OJ Unseen: Exploitation of Evil (2026) s01e02 Episode Script

[Todd]
Day one was crazy.
As we got into this fake
fighting, OJ turned it on.
No, [bleep] you!
Hey, [bleep] him.
That's it.
[Rick] I don't think anybody
had even seen OJ lose his temper
and use that kind of language.
I want him out of here.
It felt real.
There was F-bombs being thrown.
And I saw it for a second.
Just pure anger.
The whole Todd and OJ
confrontation
felt so damn real.
And then he could switch.
He was like a different dude.
He was making
jokes and laughing.
It's just odd.
Like, it threw me for
a mind-[bleep].
It's like, I think
[Melissa] OJ Simpson seemed
really nice.
That's not something you expect
from someone who has been
accused of, you know,
hurting people.
[Darden] The face you will see
and the man that you will see
will be the face
of a batterer,
a wife beater, an abuser,
a controller,
a murderer.
[911 call audio plays]
[Jemele] People who have the
amount of popularity that
OJ Simpson did
were largely mysterious.
Just because he may be one of
the greatest running backs
ever, because he makes
you laugh on "Naked Gun,"
you don't know anything
about him at all.
[Todd]
So at the end of day one,
I was obligated to drive
OJ back to the hotel.
I was like, holy [bleep],
I'm driving OJ Simpson
north on the 405 in
a white Escalade,
just me and him.
It was surreal.
I'm thinking about,
you know, as I'm going
underpasses, I'm imagining
people overhead with,
you know, signs and cops behind
me, and I'm looking at my rear view.
[reporter, archive]
The air here is absolutely
filled with helicopters,
news choppers,
police choppers all
over the place.
I could close my eyes
and still remember that image
that I thought of.
And he's kind of like in
a fetal position.
And that was
the one that kept
repeating in my head
over and over.
[siren wailing]
[Todd] It felt like
I was in that moment.
I blocked out everything
about the trial.
I was just there to do a job.
But there was like -- it was
that one connecting piece
that I said, "Oh [bleep],
this is real,"
which it kind of brings you
back to reality of who OJ is.
I really had no business
directing this thing.
You know, between OJ
not taking direction,
gags not going the way
we planned --
this production stressed
the [bleep] out of me.
I was so dreading doing
this shoot on day two
that I was literally
taking a shower
sitting down in
the cradle position,
not wanting to go
through the day.
I'm just going,
"You've got to do it.
You've committed to it.
There's no quitting."
At that point, I had to
try to find somebody to
help me control this circus.
[phone buzzes]
[Martin]
I got a call at 9:00 PM
on, like, a Wednesday from
Todd, and he was like,
"I have this thing.
I need your help."
I came in to LA
as a sound mixer,
and then I became a DP,
and at the time,
I wasn't working,
so getting a job
as a director
was perfect.
Todd never mentioned to me
what the project was.
He just told me, "I got a guy,
are you available?
And then I'll tell you
who it is."
And I said yes, because
I hadn't worked in a long time.
And then he said
it was OJ Simpson.
And then I had to really
think about it.
[Todd]
When I dropped the OJ bomb on
Martin, I thought for sure
he was gonna be like
everybody else, like, "Hell no."
I wasn't sure if I wanted to
do something like that,
even when I wasn't working.
I took the show
because I needed to eat.
But what I really
wanted to know was
who OJ Simpson was,
and find out for myself if,
you know, he did it.
Martin did do one thing to
cover his ass, though.
I said, "I'm not gonna put
my name on it."
I have an alias that I'll run
with, and that's Frank Dracman.
It's Frankenstein, Dracula,
and Wolfman.
I wanted the paycheck.
Frank Dracman
could take the credit.
[OJ] Where in the hell
are the burgers?
We went to a place called
Classic Burger.
[Martin speaking]
If I'm ever
running a drive-through,
you better turn around
and go somewhere else,
because you know you're about
to get juiced.
Just one second, [indistinct].
[Rick]
OJ was a pariah
in many swaths
of society.
[OJ] I always wanted to gauge
and show people what
the public's reaction
really is to me.
Welcome to Classic Burger.
Have you ever tried
our egg rolls?
They're delicious.
Let's see what
we capture on film.
[driver speaking]
What do you direct?
-Falls in love with a what?
-With a deaf guy.
-Huh?
-Deaf.
What?
What'd you say?
I didn't get that.
He has this sort of like,
old-school slapstick sense of
humor where he went after
the easy jabs.
Well, we'll have no trouble
putting the mayonnaise on
the side, but I didn't get
the second part.
You want us to pat
the breast down?
[Todd] And that's when
we started to see
the side we never
saw before.
Can I have a large fries,
large orange juice
You sure you want those
large fries?
You know what they're saying
about fast food making you fat.
[Darden]
What did the defendant say
about your sister's weight
while she was pregnant?
He used to call her a fat pig.
He used to comment like this
all the time.
Yeah.
No, we was just having fun.
It gave me a look
into his personality.
Like, I don't know.
It was telling to me.
[Jemele]
It -- it's a joke.
But it's sort of something
darker than that.
[Darden]
And after she had each of
the children, would he make
similar comments
about her weight?
Yeah, he hated fat women.
[driver laughing]
OJ was absorbing the attention
like a drug.
[Martin] During the trial,
his dirty laundry was out there
for all of us to look at,
and that was probably
the worst thing for him.
And so he was looking
for validation.
Hey.
A lot of people say,
"Well, that looks like OJ,
but he I would never be
doing this."
And they did recognize me,
but they were so
embarrassed for me that my life
had reached this level that
they didn't put on
that they knew me and I swear,
that was kind of heartwarming.
[Scaachi]
In popular media culture,
OJ was viewed as scary.
The show was supposed to be
his proof, his evidence that
he wasn't, that he didn't do
any of this and that he could
win your affection back.
Yeah.
Whew.
He was talking to
these people, like,
giving them
personal information.
He started talking
about his kids.
He opened up.
It's like he wanted to paint
a picture of himself to
the general public that
he wasn't the monster that
he'd been portrayed to be.
I mean, honestly,
like, you start to wonder,
well, maybe he didn't do it.
You know, maybe he is innocent.
And what's your name?
Claudia.
I'm OJ.
But you're pretty cool.
[Martin] OJ, when you
first meet him,
is the nicest man in the world.
But over time, you start to
see the cracks.
-[child shouting]
-[OJ] Open the door.
[Martin]
And I saw a few cracks.
Bloody Bronco.
Bloody Bronco.
It was a really interesting
conversation because it was
introspective on OJ as
a father.
This is my daughter, Taylor
[OJ] Taylor, how you doing,
Taylor?
That's OJ Simpson, she knows
who you are.
[Scaachi]
After he was acquitted,
he got full custody
of his kids.
[Robin] Sydney and Justin
had lost their mother,
and they adored her,
and I couldn't imagine
that they had to live
without her.
It's not like he was
very paternal.
It's not like he was really
taking care of his kids.
He had a lot of help.
Arnelle, his oldest daughter,
she was the main help.
[Robin] Some of us felt
for sure that OJ,
if he hadn't done it,
he was certainly involved,
and were scared of him.
You know, with the kids,
we were just afraid of
what could happen.
[OJ] I used to always give
speeches to the kids and said
my life changed
when I learned to take
full responsibility for myself.
Don't blame the teacher.
Don't blame so and so
and so and so.
And a lot of people
say, "Oh, you blame the LAPD."
But they did what they did.
In any event, I still think
the responsibility goes to
the kid
and goes to the home.
OK.
[Rick] When you run into one of
the most famous people
you've ever met in your life,
there's something in
our a reptile brain sometimes
that just -- you kind of drop
your guard a little bit
and you kind of
are in that moment.
And I saw it in some really
surprisingly visceral ways.
[Todd] That's the crazy thing
about OJ.
It's like his fame was so
powerful that it would block out
the fact that he was
an accused double murderer.
Like people just didn't
see that.
For as much as this guy is
hated in public, look what
happens when people are in
the room with him.
That's not just
an indictment of OJ Simpson.
That's an indictment of us.
People knew the warts,
and they knew the dark secrets,
and they were like, "I still
want my picture
taken with him anyway."
-All right, be good.
-Bye-bye.
Come on, help me out, guys.
I done hit rock bottom.
I don't have
all the money I need.
I don't send money to --
like used to, to charities
and to all my family members
and stuff.
And unfortunately for me,
never expecting the monsoon
that came into my life,
you know, made me realize that
I needed to do things during
the course of my career that
would assure that no matter
what happens in my life, that I
still would be in a position
to, you know, to raise my kids
in a decent fashion.
After the trial,
he always came out trying to
figure out, how can I get
some more money?
He had used up most of
his money and had borrowed some
money in order to pay that
dream team.
That cost millions
and millions of dollars.
So what does OJ
do now?
Celebrity brokers say his image
is too tarnished to win back
his corporate sponsors
like Hertz.
[Walter]
When OJ was found guilty
in the civil case, he called
up several of his friends
to come to his house
and take things
and hide them.
I took several of the suits to
my house, you know,
so he would not have to
give them to the Goldmans.
[OJ] Yeah.
[Todd] Exactly.
[Jemele] OJ was very creative in
hiding his money.
When he's doing all these
appearances and autograph
signings, he was doing it
and receiving cash payments.
I will never pay any dime to
that verdict.
If that means I don't work,
I don't work.
I didn't commit this crime.
I don't believe I owe anything.
I am, as you know, appealing.
He saw that paying
the Goldmans any money was
basically an admission
of guilt.
The Goldmans and the Browns,
they wanted to make sure
he couldn't make anything off
the fact that he,
in their mind,
had killed their loved ones.
[reporter]
The executive producer
Rick Mahr told our Jim Moret
Simpson wasn't paid
for the project.
[Jim] He's not being paid
for this at all?
-No.
-[Jim] So he did this for free?
He did this because
he wanted to do this.
Uh
Let's --
I have to think about this
right away, also with the NDA.
Actually, I don't --
I don't --
that wasn't my end of the deal.
That financial side, let's just
say, the better it did,
probably the happier
he's gonna be.
[Walter]
He was real excited about it.
He told me he had figured out
how to get paid without
the money going
to the Goldmans.
We had a star that nobody
wanted to work with.
We got kicked out of a lot of
locations, denied locations.
-[Todd] Sure.
-[clerk] All right.
Everyone had
the same reaction.
They love the idea of
the prank reality show
but not with OJ Simpson.
I certainly should have seen
that as a sign that we were
probably doing something that
people didn't agree with.
DVD extras, guys freaking out.
"Juiced."
I mean, do I need to say more?
I mean, I guess it just kind of
speaks for itself, really.
It makes you want to skip.
Harmon was a bit of
the sidekick,
kind of a safety net
for OJ
to have someone that can play
off whatever's going on.
[Harmon]
I saw this ad on Craigslist
for actor wanted for
celebrity reality TV show.
[indistinct]
It's me and light-hearted,
joking, new OJ --
he's pulling pranks now.
He's funny.
[indistinct speaking]
OJ is a bit of a mind-[bleep].
He's a charming,
charismatic guy.
That's part of who he is.
That can be disarming,
and that can alter
your perception of
the situation.
[Tyson] I drove OJ around for
the whole production.
We'd just chat, like,
personal stuff.
We never talked about
the obvious, of course,
but that was he and I's
bonding moment.
It was like we weren't just
working together.
We were becoming friends.
That was the time when I was
like, there was no way
he could be a murderer.
[Harmon] It's the mindset of
a sociopath that
you are gonna have
this surface-level,
"Look how friendly I am.
How could I possibly have
killed two people?"
During the course of
the shoot,
OJ got more comfortable.
And he let his guard down.
I'm doing everything to try to
get you to look.
I thought, what would happen
if I pushed him
a little bit further?
That's when we all started to
get those moments that
we truly wanted.
Hey, OJ, off the record,
where do you go for
a terrific price?
Hertz.
[Scaachi]
For almost two decades,
OJ Simpson was the face
of Hertz.
The superstar in rent-a-car!
[Scaachi] But an incident on
New Year's Day in 1989
threatened to derail
the contract.
A woman came running out of
the bushes to my left.
She collapsed
and started yelling,
"He's gonna kill me,
he's gonna kill me!"
I said, "Well, who is gonna
kill you?"
She said, "OJ."
She said, "You've
been out here eight times,
you never do anything
about it."
[Robin] OJ was very jealous
and suspicious of Nicole.
He would get really angry with
her and accuse her of,
you know, flirting or whatever.
But really, it was him
cheating on Nicole
and deflecting from himself.
[Scaachi]
He pleaded no contest to
spousal abuse,
and he got off with
two years probation
and 120 hours of
community service.
But his Hertz deal was
in jeopardy.
Why would you want to renew
a contract with somebody
who's being accused of
beating his wife?
And so to make sure that he did
get that renewal,
he had Nicole
call the head of Hertz.
That's how manipulative
and controlling
he could be
when he wanted to be.
Hertz stuck behind him.
They said it was a private
matter between
a husband and a wife.
[announcer] Real reality
television on "Cheaters."
We had another sketch and
location that fell out,
so we had to come up with
something on the fly.
And I remember late at night,
the TV was on,
and "Cheaters" was on.
[knocking]
The [bleep] is this?
-[indistinct shouting]
-Mary, what's been going
on here?
These shows, they'll bring in
someone who feels that
their spouse, either way,
are cheating,
and they'll follow them and try
to catch them there.
And that's when I came up with
doing a parody of "Cheaters"
and calling it "Scandalous."
[Jemele]
If you think about what was
pop culture at the time,
the more degradation,
the more dehumanizing, I mean,
it was clear that this is what
the audience wanted.
You're 14 years old.
What do you mean,
you're pregnant?
[Scaachi]
There's infidelity, anger.
There's a lot of fear in it.
That's already kind of
scary to me,
but then you add on top of it,
OJ Simpson,
what's the joke?
[Todd] So, let's go into,
uh, "Scandalous."
-And "Scandalous," you know
everything about it.
-Yeah.
[Todd] So, uh, I don't --
can we say "Cheaters"?
No, I ain't gonna
say "Cheaters."
-Let's -- let's avoid it --
-[indistinct]
OJ cheated on everybody.
And he was a womanizer.
He didn't care about how
anybody felt about it.
[Luc] The motel cheater sequence
called "Scandalous"
had many parallels to
the situation
with Nicole and Ron Goldman.
It was definitely about
marital troubles.
It was also about confronting
someone at their front door.
As of June 12, 1994,
Nicole was living at
875 South Bundy in Brentwood.
[reporter #1] Clark then
recalled Nicole Brown Simpson's
last meal with her family at
Mezzaluna Restaurant
[reporter #2]
With her children,
with friends, but without OJ.
[Darden]
Did you invite the defendant
to go to the Mezzaluna with
you and the rest of the family?
-No, I did not.
That rejection of not inviting
him to dinner probably
infuriated him and sent him
over the cliff.
[sobbing]
The last thing I told her was
that I loved her.
[reporter #1]
She recalled how Nicole's
mother lost her glasses
and how Ron Goldman volunteered
to take them to Nicole.
Ron comes to the house to
bring the glasses,
and prosecution alleges
that's where OJ
stabs Nicole to death.
He nearly decapitates her,
and he also stabs Ron several
times, killing him, too.
[reporter]
The fatal wound, said the chief
Los Angeles coroner,
a deep slash
across her throat.
He practically took
off her head.
In fact, at the wake, it was
an open casket, and they had to
put a high-collared blouse on
her so you couldn't see that it
was this huge gash.
[Todd] There was a lot
of correlations,
obviously,
between the trial that was
OJ Simpson and this sketch.
[Scaachi]
It seems designed exactly like
what happened in
the Brentwood home when
Nicole was murdered.
The premise of it was actually
that "Cheaters" was in
the zeitgeist like a "Punk'd."
But sometimes, you know,
what's the saying?
Art imitates life.
[Scaachi]
This is a show that understood
exactly what they had --
a guy who had been
accused of
an incredibly grisly
double homicide.
So, of course, they're going to
put him in scenarios
that pull back, for the viewer,
the memory of something
really terrifying and awful.
[OJ] Here's a man who's followed
his wife to a motel room,
and guess who he finds her
possibly making whoopie with?
I know that you suspected your
wife, Jenni, possibly having
some premarital affairs
and your worst fears.
[Rick] It may be wild
to process for some,
just given OJ's rep.
But we had to kind of stack
the deck a little bit.
We didn't feel comfortable in
a situation where it could be
dangerous for anybody.
So, I hired actors to play
the couple in the prank.
One was Jenni Pulos and
her husband, Chris Elwood.
Jenni ended up on Bravo for
10 years, being a cast member
on "Flipping Out."
Chris did a season of "Punk'd,"
which is crazy.
But OJ
didn't know that.
He thought it was all real.
And I was a little nervous at
one point.
I made sure that they patted
the guy down
before he found out what
was going on with his wife.
Like, if it was a real deal,
imagine if this guy had a gun,
or worse, a knife.
Production would have never
survived that.
Camera ready?
Why -- why not?
What's wrong, OJ?
I was directing OJ
to open the door
because there had to be
a perfect timing
of when OJ is revealed,
for the show.
[indistinct] gonna
play it to ya.
I was talking to OJ,
and I was really excited.
And trying to get things
excited, and I said,
"Kill him, OJ".
Turned around and looked
at the producer,
who was standing right behind
me with my eyes closed,
just saying, "I can't believe
I just said that to OJ."
[crew]
Should I call the what?
This is Joey
from "Scandalous."
We have a minute of
your time, sir?
[OJ speaking]
Fake or not fake, this gag is
probably gonna be
the most talked about.
Sir, can we get in
here, please?
There's someone in here that
we'd like to speak with, sir.
This is her husband
right here.
Do you know that she's married?
[woman screams]
We were actually juicing OJ
on this.
Do what you got to do.
[Luc] We wanted to see
the sparks fly.
It's just that we had
to make it up.
-[OJ] I'm sorry.
-All right, come in here, guys.
[Chris]
What the [bleep] are you doing?
[Chris] Come in here.
Frankly, we got the best
performance out of him when
he thought it was a real deal.
-Open the [bleep] door.
-[Jenni] Stop it!
[OJ] Open the door.
[OJ laughing]
[Todd] We pulled it off,
and it was great.
OJ was excited about it.
Get my man a beer.
Give him a beer.
I got to admit,
I did enjoy that.
It was cruel, though.
It was cruel, I got to admit,
but I sort of enjoyed it.
We never told him
after the fact.
We let sleeping dogs lie.
"Reality TV."
It's not real.
Because Chris was able to have
a big, big reaction,
which really OJ
hadn't had at that point.
And OJ's eyes was like,
"Oh, my God, this is success.
This is the best thing ever."
It was a good night for us
that night.
[producer speaking]
This -- this -- this
was different.
Listen, romantic trysts get
interrupted all the time.
[producer speaking]
If he did,
he didn't really care
because he was all about it.
That was about as good as it
gets, man.
The violence is a part of
the allure with OJ Simpson.
[Jenni]
Hey babe, you good?
[Scaachi]
That's the point of the show,
that you're nervous.
Why?
Because it's OJ Simpson,
and you know how
you know OJ Simpson.
-Jeeze.
-Holy shit.
He was very clear on the OJ
that he wanted to be
perceived as.
This was the first time that
we were gonna
make him unrecognizable.
He wanted to be
OJ Simpson again,
and he never accepted
that he would never be
that version of OJ Simpson.
[indistinct chatter]
I had this idea
that I wanted to dress
OJ up as an old man.
It's an opportunity for him to
be in the room and not be OJ
in the room, and see how people
reacted to that.
[producer] Do you want to
explain what you're doing here?
You're the egghead?
I played a character named
Carl, who was an 81-year-old
guy whose dream was to call
numbers at a bingo game.
[makeup artist]
Some foam latex nose.
Carl was born over
three hours.
[Harmon] The TV's on,
and the TV channel
of OJ's choice was Court TV.
[TV] prosecution team,
[OJ] And all she did was try
to lie, really, to help
the other people.
Mm-hmm.
[Tyson]
Of all things that OJ Simpson
could be watching in
that hotel room, it's got to be
the network that
he essentially created.
I could make a TV show
just with OJ
watching Court TV
and being a commentator.
OJ, probably like a lot of
celebrities, don't understand
the difference between being
famous and being infamous.
And while he played to
the infamy, I don't think
he always got that
he was infamous.
[OJ] I do watch Court TV
quite a bit.
I'm interested in the Kobe
and the Michael cases,
obviously, you know, I see
what's going on there.
And once again, I think they've
already been victims
by the media, because for the
most part, the media has already
convicted them in many ways.
And no matter how it comes out,
they're stained for the rest
of their lives.
-[fan] Michael!
Michael Jackson surrendered
today to authorities in
California where he faces
charges of child molestation.
I love Michael.
I really do.
He was there for my family
when my trial ended.
He opened up Neverland Ranch.
My kids probably gave three
or four of their parties
with all their friends.
You know, I think the man,
this guy has a great heart.
He loves people.
I think he's kind of
misunderstood because of that.
Kobe and Michael's misfortune
had become my good fortune
because it kept me out of
the tabloids
for some period of time anyway.
Kobe Bryant is innocent of
the charges that were filed
against him today.
He stands falsely accused.
[Jemele] Kobe Bryant was
one of the greatest
basketball players
of all time.
He was accused of
raping a woman,
and the trial dominated
news and changes
how people think about
him forever.
I'm not surprised that OJ
looked at what was happening
with Kobe
and saw the similarities.
He had once been very well
liked, and he would never be
that version of
OJ Simpson again.
[OJ] You know, Kobe,
I feel bad for that case.
I know I've been in those
situations, and I'm from
a generation
where every girl said no.
I could never convict a guy
just based on that.
And if every girl who said no
to a guy
didn't have sex with that guy,
half the people watching this
wouldn't be born.
[laughs]
Because then you have
to say no,
or the guy thought
you were slut.
So times are a little
different now.
I have two daughters,
so I want no to mean no,
you know, at this point.
But I think,
realistically, we all know that
that is not always the case.
[laughs]
You know?
Once the Carl face was done,
OJ was a different person.
He was getting into character
and making jokes.
[Todd] You think OJ's
a good looking guy?
-[Todd] So, do you think
-[laughing]
[Todd]
He was finally letting loose,
and I was like,
"Well, this is gold."
[OJ speaking]
Well, I don't know if that
term is a little loaded.
I wouldn't say he was
in whiteface.
I wouldn't even
call it whiteface,
just to make him look like
an old white dude.
[producer speaking]
No.
Blackface is blackface.
You can't get away
with blackface.
Going the other way around,
I don't think, is really looked
at the same way
that blackface is.
Change name "die-betes"
["diabetes"]
to "live-betes."
You know, a lot of people
don't remember Jimmy Kimmel was
on "The Man Show,"
and he was in blackface.
You had the Wayans brothers
being in whiteface.
I think there's many examples
where the culture was
a little different.
It was change his identity.
Let's invert it completely.
[Jemele]
You know, him cosplaying as
a white man,
some would argue he was doing
that when he was beloved.
You know, OJ supposedly said,
"I'm not Black, I'm OJ"
He thought he was beyond race.
I don't think anybody wants to
feel like they have to
represent all of their race.
But I think there were
Black fans of OJ
who were really frustrated that
he didn't want to fully take
ownership over being Black, that
he sort of wanted to hide from it.
[Jemele] Prior to the trial,
most Black people
considered OJ a sellout.
He never had a problem
distancing himself from
the Black community.
[Rick]
Carl's got some moves.
Yep.
[OJ] We went out to
San Fernando Valley
at an Elks Club.
-[announcer] B3
-Here's Carl.
[Rick]
My role was to take care of
OJ, make sure the star of
the show is getting
what he needs.
Maybe not the easiest person
to take care of.
I19, O63, I26.
All my whole life I've been
recognized almost immediately.
So it was hard for me to accept
that I wasn't recognized.
And it took me a little while
to warm up to the character,
to have people look at me
and not know it was me.
[stuttering]
[OJ stuttering]
[Harmon]
Nothing was happening
and people are going,
"What's up with
that guy's face?"
-Yeah.
-Carl, you're a phony.
Don't quit your day job, Carl.
[Harmon] No one's reacting,
and I'm heckling, and I was
trying to instigate people to
heckle as well.
Carl, do you need help?
Harmon just went a little too
over the top where
it didn't feel real.
-[Harmon] Carl, let me read it.
-No.
-It says, you've been Juiced.
You've been Juiced.
What the heck is that?
I didn't tell him to do that.
He just went rogue.
[OJ stuttering]
[Martin] There was no reaction
really at all.
We should have said,
"And presenting OJ as Carl."
Carl was kind of the turning
point in the show.
We were seeing him in a light
that no one's ever seen him.
Like, what's gonna
happen here?
We're doing a TV show
called "Juiced."
So thank you for joining us,
and I hope you enjoy
your bingo game.
Take care.
Let me run off the court.
Let me run.
[Todd]
You know, OJ was having
a great time being Carl.
He was this new guy,
this friendly, warm personality
that we hadn't seen.
There was a preacher out in
front of the hotel.
OJ walks out there, and he's
hobbling along as Carl Simpson.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
[Tyson]
The preacher guy said,
"So you got to go
undercover nowadays?"
That was poignant
to me.
The guy was recognizing
that OJ
was more comfortable in
disguise than in his own skin.
All right, man, God bless.
OK, you too, you know
what I'm saying?
All right.
All right, thanks.
[OJ speaking]
Most people, if they've ever
done prosthetics or makeup,
you're eager to get out of it.
OJ was not eager to get
out of it at all.
He and Tyson went to one of
his favorite bar hangouts.
He loves being in makeup.
He loves the mask he gets to
put on.
I got to admit, of everything
that we did here, playing Carl,
I had the most fun with it.
[Todd]
It was the first time that
he didn't have to wear
the OJ shell, which comes with
all the negativity.
[overlapping voices]
[Todd]
For at least one night,
he could be somebody else.
I really enjoyed it.
We got a pizza delivery.
Let's talk about pizza
a little bit.
Pizza!
I like making pizza!
That's a good slice of pizza!
Coming off
of the bingo night,
OJ was on top of the world.
I'm doing fine,
and how are you?
I think that's when he started
drinking more.
-I stopped drinking.
-[man] Oh, good for you.
I know -- stopped drinking
at 7:15 this morning.
He was one of those people
that once he got to partying,
you know, it was kind of hard
to get him to stop.
During the course of the shoot,
he wouldn't just
show up hungover.
He would show up with drink
in hand.
[crew] Yeah, that's good.
[Tyson] He was drinking.
He disappeared one night,
we didn't hear back from him
until sometime the next
late morning, early afternoon.
Once he fell from grace,
he fell real hard, real fast.
He did whatever made him
feel good.
Give my man a beer!
Give him a beer!
I've never been a fan of
alcohol on set.
It just causes problems.
[Jemele] It's part of
the formula of reality TV.
It's like giving people alcohol
and seeing what happens.
It was tough to say no to your
talent when they're drinking
and they want drinks
for everybody.
Even though this was something
that OJ
drove himself, like,
"Yeah, he wanted the alcohol."
And sure, you could easily say,
like, "OK, they're just trying
to cater to their star."
But their entire goal in this
is to get something out
of this.
Drink as much as you want, OJ
[indistinct chatter]
-[indistinct]
-Oh.
What I noticed is,
when he started drinking more,
he started jabbering more.
Hey, man.
He started really talking about
things that I thought maybe
he shouldn't be talking about.
Back in the day when there was
a debate, somebody said
I was a pariah.
The media was pushing that
to the public.
The craziest thing,
he started talking
about the case.
Trained detectives went in
and saw nothing,
looking for blood.
-He was getting loose-lipped.
All these law enforcement guys
knew that the verdict
would be not guilty.
Initially, we didn't want
anything
that had to do
with the murders.
Like, I wanted to stay
far away from that.
We just thought we were making
a fun prank show, and we didn't
think anybody would start
talking about murder.
What are you talking about?
The facts are always totally
screwed up.
But when OJ started talking
about trial stuff,
I was, you know,
happy to film.
You know,
and you hear this word,
bloody Bronco,
bloody Bronco.
It sort of
released the floodgates.
I will never argue
your opinion.
Don't start talking
about facts.
He seemed to open up.
And all the theories were
screwed up the night before.
He started to go where we all
knew why we're all here.
OK, yeah, no, this is
[bleep] up.
Tell me he just said
what I think he said.
[OJ speaking]
See all the cameras.
I wanted to actually get OJ
to confess to the murders.
I could do a tell-all book
that you wouldn't even believe.
Didn't you want to hear what
he admitted to me
in that hotel room that night?