department.
I was involved in
many high profile cases.
Hillside Strangler case,
nude bodies were found
on the hilly slopes
around the Hollywood...
ARamirez is a devil worshiper
And of course,
the O.J. Simpson case.
I'm Alan Park,
O.J. Simpson's limousine driver.
The night of June 12, 1994.
6' 200lbs, it just seems to be
a pretty big female.
You wouldn't lie to me
when I talk to you, would you?
My name is Rod Englert. I'm a
crime scene reconstructionist.
Now, let me tell you, the shots
that are fired, there's three.
He was convicted and is doing
life in the penitentiary.
I've worked on some
very high profile cases.
Robert Blake.
[Woman] We the jury find the
defendant not guilty
of the crime of first degree
murder of Bonny Lee Bakley.
I was retained in this
particular case
to do a reconstruction of what
did or didn't occur.
California versus O.J. Simpson.
Okay, get your knife. It's very
important we start a time.
Just and it was sort of like,
you know, someone said,
you're on the edge of your seat.
I'm on the edge of my seat.
Listening of is he lying?
This guy's lying, like... Yes.
[Reporter] As Clark stared down
her own witness.
This isn't for entertainment
as much as it is for education.
I'm not an actor. Okay?
I'm going to put this out.
What really happened?
Number one, I'm tired of people
lying and the media,
the lawyers.
This will clear all of that up.
We're going to get to everything
that screwed this case up.
What happened happened.
You don't buy it.
You buy it.
It's still gonna tell you
2 and 2 is 4,
I'm not a salesman.
[Rod] This will be
a reconstruction based upon
the physical evidence,
the autopsy, the blood patterns,
trace evidence, and the patterns
of blood on the clothing
and at the scene.
I was retained in this case
to come in and do
a crime scene reconstruction
with emphasis
on blood pattern analysis,
and to be able to
put the pieces together.
This what appeared to be
a large puzzle at the time.
[Nicole] He's going to beat the
shit out of...
[Operator] Wait a minute,
just stay on the line
s t
- Okay Nicole?
- [Nicole] Uh-huh.
[Rod] So I have these props
and props give one the ability
to be able to reconstruct based
again solely upon the evidence.
There's no speculation here.
The attacker comes to
the residence
and I want to put on the props.
[Tom] This is about the victims.
That's where we're here.
That's our job.
We gotta find out who did this.
I asked you to go back up
to like you're pretending
to come out of your apartment.
And when the attacker
gets to the residence,
gets a knife...
And as Nicole steps down,
she is stabbed on the head
and she have contusions
on her head.
And there are four stab wounds
on the left side of her neck
that penetrate down
to her heart.
She goes down on the ground
with her head on the first step.
She's bleeding from the wounds
on her left side,
making a pool of blood
that not only is filling up
this particular area, but it's
running down onto the sidewalk,
simultaneously to that as Ron
walks up a witness hears,
Hey, hey, hey.
He is stabbed on his left side,
which is a very fatal wound
that starts bleeding
down his pant leg and they will
stomp spreading the blood
that's projecting large and
small stains onto the clothing.
They back up into this area,
spattering blood
by stomping in the blood of
Nicole that is now running
from her wounds.
She's bleeding profusely.
I am backed up against her
as the glove comes off
and as you pull it off, let it
go down over to the left,
along with the
glasses that drop.
[Tom] And every question that
came up, he's answered
and he was never called.
There's no reason for that,
except I have my own opinion
on why he wasn't called.
If you want to hear that?
[Rod] During the struggle,
I'm trying to get in your throat
and then you reach up and pull
the hat off of my head.
It will fall there to
our left hand side.
[Tom] This is the LAPD on trial.
This is the LAPD who've been
accused of being racist,
of planting evidence
and the jury, again,
they were being fed this
by the prosecution.
Fine. But you can't put evidence
on unless you put the person on
who found the evidence.
You have to admit it
legally in a court of law,
on the stand, under oath,
in court, you can't just come in
and drop a piece of evidence,
and say, we want this, we want
the jury to look at this.
The prosecutor,
for better or worse,
did not want to appear
to be in bed with the cops.
[Rod] You get the knife in
while you're struggling,
cutting in the margins
of the wound,
different planes creating what's
called a swallowtail wound.
And as we go over to the area
here, we're still fighting.
You will go around and then down
on your buttocks,
your pager will pop off
of your belt.
And as it comes off, you will
also bleed on to this rail,
the bottom rail
that we have here.
And I go back over to Nicole,
cut from left to right,
capturing and cutting a large
amount of hairs on to the knife
and then goes over to
Ron Goldman.
There's two grab marks and blood
on the back side of his shirt.
Grab Mark is consistent
with pulling him over
because in the scene photograph,
this shirt is pulled up
and then the attacker
from right to left
will cut his throat also,
as was done to Nicole.
The attacker will leave
and go over to Nicole,
step on and put an impression
of the Bruno Magli shoe
onto her right side
below the arm,
and then continue and drop blood
from cutting his own finger
when attacking Ron
will drip blood to the left,
continue all the way
back to the alley,
which is about 200 feet back.
There is so much evidence in
this case, the only way
that the defense can work
towards resolving it
in their favor
is to just throwing dirt
to take the attention away
from the case in chief.
O and the cover up continues.
[Tom] This is the only
personal journal that exists
in this entire case.
It is currently in
the Law Enforcement Museum
in Washington, DC.
This is personal. These are
observations that I made,
people I had dealings with, and
it's the case in my own words
and my own thoughts
and my own deeds.
I'm using a rubber glove.
It's human blood.
That is medium velocity spatter.
[Tom] Photographed here, we're
very interested in
this blood droplet or cast off
whatever you want to call it,
possibly from a wound you said
or maybe a murder weapon.
We don't know. But we want this
because it's out of place.
[Rod] But the thing that's
significant, it shows up,
up here by the steps
and it goes all the way back,
drops like that
to the back gate,
which about 200 feet away
to the alley.
[Tom] I made a specific request
through the investigator
- to collect all of this blood.
- You did say that.
Oh, I said that
and she wrote it down.
Again everything goes sideways,
sometimes at the worst times,
the coroner's investigator
was off with a broken leg,
so they did not have
a criminalist there.
So instead of somebody inquiring
washed the body down.
Which can be
the attackers blood.
Yeah, the donor
could be the attacker.
[Tom] Yeah. And of course,
the defense got all over us.
The real story behind this,
however, just inches away,
we have a similar drop
on the sole of the left boot.
Here it is right here,
Ron Goldman.
- Okay.
- We have this, is a droplet
- or a cast off tailing down.
- And it's not disturbed.
- Blood's everywhere.
- Yeah, but no some's fallen
in the air after these two
are down and they're immobile.
So what would that be? Right.
The knife. Because they had
knife wounds or like you said,
the attacker.
Thank God the coroner didn't get
hold of that boot
and wash it down.
So we were able to get the blood
off of the sole of the boot.
Take your eye off the ball
or off the prize.
If you deviate from
what you normally do,
you're going to screw it up.
Whose blood is on that droplet?
It's a mixture.
Both victims
is on that blood droplet.
Came from a common source
to further corroborate,
we look at the same area here,
indicating what appears to be
a footwear impression
right here. See that?
Turns out that that is a
footwear impression
from a pair of
Bruno Magli shoes.
At this point, the FBI had
identified the bloody footwear
impressions at the crime scene
as being from Bruno Maglis,
but we couldn't at that point
put Bruno Maglis
on Simpson's feet.
Dominic Brown is
Nicole's younger sister,
so I met her for lunch
and I said,
I've got six pictures
I want to show you.
They're all of shoes, she goes
right to the Bruno Maglis.
She says, O.J. has
shoes like that.
So I'm thinking this is
a little too good to be true.
So she says Nicole was
back in New York in January
and she may have bought
them for him at that time,
but I don't know for sure.
There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.
She wore 'em for a while
and just she didn't
really care for them,
so she gave them to me.
So really, in fact,
I'm wearing them.
She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.
That's pretty good stuff.
Why would you not want to have
her testify to that in court?
And that never happened.
It turns out that
the Bruno Maglis at
the crime scene, were size 12.
His athletic shoes,
by his own admission
that he was wearing
were size 12 also.
If Simpson turns out,
if he's a size 10,
that's exculpatory evidence,
defense would use that.
And that's enough for a juror
to say, well,
it couldn't have been him,
this is different shoe size.
We've got nothing like that.
Wife beater, rapist, murderer.
[Reporter]
There is enough evidence
to put Simpson on trial.
About two or three days
after the murders occurred.
Defense attorneys at the time,
Bob Shapiro.
Is it not 60?
Is it 10,000?
[Tom] He came to our office
at robbery homicide in his style
requested, suggested
that he could perhaps help
our investigation along
as a defense attorney
if he would provide us with a
criminalist and a pathologist
to assist us with our
investigation of the body
as evidence, but that is brassy,
so I guess we can't
blame him for trying.
It didn't work that way.
Now, as we're sitting here doing
the crime scene investigation,
this pager continually went off
the entire night.
We find out coworkers at the
Mezzaluna Restaurant
was trying to get a hold of him,
that this was kind of eerie
listening to this. This is going
on throughout the whole night.
We're doing the whole crime
scene investigation,
but it turns out it was,
in fact, his friend.
They wanted to go out drinking.
[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.
He had to be up against that.
And then there's a little pool
of blood where he was
up against that so that when the
attacker went over to Nicole
to cut her throat, then he came
back to him and cut his throat.
And that's what evidence does.
It tells that he was
in this seated position
before being pulled over
and then his throat was cut.
[Tom] So he was going between
her and him.
- [Rod] Exactly.
- [Tom] More than once.
[Rod] You know why? Because he
want to make sure they're dead.
And the only way to do that
in this person,
- the attacker's mind.
- Yeah?
Here's the cap, again,
the Bruno Magli
footwear impression here.
Very important stuff.
And note, she's still bleeding
because the blood is running
over the top of the footprint.
She's nearly decapitated.
As we remove her body, you can
see her vertebra from the front.
If you look at Ron Goldman,
you have, you know, like
20 different sized stab wounds.
Ron fought hard, hard, hard.
Ron, he was just at the wrong
place at the wrong time.
The blood in here is everywhere.
Nicole, she was in the wrong
place for a long time.
[Tom] And that became a bone of
contention later on
when we were also accused of
planting the blood.
Yeah, which is something else.
But then you and later...
[Rod] But you had to have
knowledge on how to plant it.
Well, to make it fit.
[Tom] Not only that,
but Simpson's blood
w-we picked up at the scene.
He's back in Chicago,
so how did we get his blood
from Chicago to here?
[Rod] Yeah.
[Tom] Well, it didn't
make any sense.
I know, I know.
Listen to this.
So there's a city of
8 million people.
- Yeah?
- You have a Bronco,
that's a scene.
You have Bundy Street,
that's a scene.
And you have Rockingham.
That's a scene.
You got all three people's blood
at each one of those locations
in that two hour period.
And it's so simple.
It is so simple.
So everybody was taking shots
at everybody else.
Everybody pointing fingers
in every direction.
We were fighting, not just
involving in the case
and these attorneys,
but the media.
Rod Englert alluded to some of
this when his home was prowled,
there was a team for the defense
that was going
through people's trash.
Friends of mine at my church
were contacted secretly
because I was a youth leader.
People were interviewed about
my interaction with kids.
Yes, it did affect my life.
It was both my wife, my family.
Now, before Ron Goldman was
removed, you couldn't see
the keys because
they were concealed.
You can see the drag marks here
after the pull the body out.
Keys are interesting because he
was probably holding the keys.
The keys belong
to his girlfriend.
He drove her car
the night of the murders.
When these keys were picked up,
they were booked into evidence.
There was no blood in those keys
and they were booked
and they were consequently
released to the girlfriend.
She made a complaint when
she got the keys back
said, oh, there's blood all over
them, they were terrible
- and everything else.
- Right.
Well, somehow the defense
got a hold of this statement.
The defense said, well, perhaps
the real suspect
got the keys from Ron
and there was blood on them.
And that blood belongs to
perhaps the real suspect
using the keys as a weapon.
[Rod] There's no speculation,
there's no guesswork where
the donor has been identified
with those particular patterns.
It made it very, very solid.
[Tom] Because we have a mixture
of blood coming from
a common murder weapon
and his sole to this day,
the defense claims, well,
there's probably a second one.
There's no evidence
of a second one.
We looked for that evidence.
I looked for that evidence.
I examined every piece of that
sidewalk and then going
all the way back to the back,
about 200 feet to where
the Bronco was parked
in the alley.
And there's no evidence
whatsoever that there was
more than one individual.
[Tom] The evidence tells us
without any doubt,
because of the blood
and because of this,
- there's only one suspect.
- Right.
When we came, the blood is going
all the way down the walkway
and she just about bled out.
When we did the autopsy.
She didn't have a whole lot
of blood in her.
As far as my role
in the OJ Simpson case,
I was involved in
examining the Bronco.
[Tom] John Rogers,
remember John?
- Yes.
- [Tom] Good guy,
classmate of mine, he calls me
at about 3-3:15 in the morning,
Tom, the captain wants to buy
you a cup of coffee.
No, hello, how are you?
I'm sorry I woke you.
So we know we got
something going on.
So he tells me they have this
double O.J. Simpson's ex-wife,
I think he said,
may be involved,
but we don't know for sure.
They got all of Bundy
blocked off. He's on the steps.
The lower part of the steps,
four feet, ten inches away.
There's a second victim,
Ron Goldman.
When the sun came up,
we begin to find more blood.
This is Rockingham gate,
the blood tailed up the driveway
and right into the house. A
Bronco was parked out in front.
I had nothing against
O.J. Simpson, and I was shocked
that he was a suspect.
Here's the master bedroom.
These are O.J. socks he took off
when he returned
from the crime scene.
So the bathroom is
back over here.
What's interesting,
your guys went up there
and they checked the sink
and they check the shower stall
because Simpson had said that
he took a shower,
but in the sink
and the shower stall,
the bar soap
lying in the bottom,
what do we find?
- Blood.
- Blood. Traces of blood.
So we know he was in the shower.
Now you can see some of these
photos where you start to see
stains by the naked eye.
Smears of blood everywhere.
Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else.
He has a knife.
She's nearly decapitated.
He is stabbed.
When the sun came up,
begin to find more blood.
In the sink
and the shower stall.
The bar soap lying in the bottom
what do we find?
- Blood.
- Blood.
This is what, 25 years later
that there was a second suspect.
They can't tell you why. They
say the cops planted evidence,
but they can't show us evidence
of the cops planting evidence.
They said the lab was
involved in this conspiracy,
but they can't show us
any evidence of that.
And I don't know if you can
imagine how many people
it would take to
pull together this conspiracy.
Basically, overnight,
the evidence in general
was found within 24 hours.
[Tom] The LAPD has a policy
that all searches,
after they're completed,
will be videotaped
to show that we have not
trashed it.
The defense gets the video
that we took.
We turned it over
to the defense.
Looking at the video, they say,
wait a minute,
where are the socks?
There's no socks here.
They must have been planted.
They're not in the video.
Unknowing to them, when the
video was actually made
after, not before, this is very
simply explained
where the video was taken after.
Today, people still say,
what about the socks thing?
There were a little over 1,000
crime scene photos
of the Bronco, of Rockingham,
of Bundy
and all turned over
to the defense.
This is August 27th.
So this is a
little over two months later
and they don't know
where the bodies were
at the crime scene?
No, they had no idea.
They thought the bodies were
by the front doors.
I said no, they're down here
near the front gate.
This is where Nicole was.
This is where Ron was over here.
And they're not taking any
notes, but there's plenty of
camera work going on
with the media.
You can see in
this picture right here,
my hair used to be red
and not white.
- Okay.
- But anyway,
we went in to examine the Bronco
for blood patterns.
To our surprise,
we found a lot more blood.
You can see some of these photos
that I have here
where you start to see stains
by the naked eye.
Smears of blood everywhere.
Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else
when there was no other blood
found at the crime scene
except the victims
and O.J. Simpson's by th... where
he said he parked his car.
[Tom] When we take the doors
off, take the console out,
take the seats out,
take the back out,
strip everything out. We find a
lot of interesting stuff.
We were accused of finding all
this extra blood,
more of it as planting it.
It's another stab to the heart.
The jurors, that was another
story testifying.
And I look over and you try to
talk to the jury
and you try to speak
in lay terms
and they're taking notes and
kind of giggling to each other
and whispering,
I can't believe that Judge Ito
didn't put a stop to that, nor
did the prosecuting attorneys
say anything.
Everything was attacked.
That's their only defense.
They're going to
tell you it was lies.
They're going to tell you
it was a conspiracy.
We were very happy that
we found this amount of blood
because in those days,
analyzing DNA,
you needed a lot of blood.
We proved that it was
a combination of Ron Goldman,
Nicole Simpson and O.J. Simpson.
Evidence that was collected from
the Bronco is enormous.
Get any prosecutor in the
country that prosecutes cases,
would love to have
what's just in the Bronco.
[O.J.] Just tell them
I'm all sorry.
Y and tomorrow that I was sorry
and that I'm sorry that I did
this to the police department.
[Tom] Listen, I think you
should tell them yourself.
After the chase, we obviously
searched... searched the rear.
We searched the whole thing.
You gonna go to the house?
[O.J.] That's where I told you
we weren't... you know,
you just let them all know.
You let the police know,
you let them all know
I wasn't running.
[Tom]
I know you weren't running.
This was Simpson's mobile phone
that I spoke to him with.
[Rod] And that was during the
Bronco chase after the murder.
- The slow chase?
- Yeah.
- [Tom] You there?
- [O.J.] Just let me get to
- my house.
- Okay. We're going to do that.
[O.J.] I swear to you,
I'll give you what...
I'll give you me,
I'll give you my whole body.
[Tom] Just throw the gun
out the window.
Let's look at this disguise kit,
of significance in this kit,
see, you got a little beard,
and a mustache here.
But what's significant
is May the 27th, 1994.
So this disguise kit was bought
two weeks before the murders.
Why would he have
a disguise kit?
This was found in the back seat.
- Premeditation. Premeditation.
- Yeah.
Later is in pursuit.
He's got a gun.
Here's the gun right here.
A revolver.
This becomes very important
to my conversations with him,
that isn't brought
into evidence.
Just have A.C. pull over
and just toss that gun out
and everything will be okay.
It's gonna be better tomorrow.
- [O.J.] He's takin' me home.
- [Tom] I know he's
taking you home, but will you
please toss that gun?
Here's a set of keys.
Ten days before the murders,
Nicole went to her mother
and she says, Mom,
I'm a little concerned
because I think O.J.,
when he was in the last time,
stole my keys.
- There they are. He was right.
- What were those keys to,
other than her door? Was it to...
[Tom] The gate
and the front door.
Why would he want to steal the
keys? Perhaps because he wanted
to go in there
at his own choosing.
There's actually two Broncos.
The first Bronco was given
to O.J. by Hertz.
He used the Bronco
the night of the murders.
His good friend, A.C. Cowlings,
also bought a 1994 white Bronco.
[Rod] O.J. was supposed to
turn himself in
at Parker Center downtown.
He never showed.
So this goes out
all over the news.
People are actually
running up to the car
- and banging on the windows.
- I saw that.
We jump ahead to the trial.
Where's all this stuff?
[Rod] None of this was used.
[Tom] No, this goes to
intent to flee, obviously,
that's the very least.
[Rod] Okay. What do we have?
We have two people murdered.
We have three locations.
We have a Bronco.
We have Rockingham
and we have Bundy Street. Right?
And we know that there's
a lot of blood.
[Tom] There's a ton of blood
in this car.
[Rod] I wanted to do a little
demonstration for you
that I was planning on doing
for the jurors
and this is stage blood.
And what I'm going to do
is put some on my knuckle.
O.J. Simpson was bleeding,
- left middle finger.
- Yeah.
I could come up. Sure.
And open the door like this.
But then it would be awkward
because you got to
push the button. But then I go
in like that and I'm bleeding
and I pull it out.
I open the door.
Even TV viewers of that trial
never knew that there was
enormous amounts of blood,
that these these were patterns
that were identifiable.
Pretty hard to refute.
Here's a photo
taken at the time of
the crime scene investigation.
This is the door handle
on this one.
Here's the same door handle
here.
And notice where it's located.
It's not where
the thumb would be.
It's not where the
little finger would be.
And we have a person
bleeding from which finger?
The left middle finger.
And that's O.J. Simpson's blood.
They did not put Rod Englert
on the stand to testify
to the months and months
of work that he did.
As to every bit of blood
evidence in this case
that the jury, I'm sure,
regardless of how they thought
about cops or anything else,
I'm sure they wanted to hear it.
Nobody else did that
on either side.
This is at the very end
when O.J. Simpson gets out of
the vehicle and leaves after
parking it on Rockingham.
- You didn't see that at trial.
- Exactly.
Somebody needed to tell that
story because the story
is pretty hard to refute.
I've done something here that I
think that will help the viewers
to realize how much blood
is actually in this vehicle
and the size of the scenes.
So this is not the same vehicle.
That vehicle had leather seats.
They were beige.
This has seats that are cloth.
But I just want to take the
viewer through how much blood
and what the patterns were
inside of the vehicle.
Well, who was bleeding?
O.J. Simpson.
Where was he bleeding?
Left finger.
And this is a transfer
that appears to be something,
could be the knife laying right
under it is a long blond hair.
And you're supposed to
testify to that
and admit it in court,
never happened.
Smears of blood everywhere.
[Tom] Crime scene photos of the
bronco of Rockingham, of Bundy.
Let's look at this disguise kit.
A mustache here.
Here's the gun right here.
This goes to intent to flee,
obviously.
Well, who was bleeding?
O.J. Simpson.
Where was he bleeding?
Left finger.
How it lines up with not only
opening the door on the outside,
but just opening the door
to get out on the inside.
It's only his blood. It's in
line with where he's bleeding.
And then when did
the crime occur?
Nighttime.
Well, what do you do on a car
when you get in it
to drive it at night,
you turn on the lights.
We actually Luminoled this
and this is on the light switch,
not only on the switch itself,
but below the switch.
And when the donor came back
as to whose blood this was,
it came back as human blood.
And it came back as the donor
being O.J. Simpson.
Now, that's a lot of blood,
but it even gets to be more.
On the steering wheel
at about 1:00, you will see
a faint transfer of blood there
down here at about 7:00.
Well, what hand do you
turn the lights on with?
You turn it on
with your left hand.
Sure, you can reach over
and turn it on with your right.
But in this particular case,
then you've got outside door,
inside door, light switch,
steering wheel. 1:00 and 7:00
is O.J. Simpson's blood.
Well, in getting in the vehicle,
we have a swipe
that goes from left,
the door side,
the driver's door side
to the right.
And that is
Nicole Simpson's blood.
See, there was never any theme.
There was never a story
that started at Bundy Street
and then went into a Bronco.
And that evidence then
transferred some of it
into a house and around a house.
I mean, there's a
ton of blood in here.
Why it was never
put into evidence.
You got blood here
that's visible,
anjd you got blood
that's not visible.
[Rod] Right, in trial,
only pieces were.
Well, this blood here
is this person.
[Tom] Sitting on the jury, I
want to know how, why.
[Rod] But there was never
any explanation of theme
that followed
from beginning to end
about these patterns,
what the patterns were,
what they mean,
what they came from.
We had two swipes of
Nicole Brown Simpson's blood
going from left to right
near the door sill,
as you can see here,
was also a swipe
of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood.
What is that consistent with?
That's consistent with
having blood on a hand
which we know he was bleeding
that swipes across or a sleeve
in both of these,
Nicole Simpson's blood.
[Tom] You know,
there is a story.
What we needed was
someone to tell it.
- [Rod] I was ready.
- [Tom] I know.
[Rod] If I were his defense
attorney, I'd be worried.
I would be really worried.
The evidence is overwhelming.
It's enormous. It's big.
This is a lot of blood.
These aren't little
specks of blood.
These aren't projected stains.
They are patterns,
large patterns of blood
to indicate that someone
is bleeding extensively.
On the console, it's as though
O.J. Simpson is reaching around.
And inside of that was a mixture
of Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.
These are visible
to the naked eye.
Transfer stains from a hand
that is wet with blood.
[Tom] You look at
the DNA in this case
and the fact
there's nothing exculpatory,
never have too much evidence
in a murder case.
Like I have too much,
they'll never believe it.
Well, that was this case.
You had a ton of evidence
that was never brought.
[Rod] Just another transfer.
And this is a transfer
that appears to be something
that is it could be the knife.
You'll notice here, Tom.
Notice at the edge of it.
It's well-defined, laying right
under it in the seat
is a long, blond hair.
And remember I told you what I
picked off 39 hairs
from Goldman's shirt
after her throat had been cut.
Nicole's throat was cut. The
attacker went back to Goldman,
cut his throat,
and all those hairs came off
because there's close contact
and on to Goldman's shirt.
[Tom] Simpson never even knew
Ron Goldman.
So what would Ron Goldman's
blood be doing in Simpson's car?
Never could put
those two together.
In the seat, you have
Nicole Brown Simpson's blood
in the form of what appears
to be a knife transfer.
It's a very well-defined line
that's different than what
cloth would do
or a finger would do.
And then below that is
a long blond hair.
See the enormity
of that evidence?
And you're supposed to
testify to that
and admit it in court
and it never happened.
Any piece of evidence,
including the hair,
the strand of hair, was found by
one of the prosecution's
criminalists, Rod Englert.
In order to get that
into evidence,
something that the jury
can look at and consider,
it has to be admitted.
It was never admitted
because if it were admitted,
it would have been admitted
through Rod Englert.
That didn't happen.
And the only reason
that wouldn't have happened
is because the prosecution
wouldn't have wanted it,
well, why don't they want it?
Well, they didn't want a lot of
evidence submitted in this case.
That's why we're here today
doing this thing.
And this was one of them
because a cop
was delivering the evidence,
cops are on trial
as far as the jury is concerned.
And Rod is one of them.
Okay, Rod, why don't you to step
back a second.
I want to show you a little fun
fact here with it we found.
And he pulls the seat out
and there's a little
illumination bulb rolling
around underneath
- when you took the seat out.
- I remember that.
Plastic cover over the
illumination bulb was missing.
And so is the bulb, so I look
up, this bulb fits
at the top of the Bronco.
But I'm thinking back
to when I was a young cop,
the first thing we did
at nightwatch, we'd reach up
and we grab that bulb,
we'd pull it out.
Why would you remove the bulb?
For the same reason we did.
We didn't want...
He didn't want
to be illuminated.
This to me, again,
goes to intent.
It's very significant.
We never saw it in trial.
[Rod] Okay, Tom, now let's
talk about the socks.
[Tom] More accusations of cops
planting blood right.
[Rod] Tell me about that.
[Tom] Well, the socks Simpson's
house belonging to Simpson
- were recovered in his bedroom.
- Right.
Tom Lange picked them up
at the foot of the bed
and those socks
went into evidence.
[Tom] More accusations of
cops planting blood.
You get involved in this whole
thing as a blood expert,
blood spatter expert.
A shotgun blast was down
through the floor
that accounted for
the third shell.
Another third was here.
Here's your knife.
And then the person
rolls him over on his back.
We find on the socks that the
victim, Nicole Simpson's blood
is on these socks,
on O.J. socks in his bedroom.
We get accused of planting
that blood on those socks.
Ron and Nicole, you wouldn't
even know there's any victims
when all this B.S. starts.
They're talking about
everything else,
everything around the periphery
of this entire case
except the victims.
Nobody cares about that.
One of the defense attorneys,
Alan Dershowitz,
You would have voted to acquit.
And he says officer, he calls
him Officer Vannatter.
It was my late partner,
my late homicide partner
planted the victim's blood
on Simpson's socks
and he very demonstrably
puts his hands up
and says he's holding
the sock here
and there's a
vial of blood here.
And Vannatter poured the blood
on the sock.
Anything to throw doubt
within a case.
And this is a very,
very good example.
If this were true, number one,
why didn't we see this
during the trial?
And quite frankly,
waited until after
my partner died?
So we have the defense attorney
saying my partner poured blood,
planting it.
Their own investigator says
the lab planted it, well, they
can't get their lies straight.
Why wasn't this challenged
in rebuttal during the trial?
People can lie.
Look at me, Tom.
People can lie,
but the evidence never lies.
Blood was poured onto the socks
and the blood was planted
- on the socks by the cops.
- Well, that's ridiculous.
It's common sense.
If you pour it,
that's a different pattern
than projected stains.
The blood pattern on the socks
was projected stain,
impact into blood
that projected the blood out.
This random distribution of
large and small drops
that were on both socks.
Just like go in your kitchen,
get some water
and pour it on a cloth.
Everybody knows that's not
the same pattern.
And then you have to
turn it over.
You have to do it to this side.
It doesn't create
that type of pattern.
If I'm in the jury,
I want to know
how the blood got on the socks.
[ t
I'm uncertain.
Here you have transfer pattern,
transfer pattern on the toes
and then projective stains on
360 degrees round those socks.
We looked at these socks
together, remember?
I flew to DOJ. You met me there
at Department of Justice
in Sacramento. Now, they hadn't
been analyzed yet
and we counted
and looking with magnification,
we've counted 29 projected
stains right here,
meaning little dots, the same
that are on Ron Goldman's boots.
And then 19 on this particular
sock, another sock.
Now, we don't know which one
was left or worn left
or which one was right.
On the toe of both of the socks
and on the top of one of them
was a different type of stain.
It wasn't projected stains,
it was a transfer stain.
Now transfer means if
I've got blood on my hand,
give me your hand
and I transfer it to your jacket
and I hit some blood
and projects,
that creates a little
random distribution
of large and small drops.
Right?
Now, I want to
show you something.
I've got a cut, and I reach down
and I pull the sock down.
A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window.
Coincidentally, the same type of
knit cap at the crime scene.
I believe that she was dating
guy, that his name was Keith.
The time that I think that
was who O.J. was spying on.
And we have a person bleeding
from which finger?
The left finger.
Inside of that was a mixture of
Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.
We get accused of planning
that blood on those socks.
I've got a cut and I reach down
and I pull the sock down.
I've got blood on my hands.
We know he's bleeding
from the middle finger.
We know that
that blood is fresh.
And this is where
the transfer occurs
when I pull the socks down.
There is your transfer.
That is a pattern that's
different from the pattern
on both socks, 360 degrees
around the ankles,
but not where
my pants are covering
and not where my shoes
are being worn.
And then you pull it off.
You usually have to grab the toe
or it's consistent with grabbing
the toe on both of these socks.
O.J. Simpson's blood
on the toes.
O.J. Simpson's blood at the top.
And Nicole Brown Simpson,
360 degrees of projected stains
from what the demonstration is
fighting, stomping, projecting
stains, out to the side.
You cannot pour blood
onto these socks to create
those kind of patterns.
It's pretty powerful evidence.
Remember, this is interesting.
When we was there at the lab,
you call me five days later
and you said, go to a secure
phone and left my office.
So I went to a phone booth.
It was raining.
I'll never forget the words
that you told me,
you said, want to know whose
blood this is?
She said there's only five
people that know
and the two of us
are two of the five.
Nicole Brown Simpson blood
and Simpson's blood.
And then there was
another accusation
that the lab rehydrated
these little stains
to make it go through
to the other side,
meaning nobody
could be wearing them.
Do you know what that means?
That means there was
no foot in that sock.
Can you really think of this?
Just think that
someone with a Q-Tip
is going to rehydrate blood
and 29 times...
to make it go through the other
side that... that was,
that was not true. And that was
actually testified to in trial.
Tom, let me just show you
how ridiculous this is,
this false accusation,
the blood pouring that
allegedly has occurred
is when I pour blood into blood
and pour it on the socks.
You're not going to get
those individual stains.
It just isn't going to happen.
Look at that.
[Tom] It's solid.
[Rod] And it doesn't go around
to the other side.
This is a transfer.
Now, I've got blood on there
and that's a transfer.
And that's what we have
at the top that we couldn't see
with the naked eye.
- [Tom] Yeah.
- [Rod] Not only do we have
a transfer there,
but we have a transfer here
and we have a transfer here
on these socks.
And this tells a story.
It's that simple.
And so in going and meeting
with the criminalist,
the Department of Justice
and I contacted you later
as to what the results were.
And I've got a little video here
that he sent to us.
You remember this?
It's called an
infrared examination.
That is the camera that is able
to focus and be able to see
what the eye cannot see.
You can see the different
stains. They were there.
And I want you to see this.
This is the top of the sock.
[Tom] That is
O.J. Simpson's sock.
[Rod] That is O.J. Simpson's
socks found at
the foot of the bed
that you found.
This is a transfer stain
that we're looking at here.
And this is sock number 42A.
But now the criminalist is going
to go down this knee high sock
and you're going to start seeing
those projected stains.
And mind you, there's like 19 on
one and 29 on the other.
They start showing up and look
where they're showing up.
And look,
you're coming up to the heel.
[Tom] Yeah.
[Rod] And also on the sock
was O.J. Simpson
at the transfer stain,
the upper one.
And look at the stain.
These are projected stains.
And there's little ones.
There's big ones.
That's a random distribution
of large and small drops from
fighting.
Here we start to see with
infrared photography and video
projected stains that comes back
to the blood of who?
- [Tom] Nicole Simpson.
- [Rod] Because you're the one
who told me that when you had to
go to a phone booth
- and call you.
- These are the ones you counted.
[Rod] That's right.
So there's a lot of them
all around the socks.
- [Tom] 360 degrees.
- [Rod] 360 degrees.
And there's a photograph
of Ron Goldman's boots.
You know what's on
the side of his boots?
Same type of projected stains.
This is like a transfer stain
at the toe.
- And guess who's blood that was?
- [Tom] Simpson's.
[Rod] That's Simpson's blood.
At the top and at the toe.
And the same on the other
at the toe.
[Tom] You've got Simpson's
blood, the suspect on the toe
and at the top of the sock.
You indicated how that got
there. And in the center,
- you got projected blood.
- Exactly.
From the victim.
And juror number seven,
she never believed
he was guilty.
Is this before she heard the
evidence, apparently.
Thought that the physical
abuse side of the case
was, quote, belongs somewhere
down the hall in another court.
This was a murder trial.
The defense shows
without any doubt that
that's exactly what it was.
Yet she associated this
apparently with some kind of,
uh, uh, abuse to the victim.
Yeah, it was plenty of abuse,
but I guess it just didn't
sink in that way with her.
[911 operator]
Attention all units,
domestic violence at 30...
correction,
325 south crescent ring way,
advise, the suspect has now
entered...
[Nicole]
O.J., the kids are sleeping.
[911 operator] 4-2-2-1 are the
825, children involved.
[O.J.] You didn't give a shit
about the kids
when they were fucking sitting
in the living room.
They were here.
You give my kids shit?
Oh, it's different now...
[Bill] My partner,
Detective Lange
enter interview room
in Parker Center.
Tand the time is 13:35 hours.
And we're here
with O.J. Simpson,
i
And what is your birthdate?
[O.J.] July 9, 1947.
[Tom] Okay, prior to us talking
to you as we agreed
with your attorney,
I'm gonna give you...
Is my hair okay? Is there.
Every time I meet someone and
they find out that I'm Kato,
the witness in the trial, they
all want to be a part of it.
They all have a story,
and it's like, why do you
want to be associated with that?
I don't want to be
associated with that.
But they are coming up with
these different theories.
You know, if I'm a detective.
I'm going, geez,
Tom, you take this call.
It's the psychic.
I'll never forget when
detective Vannatter said to me,
It's just there in my brain,
this is a two minute
Columbo episode
because we have
so much evidence.
And I was like, Oh, wow.
All of little pointed
in one direction.
[Reporter] Mark asked Kato if he
thought his new pal O.J.
could help his
struggling acting career.
I don't think we're going for
the same parts, right.
I'm going to L.A. to be an actor
and things are going okay.
And I was in a few commercials.
I was doing my things.
I kept going,
Hey, I could be Brad Pitt.
Oh, okay, maybe Armpit.
His brother.
- What's your name?
- Erin.
[Man] Any book deals or anything
happening for you?
Coloring book, maybe one day.
I'll do a coloring book.
We'll see.
Do you have a crayon?
You do. You do carry a crayon,
don't you?
I noticed that about you.
Everything has a blueprint
in your life,
and for whatever reason,
mine was to be a witness
in this trial.
In 1994, my friend
produced a movie.
Believe it or not, I had the
script three months earlier
to Dumb and Dumber, and that was
the film that I was tested for.
And later in life I got to meet
the Farrelly brothers
who directed that film.
And I'm going,
You guys got to hear this story.
[Tom] You were hanging around
O.J. for quite a while,
and you probably get opinions.
He was a wealthy guy. I wasn't.
So it was sort of like
he was tax bracket was Danish,
I was donuts.
So I converted that way.
He loved having people
make sure they knew it was him.
A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window
and he was wearing
a dark colored knit cap.
Coincidentally, the same type
of knit cap at the crime scene.
[Kato] I Believe that
she was dating a guy,
that his name was Keith
at the time that I think
that was who O.J. was spying on.
[Tom] There's a lot of things in
this case that weren't brought
as evidence
that should have been brought.
Marcia Clark's doing her job.
The only thing was
I don't know why she called me
a hostile witness.
Basically what she's saying is
whatever Kato says,
it really means nothing.
Kato was Kato and Kato didn't
give up a lot during that trial.
Probably just
because of that fact,
you're not going to cooperate.
I wouldn't either.
I think he was as forthright
as he could be,
and there's no reason
for him not to be.
Everybody's says and even the
media says, you know,
then the cops get involved.
And the biggest problem they had
is they concentrated
on O.J. Simpson.
They never looked at
another person.
That's all B.S.
That's not true.
There's other people
that were suspects.
We actually have what we call
a clue file.
And among those were
512 of these things
that we investigated.
And among them
were about 50
potential suspects.
- [Kato] 150?
- [Tom] Fifty, 5-0
potential suspects.
We spent months on other
possible suspects in this case.
It's all documented.
It was all turned over.
Go down here to, oh, look at
this, 317, what does that say?
[Kato] Kato killed the Nicole
because she broke up with Kato.
Suggest putting Kato
on the lie detector.
Well, it's not me.
- You know what the good news is?
- What?
- You're a three.
- I'm a three.
That's a Category three,
that's always good to know.
On top of her head,
she also has a stab wound.
She has contusions.
There's another wound on her
that hasn't happened yet.
O.J. Simpson's blood
on the toes.
[Kato] His name was Keith.
That was who O.J. was spying on.
There's a lot of things in this
case that weren't brought
as evidence.
This was one of them.
Kato, suggest putting Kato
and the lie detector.
Well, it's not me.
They're interviewing over 50
suspects, 5-0, and to know
they collected so much evidence
that never was used,
- I'd be so pissed off.
- I told you we had this audio,
I wanna play that
for you in a bit.
But looking around here
at all these pictures,
what does that look like?
This picture right here?
That's the old Kato room
right there. It's clean.
It was 5:00 or so
in the morning,
there's a knock at my door,
and all I saw to the door
were four guys.
And I just let you in.
I'm in a daze at that time,
I'm always in a daze
but I'm in a daze
because of sleep.
Picture this though, really,
four guys at 5:00 a.m.
coming to your door
and you don't even ask
if they're really police
and you say, Come on in.
He said to me, he said,
What did you wear last night?
And I said,
Oh, it's on that chair.
Now, you have to understand,
I don't know what's going on.
Then I start thinking,
something happened to O.J.
is there plane crash?
Ten hours earlier?
Were you lying in bed?
Something happened.
I was on the phone.
I heard a noise,
and a picture moved,
and I said,
did we have an earthquake?
- To her on the phone?
- Yeah.
Sort of a...
like, what was that?
What's behind your bed wall,
on the outside?
There's an air conditioner.
And that's about it.
Does that look like the air
conditioning unit behind you?
Yeah. Someone said, you hear
anything unusual last night?
I said, I don't know if
this is an important thing,
but my picture moved.
But it might not be anything.
It happened behind this wall.
[Tom] Yeah, that was
kind of important
because right down here
was the glove, right?
- So it kind of was important.
- Yeah, it was important.
[Kato] Everybody remembers
the bloody glove, everybody.
[Tom] And so I get back to this
audio I was telling you about.
I want to get a feeling for what
you think about his responses.
This isn't interrogation.
If the cops are going to
interrogate somebody,
they usually confront them.
You don't do that with someone
like this, who's a sociopath.
Number two, probably
kick your ass anyway.
The audio for Kato was the
interview that Bill Vannatter
and I did with Simpson.
And this is about 14 hours after
the murders occurred.
At this point, Simpson is
not a suspect.
He's a potential suspect.
We still want to know
his side of things.
What's going on?
What did you do last night?
I know you just
got in from Chicago.
We had these terrible murders.
I want to see what
he's got to say about that.
[Tom] We're investigating,
obviously, the death
of your ex-wife and another man.
Someone told us that.
How did you get the injury
on your hands?
[O.J.] I don't know.
N I was in Chicago, I know.
But at the house, I was just
running around and I...
[Tom] How'd you do it?
[O.J.] I broke a glass.
I just was...
you had, one of you guys had
just call me
and I was in the bathroom
and I was in the bathroom
a
for a little bit.
And it was a normal dance,
humbling, bumbling around.
Well, you know, I cut it
back in Chicago on a glass,
on a drinking glass.
I cut my fingers all the time.
You know, I'm playing golf,
I'm doing this, I'm doing that.
So we're getting two or three
different scenarios.
[Tom] If you recall,
bleeding at all
in the truck, in the Bronco?
[O.J.] I recall bleeding
at my house.
And then I went to the...
went to the Bronco.
The last thing I did
The last thing I did
b
was I went and got my phone
out of the Bronco.
[Tom] Do you recall
bleeding at all?
Yeah. I mean, I knew I was
bleeding. It was no big deal.
I bleed all the time, I mean,
I bleed all the time, I mean,
I
There's always some knicks
and stuff.
But if you cut it in Chicago,
you stick with it,
you don't say, Well, I might
have cut it over here.
I might have done this
and I'm cut... and like,
it's no big thing. Let's forget
about it and move on.
That's what he wanted.
Most important evidence now
is blood. Blood evidence.
[Bill] You haven't had any
problems with her lately,
have you?
[O.J.] I always have problems
with her, you know,
I guess our relationship
has been a problem relationship.
[Bill] O.J., well,
that's sort of a problem.
We've got some blood on
and in your car.
Y
And sort of a problem with it.
[O.J.] Well,
we'll take my blood test.
[Tom] Well,
we'd like to do that.
We've got to, of course,
the cut on your finger
that you don't...
not real clear on.
Bleeding with the middle left
finger left side of his body.
So right away
the wheels start spinning.
I want to find out
about that finger.
So I'm building this rapport
and it worked.
He didn't invoke,
as a consequence,
we ended up him cooperating and
letting us look at his finger.
Do you recall having that cut
on your finger the last time
you were at Nicole's house?
[O.J.] A week ago?
No, no.
- [Tom] So it's been since...
- [O.J.] Yeah, right.
Since last night.
So intense and now he's like,
oh I got to cut.
I don't, I don't know
the cut, where I got it.
He's thinking now
what can he say?
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
O.J., you're bleeding.
We'll maybe have somebody
take a look at that,
put a Band-Aid on it, and he
said, Oh, no, that's fine,
everything's okay.
The back of my mind,
I'm thinking evidence. Meanwhile
he gives us three really sketchy
responses about how
he cut his finger.
[Bill] What do you think
happened?
[O.J.] I had no idea, man.
You guys haven't
told me anything.
I have no idea what happened
when you said to my daughter,
said something to me today
that somebody else
might have been involved.
might have been involved.
I
w why or what?
You guys haven't
told me anything.
Every time I asked you guys,
are you going to tell me?
[Tom] Well, we don't we don't
know a lot of the answers
to those questions yet ourself
O.J., okay?
[Bill] Did you ever hit her
O.J.?
[O.J.] Uh... That one night,
we had a fight that night.
That night we had a fight.
She hit me, you know.
And as I said,
they never took my statement.
T They never want to hear
the housekeeper's side.
Nicole was drunk.
She did her thing.
She did her thing.
S
She hit me.
I, I, I got to tell you,
just listen to this.
It's sort of...
she's dead, right?
Let's what else we got here.
[O.J.] I didn't punch her or
anything, but I, I, you know...
[Bill]
Slapped her a couple times.
[O.J.] No, no, I wrastled her
is what I did.
I haven't slapped her at all.
Nicole's a strong girl.
She's a [scoffs] one of
the most conditioned women
since that period of time.
She's hit me a few times,
but I've never touched her
after that.
[Tom] Did Mr. Weissman, your
your lawyer, your attorney
talk to you anything
about this polygraph?
About us performing one?
But what are your thoughts on
that?
[O.J.] Should I talk about my
thoughts on that?
You know, I mean, I'm sure
eventually I'll do it.
But it's like I got some
weird thoughts now.
[Tom] The reason we're
talking to you is you're,
you're the ex-husband.
[O.J.] I know I'm
the number one target.
And now you're telling me
And now you're telling me
I
[Tom] Well, there's blood at
your house in the driveway
and that footstep,
we got a search warrant.
W
[Bill] Is that your blood?
This drip there.
[O.J.] If this is what I dripped
running around trying to leave.
- [Tom] Last night?
- [O.J.] Yeah and I wasn't aware
that it... I was aware that
I you know, I was trying to
get out of the house. I didn't
pay any attention to it.
I mean, you've got to be,
like just pissed off.
Why aren't they using
this stuff that we found?
It was never put on as evidence
and it should have been.
Could have sent you or me to
prison for the rest of our life.
[Kato] I can tell you one thing
I keep close to my heart
is to know where I came from
and all that and I still have
my house guest key and yeah...
Much of autopsy photos trying to
determine what happened.
Now, again, the blood tells the
story, but the wounds
also tell the story.
Well, one thing,
the body is evidence
and then the clothing that the
person wears is evidence.
And one other thing that
people don't regard a lot
is the lack of blood in certain
areas is also evidence.
She goes down because of these
four stab wounds, that here,
that penetrate her heart and it
had to be a long bladed knife
to go that deep.
On top of her head,
she also has a stab wound.
She has contusions.
This would put somebody down
very quickly.
There's another wound on her
that hasn't happened yet
because Ron Goldman walks up.
He is stabbed multiple, multiple
times. He's in a fight.
Look at all the
defensive wounds on him.
He is struggling
with everything within him.
There's a total of 29 stabbing
wounds, cuts, defensive wounds.
And this happened, as we know,
in seconds.
There's what's called
a swallowtail,
if you will look at this,
you'll see that the knife is in
its down deep in his neck.
Now this is a long bladed knife.
Here's what's significant.
This swallowtail means that the
knife cut at this plane
and then the knife shifted
and cut at this plane.
Do you know why it shifted?
It's because he's moving.
He's got a knife in his neck
and he is struggling
and he is still up.
Now, one thing that tells me
that he was up
a significant amount of time
is the wounds to his body
bled as he is standing.
If you go shift over to the
picture of his pants
that are over here on the wall,
it's down both sides,
this doesn't happen when you're
laying in on the ground
in the position that he's in.
Look at all the way down
on the right side.
- Sure.
- Huge amount of blood.
But it takes a little time
to soak, and to run.
So he's fighting.
This kid is fighting
with everything within him.
Even with the wounds,
he's not going to go down
because he's trying to save
that person's life
that's laying there, that he's
delivering the glasses to,
that's laying down on that step.
[Tom] And you can tell
by the lack of blood,
- they're perimortem wounds.
- [Rod] Exactly.
She has abrasions from
consistent with going down
against that tree.
So he's in a fight.
So now he's down
and he's seated on his buttocks.
He has his back
up against the fence,
the attacker could have left
the scene at that time.
But that's when
the attacker goes over
and we've already looked at
the wounds of Nicole Simpson,
but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.
[Allan] You know,
made the second call at 10:44.
He made the third call.
I think we're up to about 10:46
at about that time.
That's when I see a dark figure
come across the driveway here.
I heard a noise,
a picture moved.
Sort of a...
like, what was that?
[O.J.] I know I'm
the number one target.
You've got to be, like,
just pissed off.
[O.J.] I knew I was bleeding,
but it was no big deal.
I bleed all the time.
[Tom] The blood tells the story,
but the wounds also
tell a story.
[Rod] And we've already looked
at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,
but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.
That's right here.
This is cut all the way
back to the vertebrae.
But the attacker
didn't stop there.
Turns and goes back to
Ron Goldman,
which is just a step
and pulls him over.
That's when you saw
his shirt way up.
Sure, these are grab marks
on the shirt.
- [Tom] Goldman's shirt.
- [Rod] That's what they...
that's a pattern.
That's another pattern.
And grabs him and then goes from
his right to his left
with the same knife
cutting his throat.
And that's insurance
that both of them are dead.
Got everything but
a serial number.
I mean, with all of these
wounds, people will say, well,
there's two different knives
and all that is
is an intersecting wound.
[Rod] Just imagine Nicole was
probably playing with her Akita.
- Yeah.
- The door rings or something,
and she goes out,
life is over in seconds.
- My gosh.
- You know you're going to die.
You don't see it. If I could...
You know you're going to die.
This is nine months
after the trial,
jurors are appearing on things
like Larry King,
juror number three,
female, white, age 60.
She states she feels
he was guilty,
but the evidence wasn't there
and I've got, huh?
With a big question mark, I
don't care if he was guilty
or not guilty, you didn't look
at the evidence.
But there was other things
in this, too,
that was very important
that need to be brought out.
And one of them was a photograph
of Nicole in a little negligee,
a black negligee
that she was wearing.
There was a pattern
on that negligee
right under her right arm
on her back.
And it appeared to be
a footprint.
And it was very well defined,
but a good picture
wasn't taken of it.
[Tom] You circled something
here. What did you circle?
[Rod] I did. When I looked at
this clothing.
This was a footprint type
impression in like mud and blood
on her back.
There was a lot of flaky blood
there. Doesn't show it here.
Now, what does that mean?
That means that blood
had to be on the ground
before this was applied, right?
- Yeah.
- And so this is a
stomp impression before he left,
which includes that...
there's that rage
and it's right here
on her back
underneath the clothing.
Looks like a shoe impression,
which is bruising,
which means her heart
is still beating.
- Right.
- So she had a little bit of life
left in her in those
few seconds that it took
this thing to occur and here you
have that pattern.
That's not lividity. So that is
a last final, you know...
He's thinking.
I don't want to say it.
- You testify to that?
- That's a medical examiner's.
- And we had it.
- Who found it?
- Well, I found it.
- Yeah. You're supposed to share
- with the prosecutor, right?
- Right. Well, we did.
I know you did. We've shared a
lot with the prosecutor.
- We just didn't see it in trial.
- Right. Right.
You have to look at every piece
of evidence, every piece,
looking at everything
in order to reconstruct.
In Ron Goldman's shirt
had two patterns
on the back of the shirt
and they were grab patterns.
[Tom] This is Ron Goldman's
shirt.
[Rod] Okay. This is very
interesting.
This is something that
wasn't used in the trial.
But these are hand transfers.
And I looked at that,
took pictures of that
and actually picked hairs
off of the front of that jacket.
This is consistent with a
grabbing of the material
and in the struggle
or pulling him over to his side
when he's up against the fence.
And that's why you see what
looks like fingers
in the voids in between, because
the blood can't get there.
And you have sort of a twisting
action that is here
in both of these. If I grabbed
you with the bloody hand,
I'm going to grab you
when it's released
and goes to the lab.
The laboratory will
lay it out flat
and then you will see voids,
blood can't get down in there.
And that's why you see
what looks like fingers
in the voids in between because
the blood can't get there.
And you have a sort of a
twisting action that is here
- in both of these.
- Same time you showed the DA
- the pictures?
- Yes. And explained
what the grab marks were.
Yeah. It's not a stab and run.
This is going to tell us what
happened during the struggle.
So the jury sitting there,
they don't know about this.
Man to man, right?
Ron Goldman had no stab wounds
in his back.
They were at the side
and there were five defects
in the back of the shirt, but he
had no stab wounds in his back.
What does that mean? It's
consistent with the struggle.
Struggle around while the
jacket, the shirt is being held
tightly, and then it's twisted
in such a way
that when he's stabbed, he's
actually stabbing into his side.
That's just indicative
of a struggle.
There were superficial wounds
on his neck.
These are just simply wounds
where the attacker
couldn't get the knife in
trying to cut the throat.
What came between
were these appendages the hands,
the gloves on the hand
in this fight, this is going on.
- Yeah.
- And there's a there's has to be
an arm around the neck
of Ron Goldman because
the glove comes off.
I mean, he's not going to
turn around, say,
hey, stop fighting.
I'ma take off the glove.
You just don't do that.
This is a struggle.
[Tom] Recovered a bunch of
gloves from Simpson's house
per the search warrant
and I was told to go in
and in court, open court
out of the presence of the jury,
prosecutors here,
defense lawyers here,
investigators behind them
and I'm just kind of
looking over the top and they
don't want me to be looking.
And I said, wait a minute.
I've been instructed to watch
what he's doing when
he puts the gloves on,
[Man] You think O.J. had a bag
with the bloody clothes
because every time he put
a new pair of gloves on,
he's under the counsel table
like this, putting them on,
well, they were
slipping right on.
These are from my house?
Simpson is asking me.
These are from my house?
No, no, no talking. No talking.
They shut me up real quick.
[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.
This again, was out of the
presence of the jury.
But again, they're just trying
to cover this stuff up.
You got to keep it simple.
Be able to explain it.
Don't talk over anybody
at a level
that they don't understand.
I'm not the best artist
in the world.
You know, this is
Nicole Simpson's wounds.
She had seven stab wounds
to neck and the scalp.
I describe the severed wound
on her neck.
There's not one thing
that's not explainable.
[Tom] Somebody made a quote
about it sounds like
we screwed everything up.
I said, you know,
we screwed this case up
at every level
and everything still comes back
pointing at Simpson,
there was nothing exculpatory
in this case
that was substantive nature.
And by that, I mean
there's nothing anybody could
point to that says,
well, maybe he didn't do it,
which is very rare
in any murder case.
Would you use these
testifying in court?
[Rod] Oh, I'd have them
in front of me.
[Tom] That's why you did this.
And I would provide the defense
a copy of these.
- That's what you did.
- I don't hide these.
They never ask for my numbers.
10-11-1994, a few months after
it happened on June 12th.
- For the trial.
- And here we have the autopsy,
the transection of the neck,
the left jugular.
That gives me where the wound
started, you know,
from his right to his left,
because it comes deeper,
starts shallower, and then we
have multiple stab wounds
to the chest and the abdomen
and the thigh.
That's why you have all the
bleeding that we have
on his pants and numerous
bruises, abrasions, cuts,
stab wounds, the left jugular.
You know where my reports
had to go?
Did you... are you aware
that I was not allowed
to send my reports
to who I worked for
and was hired by
and retained by the prosecution?
I was ordered to send everything
everything to Judge Ito.
So I think the ball
is in your court to justify.
That's the strangest thing
I've ever had happened.
Who ordered you to send
everything to judge Ito?
Judge Ito did.
You didn't know that, did you?
No, I didn't know that.
The National Enquirer was
setting up some kind of
a command post in Simi Valley
to do some background on me.
Sunday, March 12th. I got one of
my daughters, 11 years old,
and I'm taking her
to Sunday school.
Back around this time,
they still had phone booths
and there was a phone booth
outside the service station.
And I look over
and I do a double take.
If it wasn't Carl Douglas,
the defense attorney,
then he's got
a double somewhere.
I live in Simi Valley and
everybody knows that's where
the Rodney King trial occurred.
So people who are racists,
and who are dirty cops,
who plant evidence,
they must live in Simi Valley.
Three times, while I was on the
stand, Cochran asked me
about Simi Valley,
to tie me into that.
So I look at this
and I'm thinking, Well, yeah,
they tried to push this thing.
This is not a racist valley.
In a high profile case,
especially one that's televised,
to 55 million people a day.
The court wants to maintain
some type of control,
I would think.
Not true necessarily
in this case.
Stop this cover up.
If you have the defense
going to the media
two or three times a day
during trial,
going after witnesses, the court
should have instructed
all the attorneys, cops,
anybody else involved
that they should not talk to
anybody about any evidence
at any time in this case
until the case is concluded.
Nobody got gagged,
except two people.
Me and my partner.
And the defense loved it
when we got gagged
and they weren't.
[Rod] Looking at
this photograph here,
that bring back any memories.
[Allan] Yeah it does
and you know, not good ones.
I'm Allan Park,
O.J. Simpson's limousine driver,
the unknown that became the
known more than I ever wanted.
The time I left?
11:15.
You wouldn't lie to me when I
talk to you, would you?
No.
It was for a 10:45
pickup that night.
No activity in the house
or on the property or anything.
I sat there for a little bit,
smoked a cigarette.
I saw that there was a um,
an intercom system right there
with a telephone.
Rang, rang, rang, rang, rang.
No answer, no answer.
Started to ring
on the intercom again.
Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.
No answer, no answer.
When I made the first call,
you know you're talking,
you know, 10:43 you know,
I made the second call 10:44.
Made the third call.
I think we're up to about 10:46
at about that time.
That's when I see a dark figure
come across the driveway here
and there you see the paw print,
just like we have
in the photograph that's here.
Same pattern was projected
onto her back.
- Yeah.
- In that photograph.
You just don't speculate and
throw ideas out there
to the jury and say,
because I said so.
That doesn't cut it.
The one that is going to ensure
that she's going to die.
It's right here.
And numerous bruises, abrasions,
cuts, stab wounds.
I was ordered to send everything
to Judge Ito.
It's the strangest thing.
That's when I see dark figure
come across the driveway.
I'm here at the gate looking
straight in.
I could see him
from about this area here,
is when he comes into view.
- It was a quick walk.
- Quick walk.
It wasn't a run,
pick up the intercom again
and start to ring.
It rang a few times
before he finally picked up
and he said, you know,
Hey, hey, man, sorry
I overslept.
I just got outta the shower
and I'll be down in a minute.
I'm expecting him to
open up the gate.
He never buzzed me in,
the gate never opened.
And Allan said that he
felt something strange.
It didn't fit. You know, he's
here to pick someone up,
take 'em to the airport,
something he didn't understand.
And it's not too long
after I hang up the intercom,
I see another person come out
from this walkway out here
up to the driveway.
We all know now it was Kato.
Opens up the gate
and lets me in.
Kato's right up on me and he's
like, hey man, hey, hey,
did you feel an earthquake?
[Reporter] Kato had not seen
O.J. for more than an hour
since their return
from McDonald's at 9:35.
[Attorney] Did he seem real
excited to have you come?
[Judge] Sustained.
Wouldn't you?
[Allan] Meanwhile OJ still
hasn't come out of the house.
At one point Kato tells me that,
he goes, well, I was talking
to a girlfriend of mine
on the phone.
I heard some thumps on the wall
and the picture moved.
And that's about when OJ
came out of the house.
[Tom] The word is it occurred
about 10:35 give or take.
We had this witness
hearing this commotion.
[Allan] When OJ came over to the
car, he was uh, I don't know.
A little bit aggitated.
He seemed to be sweating.
[Tom] It was warm that night
then, you're saying?
[Allan] It was June 12,
11:00 at night.
I was wearing a suit
and I wasn't hot.
[Tom] Was he actually sweating?
I'm not the sweat expert.
It's almost laughable.
The defense had to do something.
They had their
reputations on the line.
The world is watching them, too.
What are they gonna do?
Are they gonna roll over
and say, yeah, he did it.
That he didn't mean to?
No, they're gonna
attack everything.
[Allan] As we're standing there,
he overhears Kato asking about
an earthquake again.
And that's when O.J. asked.
He goes, oh,
we had an earthquake?
It's like, no man,
we didn't have an earthquake.
Dude, come on.
Kato is generally, he's scared
about something back there.
I can tell.
He's really aggitated.
And he really wants to go
back there and check it out.
[Tom] Back where?
[Allan] To go see where these,
the sounds were on his wall.
O.J. asked him about, you know,
we had an earthquake.
I said, no,
we didn't have any earthquake.
I hear O.J. clearly say, all
right, we'll go check it out.
And he points to Kato
to go around here.
He says he's gonna go that way.
O.J. follows right behind him.
And I'm like,
that's kind of weird.
He just said he was gonna
go the other way.
O.J. turns around and as he sees
that I'm following him,
he's all, we gotta go.
We gotta get out of here.
You know, we're runnin' late.
Kato offered to go get this
little, black bag that was
behind the uh, the black car
that, that was there,
with the trunk opened.
Simpson abruptly stopped him.
Said, no, no. I'll get that bag.
Went himself and grabbed this
half-bone shaped travel bag.
We've never seen that bag,
what was in it.
No, I thought it was
a little bit strange.
When he left American Airlines,
the last thing he remembers
seeing is O.J. standing right
next to the trash container
at the left of the entrance.
And on top of that trash
container is that half
bone-shaped travel bag
that the other witness
identifies as being on
top of the container.
Says, yeah, I also saw
him shove something down
in the trash container.
Prior to the
preliminary hearing,
he's interviewed by Marcia,
the prosecutor.
And he tells her this.
This is the last thing I saw.
That should have been used.
Again, to this day,
people say, where is the knife?
Where is the shoes?
Where is the clothing?
Well, what did he stick
in that trash container?
Tell me in your own words what
you think of this whole mess.
I'm nervous.
I know that I'm going on TV
in front of the world, you know,
and here my attorney mom is
like, oh, isn't this exciting,
you know?
I'm like, no, mom.
I'm gonna freakin' puke here.
[Tom] Like two days
after this occurs,
you get a phone call
from a couple of guys
who say they're lawyers,
Bob and Skip.
[Allan] The defense.
They were the first ones
- to get ahold of me, yes.
- [Tom] Anybody? Simpson?
They said that
they were attorneys
and that they were
representing Mr. Simpson.
[Tom] Well, when they interview
you, nobody ever advised you
that it was being tape recorded.
It was illegal,
but they continued on.
This is what you call
a fishing expedition.
[Allan] It was like Patty Jo
or something that's in charge
of the witnesses.
And she says, well,
Marcia's coming back up here.
She wants to talk to you.
Brought a tape recording
that the defense did with me.
We listened to the tape all
the way through and then you
can hear me hang-up
and the tape's still rolling.
And the first thing we hear them
say is, well, that's funny.
That's not what
O.J.'s telling us.
I mean, we looked
at all each other,
Marcia, I and our
jaws just dropped.
And the next thing he says,
are you usually sweaty when
you get out of the shower?
Bob Shapiro, the defense
attorney was involved.
He was called by his nickname
was BS, Bob Shapiro.
Why don't we jump to the trial?
Johnny Cochran has you on cross.
They really hammered me
on the bags.
You know, they brought in the
Louis Vuitton garment bag.
They seemed to have those bags.
[Reporter] O.J.'s lawyers tried
to claim the vanished valise
was really this one.
They started asking me firstly
is that, is this the bag?
I said, no, that's not the bag.
When they said, the bag,
what the bag is he talking to?
The bag that was on the trash
can, trying to tell me that,
that's it and they said,
and I even told them.
I said, look and that bag's
never been used.
It's brand new,
still folded and crushed.
It looks like it just
came out of a package.
I mean, I can't believe I didn't
even see a price tag on it.
Judge Ito is listening to this,
but he's doing something.
He's not really
paying attention.
I don't know what they were
trying to do with the bag thing.
Get you to roll over on it
and say, yeah, that was it.
- I never did.
- Case closed.
Yeah, never did.
[Tom] I got this shot from
Bundy looking westwards,
towards Nicole.
We look at this.
There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.
We see all this blood flowing
down towards the street.
But in the middle here,
there's a lot of prints, okay?
The defense, one of the defense
experts came out and said
She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.
When talking about the crime
scene, one of the problems
to the LAPD cops who were
at the crime scene,
they walked through
a lot of blood,
left their footwear impressions
all over the place.
[Rod] Nicole's dog got out
and that was the
Akita dog named Kato.
All this is he's running up
and down in the blood
creating transfers
from paw prints.
The dog is frantic.
But there's dozens of them.
They're all over.
Yeah, the dog even goes
and puts his paws up above her,
the step, bloody paw prints
and doesn't go any further,
and drew the feet back.
There you can see
the paw prints.
He drew it back.
And it's spattered blood.
And then leaves,
goes up and down the sidewalk.
There is so much evidence
in this case.
Multiple paw prints,
bloody paw prints of the dog,
Nicole's dog running up
and down traumatized
as to what's going on.
Those are not footprints
from a human being.
[Tom] If I was just
looking at it objectively,
this needs an explanation.
That's a dog paw
going across here.
If I'm gonna look at this crime
scene and see anything,
and I'm of the jury
or anyone else,
I want to find out
what happened.
[Rod] So you experiment.
And I made a video.
And we're doing this last
experiment on concrete
to simulate the conditions of
concrete with the state
of the home with a
simulated body in the scene.
And we're gonna have the dog run
up close to create patterns
on the back of the subject to
see if those patterns match
the one in the scene, if
they're from a different source
or if they could be from the
source we're gonna create here.
[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.
So we'll pour the stage blood.
[Rod] And this is
a canine deputy.
There you go.
It's animal blood.
Gets the dog excited.
And the dog will run around
leaving paw prints.
And I pour some more blood there
to see if we can replicate.
And the dog, there you see
the paw prints just like
that we have in the
photograph that's here.
- Yeah.
- And...
And then the same pattern was
projected onto her back
as we have here
in that photograph.
You just don't speculate
and throw ideas out there
to the jury and say
because I said so.
That doesn't cut it.
They had a bunch of kids out
front during the trial
selling t-shirts, free O.J..
I asked this one kid.
Nice kids, actually.
We talked to them a little bit.
We had kind of a back and forth
with these kids.
Because they did
have a sense of humor.
I'd asked them, you know,
how do sales go
in something like this?
And this kid looked me right
in the eye and he said,
the longer you have
him in there,
the more money I make out here.
So keep going type of thing.
So we went inside.
We got stopped halfway in there.
I think it was CNN,
a young reporter, a young woman.
And she asked, who are those
fellas you were talking to?
I said, well, I'm not supposed
to tell anybody,
but these are these four kids.
They're witnesses.
And we're trying to get into
court, so nobody sees them.
Just screwing with them.
And they come on and they report
these four mysterious witnesses
that the prosecutors are trying
to sneak into the court.
Now it's the big
story of the morning.
[Tom] I'm gonna say
that the major controversy
in this whole case was
blood on the rear gate.
Do you remember
hearing that phrase?
[Rod] Yeah.
I didn't get involved in that
issue, but I do know about it.
That's why it's good to have
an objective opinion now
on something that I'm
about to show you here.
[Reporter] Defense attorney,
Barry Sheck illicits testimony
to support his theory
that O.J. Simpson was framed.
We had criminalists
at the scene,
you had blood everywhere.
Three weeks later,
we go on a walk through
and we come to the rear gate,
the infamous rear gate.
One of the district attorneys
looks down at the lower rung.
And he sees what
appears to be blood.
This is three weeks later.
And he looks at it.
And he says, well,
we better take that.
They collect the sample.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.
So the big question
from the defense,
well, why didn't you get
this the first time?
It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs
with that and everybody
else runs with it.
Blood on the rear gate.
The Simpson jury never got
an explanation for anything.
This is in seconds,
in 12 seconds
is an explanation that
could take some people a month.
And you did it in 12 seconds.
Why in the hell
they never saw this.
I don't know the answer to that.
[Rod] The door rings or
something and she goes out.
Life is over in seconds.
You know you're gonna die.
We hear them say, that's not
what O.J.'s telling us.
[Tom] The infamous rear gate.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.
Well, why didn't you get this
the first time?
It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs
with that and everybody
else runs with it.
Blood on the rear gate.
Well, in this one here, I call
my bible, my Simpson bible.
It's about details
with all of the nonsense
and all of the bureaucracy.
So I put the realities
in there with perceptions.
Neglected evidence.
There were 512 additional
so-called clues.
So I've got a couple of photos
taken on the day of the
crime scene investigation.
This is the rear gate.
I don't know how
good your sight is,
but if you want to
get a magnifying glass.
Oh, I can see what
you're talking about.
Can you see something down here?
See a little blood drop?
Three weeks later we had
this photograph here.
Same location, same
configuration, same blood.
I'm 100% that's the blood drop.
Drops of blood that are
a certain distance apart.
You can see the
measurement here.
And that still exists
in this photograph.
So I wanted them to rebut the
planted blood on the rear gate.
They wouldn't do it.
The bottom line is the
prosecution did not put this on.
It's very strong when you get
accused of planting blood
and you're the investigating
officer in a double murder case.
Someone's gotta say something.
Someone's gotta get pissed off.
It's as simple as that.
[Rod] It's a pattern.
In other words you have
two drops that are distant,
the same measurement apart.
Somebody dropped the ball.
Why wasn't this found
originally?
They did have the criminalist
testify. That's why he was...
Attention was diverted.
It was a mistake
that he didn't collect it.
That's too bad, but if somebody
turned this around
and made it sound like cops
planted this evidence.
We just proved that they didn't.
Why wouldn't they want a
jury to look at these two?
The defense has a motion.
Have you ever heard
the term, coverup?
[Tom] To get hair
samples from myself.
The coverup continues.
[Tom] I don't have
all that much.
I think the standard
was 40 follicles.
Maybe they'll find me
in contempt or something.
Cause I don't even
have that many.
He wants some hair samples
from us because if hair becomes
an issue in the case, it could
be that cops had left it there.
For what? I don't know.
Just a dirty cop.
They actually pushed it.
They said we would like blood
samples from these cops.
Well, there's only three bloods
here of any interest.
The two victims
and the suspect, Simpson.
And that's the defense.
And they get away
with this crap.
If you gag everybody involved,
prevent them from going to the
media three to four times a day,
and putting their own spin on
evidence and cops are dirty.
Cops are lying.
Cops are planting evidence.
We can't respond to that.
We're gagged.
We're investigating this.
If we're dirty,
the case against him is lost.
[Nicole] He drove up again.
Can you send somebody over?
[Operator] Wait a minute.
What kind of car is he in?
[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.
First of all,
he broke the back door down.
But they can't show us
any evidence of that.
[Rod] Before the speculation
that occurred out there
among the public and experts
that one of them said
that this fight between
whoever the attacker was
and Nicole Brown Simpson
lasted at least 15 minutes.
- 15 minutes is a long time.
- Oh, yeah.
When the public
was thrown astray,
it messed up the timeline
because O.J. Simpson, a suspect
was already at the airport when
this fight is still going on,
alledgely type thing.
Well, let me show you something.
Took two homicide detectives,
put them in white,
used a retracted-bladed knife.
And the instructions were,
we want you two to fight.
And we want you to fight
as long as you can fight.
So I want to show you something
as to how long it takes
for this fight to occur
simulating the attack
and the information,
the evidence that we had
from the Simpson crime scene.
When that video starts running,
we'll say go.
We'll put, put it on this.
It'll all be videoed.
And here's your knife.
So watch this.
The cameras are going.
Okay, Ron Goldman walks in.
Here he comes.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
He's stepping in the blood.
There you see
the projected stains.
Okay. How long did that take?
Stop time.
Okay, don't step in anything.
Just stay there right now.
Now you know how
much time that was?
12 seconds.
- How many times is he stabbed?
- 30 times.
How long did that take?
- 12 seconds.
- 12 seconds.
That's a long time.
Look how much blood is on the
person that gets attacked.
And this would be Ron Goldman.
Look how little gets on
to this person and where it was,
was around the socks
and the shoes.
I still have that clothing.
Took it as evidence to present
in the trial to show how little
blood gets on the attacker
because it forces away from
and here you have all the blood
that's down here.
This is not something
where we're just gonna
play around here.
No, they fought.
It was almost identical
to what my findings were.
Goldman went down.
The person playing Goldman
went down by the force from
the person that's stabbing him.
And his feet go up.
And he goes down.
And they're moving
around in the blood.
Smearing the blood exactly
like it was at the scene
for 30 stab wounds,
incised wounds in this fight.
There's another transfer pattern
here on the north wall,
which at its highest point is
We were very happy that
we found this amount of blood
one foot, four and three
quarters of an inch high.
[Tom] That kind of takes me
back to 3:00 AM on June 12th.
All this blood
and everything else.
Someone who gets stabbed this
many times, this viciously...
[Rod] This is personal, hate.
[Tom] Because we're
assuming if it's hate,
the suspect has
to know the victim.
[Rod] You've done the deed.
You've killed the people
that you went there to kill.
And then somebody was wrong
place, wrong time.
As soon as they got there,
I felt that, that's what
happened here.
This wasn't sex.
This wasn't theft.
This was revenge, mad, hate.
Notice that these projected
stains, they go out to the side,
those that didn't hit the
pavement hit the socks.
[Tom] The average person
would think there should be
a whole lot of blood
on him and there's not.
[Rod] But the victims have
a lot of blood on them.
Ron Goldman's covered in blood.
Nicole Brown Simpson
is covered in blood.
But the person that you
suspected, O.J. Simpson,
where did it have his blood?
On the back of the legs,
around the feet,
on the socks.
[Tom] Sure. One or two
of the jurors alluded to,
they said that Simpson, if he
was the killer would've been
covered in blood.
If they were shown this video,
they might have a
different opinion.
How can you
question any of this?
And the blood would
be on the gloves.
There you go.
This doesn't lie.
And there were a lot of
people observing it.
This is the grab mark.
[Tom] Yeah. And the Simpson
jury never got an explanation
for anything.
You know? You're right.
This here, in seconds,
in 12 seconds,
is an explanation that could
take some people a month.
And you did it in 12 seconds.
Why in the hell
I never saw this?
I don't know the answer to that.
The answer's simple.
Put it in the damn evidence.
The first ballot
was 10 to 2, actually.
And there were two holdouts that
said, we think he was guilty.
It didn't take but an hour and a
half for the rest of the jurors
to talk these two
into rolling over.
Juror number six just flat out
came and said,
I don't believe any
of the police witnesses
other than her door? Was it to...
without any further explanation.
They need evidence to show,
so they're like,
the glove has his
print on it, whatever.
And see the grab mark?
Look at the grab mark.
That's a grab mark.
Two of those were on the back
of Goldman's shirt.
All they need is one person
in that jury box to roll over
and say, hey,
I don't think he did it.
There is so much
evidence in this case.
[Rod] This wasn't staged.
I mean,
we just told them to fight.
[Tom] It's rage.
[Rod] Rage, fear,
revenge, theft or sex.
It all fits.
It all fits.
Everybody says today, they say,
he'd have been covered in blood.
Yeah, look at
the projected stain.
Look at the projected stains.
[Tom] If I was in the jury
looking at this,
I can say, well, maybe he
wouldn't be covered in blood.
You know?
That would be my responsibility
to explain that.
Of course, we never saw it.
We never saw it.
Nine months of this
and you take four hours
to come to a decision,
two of those being lunch.
I don't care whether
he was guilty or not guilty,
that means you
didn't ask questions.
You didn't ask for inquiries
in this, that or the other.
Were they napping?
I don't know.
[Reporter] Juror number one
shocked the court
by handing over the verdict.
[Tom] Look at the evidence.
A supposition is not evidence.
Evidence is evidence.
Come back this soon,
they have found him guilty.
And no one can tell me
they looked at this evidence
with any amount
of curiosity, period.
Some fancy lawyer throws a bunch
of nine dollar words at you.
And you're like, boy,
he sounds really good.
He can't be lying
or whatever else. He's lying.
How could anyone say
that he didn't do it?
There's absolutely no doubt
in my mind that O.J. Simpson
killed Nicole and Ron.
There's no doubt.
[Woman] Not guilty
of the crime of murder.
[cheering]
[Woman] It made me very sad.
I felt very sad for the families
watching their reactions.
If we go back
in history 100 years,
I've never seen
anything like this.
I don't care what people think.
But if you really care and you
wanna know what happened,
dig a little deeper
and see what happened.
Do your own edition.
[Mark] I would like you
to listen carefully.
If you don't understand
anything, tell me, okay?
Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.
If you give up the right
to remain silent,
anything you say can and will
be used against you
in a court of law.