Somebody Knows Something (2026) s01e06 Episode Script

[children singing, faint]
[man] Good evening. This is an important
message from Portland Public Schools.
Skyline second-grader Kyron Horman
did not arrive home from school today.
It's nighttime, and anybody would be
scared outside if that's where he's at.
We just want to get him found.
In Oregon, a National Guard helicopter
and search teams on horses have
joined more than 100 volunteers looking
for missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman.
[reporter] He was never found despite
the largest search in state history.
[Chamberlain] Since 2010,
people online have been obsessed
with seven-year-old Kyron Horman's
mysterious disappearance.
A seven-year-old boy walks into school
and was never seen again.
How does that happen?
Kyron Horman's disappearance has haunted
the state of Oregon for the past 16 years.
It's almost as if this little boy
disappeared into thin air.
[Chamberlain] Did he wander off?
He was always just wanting
to have an adventure.
There's water, there's ponds,
there's miles of open country.
[Chamberlain] Or did someone take him?
The FBI is searching sex offenders
in the area.
Because we were parents, statistically,
one of us had committed the crime.
In the first days,
I suspected that she was lying to me.
[Chamberlain] It's been many years
since you've spoken publicly.
It was extremely traumatic.
Did you have anything to do
with his disappearance?
No, none.
Do you know that Kyron was mentioned
in the Epstein files?
[sobbing] I didn't protect him.
And I wish I would have kept him here.
[Chamberlain] Every year,
more than 600,000 people
go missing in the United States.
[reporter 2] The story of Jaycee Dugard
shocked the nation.
Amy Bradley simply disappeared
without a trace.
[reporter 3] Asha Degree went to bed
one night and was gone in the morning.
I'm Kara Robinson Chamberlain,
and in 2002, I was one of those victims.
[reporter 4] At just 15 years old,
Kara was abducted by a serial killer.
[reporter 5] …assaulted
and tortured for 18 hours,
but somehow, she managed to escape.
[Chamberlain] I went on to a career
in law enforcement.
[sheriff] Then she wanted to be
a victim advocate
and show them
how they can be a survivor like her.
[Chamberlain] Now I'm investigating the
cases true crime fans are obsessed with,
because there are people
who don't know what happened
to their loved ones.
Somebody knows something.
Somebody saw something.
And if I can bring one person
some answers,
then it's worth everything.
[Chamberlain] This case is one
of the most famous in Oregon history.
It's been covered
by a lot of online creators,
and it's a truly heartbreaking one.
Kyron was last seen alive
at his elementary school.
They described the Skyline School
as ground zero.
[Chamberlain] On June 4th, 2010,
a sweet, introverted seven-year-old boy
named Kyron went to school
for his second grade science fair
and just disappeared.
I have children, and I honestly
can't imagine anything worse
than getting a call from a place
where I thought they would be safe,
telling me
that they were nowhere to be found.
Stephanie Harlowe covered this case
in her podcast,
so I'd like to see
if she can give me any insight.
Hey, Stephanie.
Hi, Kara. How are you?
Today, I want to talk to you
about Kyron Horman.
Yeah, I covered it extensively, uh,
because when you look at the details,
you really see a case
where there's multiple paths you can take.
A little boy is with his stepmother,
somebody he knows, in school, right?
In a place where he knows a lot of people,
where he's known by a lot of people.
I guess as a parent,
you think you drop your kid off at school
and that should be a place that's safe.
So for him to disappear
and no one to see anything,
it really is strange.
Tell me a little bit more
about the morning that Kyron went missing.
[Harlowe] So Kyron's parents,
they were separated very early,
before he was even born, I believe.
So Kyron primarily lived
with his father Kaine
and his stepmother Terri,
and the morning he disappeared,
Kyron went to school
with his stepmother Terri.
He had a science fair at school that day.
The school was actually opening early,
so the students and their families
could tour the science fair.
They arrived
shortly after the school opened,
and he was seen
by other students and his teacher.
And his stepmother Terri
took a picture of Kyron
in front of
his red-eyed tree frog project.
So, after that, this is when things
kind of become sketchy.
[Chamberlain] So from what I've read
about this case,
Terri remembered seeing him
turn down the hallway
into his classroom before she left.
[Harlowe] Right.
But when the teacher took attendance,
Kyron wasn't present.
And the scary thing,
especially for anyone who's a parent,
is that Terri and his father Kaine said
they didn't realize Kyron was missing
until he didn't get off the bus
that afternoon at 3:15.
Usually the parents, they will get a call
or an email sent to them,
and there's multiple ways
that you're being notified
that your child wasn't in school that day.
But during this time,
there wasn't any system in place
at Skyline Elementary
for that kind of process.
So there is
this really heartbreaking delay.
Kyron's missing from 8:45, 9:00 a.m.
And no one's looking for him
until almost 4:00 p.m.
-That's too long.
-Way too long.
[Chamberlain] First thing that I'm
thinking is, "Are there cameras?"
There were no cameras
and no surveillance footage
that captured Kyron leaving
or if he ever went into his classroom.
[Chamberlain] Okay.
So you have a child that goes missing.
You really only have so many options.
You have they're lost.
You have a stranger took them,
or it is someone that knows the child.
[Harlowe] Exactly. To me, this isn't
a child who just wandered into the woods,
especially now, this many years later.
Something would have shown up,
a piece of his clothing, a bone.
I believe somebody made him vanish
without a trace,
and so there needs to be
someone held accountable.
Yeah.
[Chamberlain]
If Kyron was taken, realistically,
the most likely people to do that
are the adults surrounding him.
To understand a little more about Kyron,
my first stop is with Desiree,
Kyron's mom,
and Tony, his stepfather.
At the time of Kyron's disappearance,
they were four hours away
in Medford, Oregon.
But over the last 16 years,
they've been extremely active
and outspoken
in pushing for answers about their son.
[door creaks]
-[Desiree] Hi, Kara. Nice to meet you.
-[Chamberlain] Nice to meet you.
[Desiree] Come on in.
So tell me a little bit about Kyron.
Well, Kyron is my youngest.
-He was very shy and reserved.
-[Chamberlain] Mm-hmm.
[Desiree] If he knows you
and he trusts you,
he'll be his funny self around you.
Every day, he'd just walk up to me.
I'd be doing the dishes, and he'd hug me
around the waist and tell me he loved me.
-Very, very cute and spontaneous.
-[chuckles] Yeah.
I think of him dancing and being goofy.
We would always be hanging out,
having family barbecues
and camping together.
Quinn is my oldest,
and he was eight years older than Kyron.
[Tony] They just got to run and do
everything a kid should do.
[Chamberlain]
Kind of like a boy's dream, right?
[Desiree] Yes. Absolutely.
At a young age,
we found out Kyron can't see more than
two or three feet in front of him.
And wearing glasses
can sometimes be hard for kids,
but, you know,
Kyron never let that bug him.
What was he like in school?
He was very bright. He was a sponge.
He would just spout off all this stuff,
and I'm looking at him going,
"Where did you get that?"
He was listening to a conversation,
you know, with some adults that…
And he took it all in.
And he really loved science and math.
[Chamberlain] So he was up with Kaine
and Terri then, when this happened.
Tell me about the relationship
with you and your husband.
[Desiree] Kaine and I were married
when Kyron's brother Quinn
was about four years old,
and I thought we were really good
as a couple at first.
But, um, a few months later,
I found out that Kaine had plans
to divorce me.
And after Kaine had left the house,
another woman, Terri Ecker,
moved in with him.
This was while I was pregnant with Kyron.
-Wow.
-Yeah.
I was feeling very defeated.
I tried to be a good role model
for my boys and take the high road.
Initially, I had custody,
and it wasn't until Kyron was two
that Kaine finally had him
for an overnight.
And I got a kidney infection
and I was in the hospital.
So I signed over temporary custody
for a couple of months.
Unfortunately,
because of my significant medical bills
and the fact that I did not earn
as much money as Kaine,
I did not get custody back.
That is a lot to deal with
and a lot of baggage to carry
-into a co-parenting situation.
-Yeah.
But we kind of got into the routine,
and it was-- it was working.
[Desiree] Yeah.
Kaine had primary, but they would
come down and visit on weekends
and long summers and, you know,
rotated holidays and all of that.
But we were very interactive.
I talked to Kyron all the time,
and I had talked to Kyron
the night before he went missing.
Kyron was very excited
about what was going on
at the science fair.
On that morning, I knew that Kaine
and Terri were gonna take Kyron.
And so I was shocked
when the school secretary
from Skyline Elementary
called me that afternoon and she said,
"You are listed as the emergency
notification for Kyron Horman."
And I said, "Well, yes, he's my son.
What happened?"
And she said,
"I have to notify you he's missing."
And I said, "What?
No, he's-- No, he's not."
Terri sent me the picture
in front of his diorama in the classroom.
She was there with him.
And I remember thinking,
"What the hell is going on?"
I just…
[crying] I knew something was wrong.
I didn't push hard enough.
And I didn't protect him.
And I wish I would have kept him here.
Now to the mysterious disappearance
of a seven-year-old Oregon boy…
…who somehow disappeared
from his elementary school.
[officer] The initial information came
to the Multnomah County sheriff's office
on June 4th of 2010,
when a school employee noticed
that Kyron was missing from school.
The search for Kyron is
the largest search endeavor
in the state history.
[reporter 6] Search teams
have flooded the fields
and thick forestlands by the hundreds.
[former reporter] Even though
it's got a Portland address,
Skyline Elementary is
a little bit outside of the city,
so it's kind of a rural area.
I look out at this forest
and I just think,
"How are we ever going
to find him in this?"
At the time,
there was no evidence of any foul play.
Unfortunately,
there was really no evidence of anything.
The last person to see Kyron
is his stepmother, Terri.
Terri says that they went
into Kyron's classroom,
hang up his backpack and his coat.
And she takes a picture of Kyron
next to his science fair presentation
on red-eyed tree frogs.
Terri says they then go downstairs,
look at some of the other experiments,
and she says the last time
that she sees Kyron
is standing in the hallway
as he's walking to his classroom.
However, his teacher says
that Kyron never showed up for class.
So police knew
that Kyron was at school that day,
they knew the window when he went missing,
but what they didn't know
was how he got off campus.
[reporter 7] The FBI is searching
sex offenders in the area. There are 143.
[Sandell] In the first few days
after Kyron went missing,
there were regular updates from police.
And then on June 7th,
the sheriff's department gave an update.
I would like to say that, uh, Kyron…
we-- we're gonna--
we're gonna bring you home, buddy.
[Sandell] And watching him get choked up,
you got a real sense
of the impact this was having,
not only on the community, of course,
the families, but also the investigators.
Kyron's disappearance
has been emotionally draining
for this community.
I think, what would I do
if my son were missing?
I think about it all the time.
It played to a parent's
absolute worst fear.
[Chamberlain]
If this was a premeditated crime,
the day of the science fair
was kind of the perfect opportunity
because you have a lot of people
that aren't in the school normally
that are there.
You have parents, grandparents.
We know that Kyron's stepmother, Terri,
brought him to school that day.
But what happened after that?
What leads or tips came in
during the early investigation?
Throughout this case,
there have been many tips.
Because of that, we've worked with
and continue to work with
our law enforcement partners,
including the FBI,
to investigate all credible tips
no matter where they take us.
[Chamberlain] Were any of these tips
notable to you guys?
[officer] We still can't talk about
the credibility of anything, so…
[Chamberlain] Okay.
What was Terri's story?
[officer] That's one of the questions
we're not going to be able to answer.
[Chamberlain] Yeah. Okay.
The police wouldn't answer
most of my questions.
A lot of the time,
police can't speak freely
in an open investigation, which I get,
but I do wish they were more transparent.
To understand more
about what happened that day,
I'm going to have to speak
with the witnesses myself.
Kyron's stepmother Terri
and father Kaine are no longer together,
but Kaine has agreed to talk
about the day Kyron went missing.
Do you remember
the last time you saw Kyron?
Uh, morning of. June 4th, yeah.
They had brought home
their projects the day before.
I was talking to him in the morning
about having a good time
and enjoying the day
'cause I know he's a little bit nervous
because of the expo,
I think, is what they call it.
Who normally took Kyron to school?
He usually rode the bus.
The day of was a drive to school
because of the project
going in the back of the truck.
And so, that day,
Terri drove Kyron off to school.
And then
what about picking up from school?
-How did he normally get home?
-Same thing.
Take the bus home,
and we'd meet him down at the bus stop
and walk back up to the house from there.
That day, I'd come home from work,
I want to say, like, maybe 3:30.
Uh, Terri and I, we walked down
to where the bus stops and the door opens,
and the driver
is kind of looking at us funny.
And she's like,
"Well, he's not on the bus today."
And I'm like,
"Oh, well, he was supposed to be.
Um… Maybe he got on the wrong bus."
Had he ever gotten on the wrong bus?
-No.
-Okay.
[Kaine] So that was kind of
a little weird.
So Terri called up to the school
just to check.
They said that he wasn't there today.
Then I was kind of like, "What? He was…
I mean, I know he was there.
I saw pictures of him there."
Terri showed me some pictures,
so that started
to raise an alarm a little bit.
-Mm-hmm. What's going through your mind?
-I don't remember much.
It almost felt like a time warp.
[Chamberlain] Who called law enforcement?
-I don't remember. It wasn't me.
-Mm-hmm.
I was outside trying to call people
and kind of just walking in circles.
-Yeah. Sure.
-The panic, just through the roof.
-What kind of things were they asking you?
-Everything.
Everything about our lives,
everything about family.
Pretty much trying to get to the bottom
of every nook and cranny of our lives.
We weren't given a lot of information.
We were asked to provide it.
It was all about, uh, them pushing us.
Because we were parents, statistically,
one of us had committed the crime.
And they weren't there to be friendly.
They were there to get answers,
and we had to give 'em to them.
We needed to do
whatever we had to do to get him home.
They asked us to take polygraphs.
We all did.
I wasn't guilty of anything,
so it was easy to go do it.
They were asking us independently
what our steps were that day.
I figured that everyone else
who had to take one would pass.
Terri failed that polygraph.
I understand that under duress,
polygraphs may not go well.
Maybe it's just because you're nervous,
but the question that she failed was
in relation to her having knowledge of him
leaving school grounds that day.
It was definitely eyebrow-raising.
[Chamberlain]
Terri failed her first polygraph,
but polygraphs can be unreliable.
They're highly dependent
on the skills of the operator.
And there's no footage of Kyron that day.
So what I really need
are some eyewitness accounts.
Let me try to get in touch
with Kyron's mom Desiree.
Desiree says I should reach out
to Carson Lopez.
It looks like Carson has
mostly remained quiet about his experience
as it was extremely traumatic for him,
but he wants to talk to me today.
Obviously,
we're going to talk about Kyron today.
It's been many years since you've
spoken publicly about this, right?
Yeah, when it happened,
it was extremely traumatic,
but, um, I really want
to, like, yeah, keep his name alive
and, you know, if we can find the truth,
that'd be awesome.
[Chamberlain] Tell me who Kyron was.
[Lopez chuckles]
He was a little interesting guy.
We were both little, kind of,
I guess I'll say weirdos
in the class and stuff.
And he was always just wanting
to have an adventure,
always wanting to just do something.
We made the best
of what we could around us.
[Chamberlain] Let's talk about
the last time that you saw Kyron.
The day of his disappearance,
I could remember it
as if it was yesterday.
It's always been a thing
that's been embedded in my head.
It was the school science fair.
There was a lot going on.
Kids, parents everywhere.
Then there was also the talent show,
and me and him
were supposed to do something.
It was one of, like,
the simplest, easy jokes.
It was the, "Knock, knock! Who's there?"
"Orange." And then, like,
he kept asking them, the banana.
And we practiced many, many times.
When I saw him,
I remember there was something
that I wanted to show him
in my bag in the classroom.
But when we got over to our bags,
um, the stepmom comes over.
And she's all like, "Hey, Kyron,
you have a doctor's appointment,
so we gotta go, like, right now."
And we're all like, "Oh, okay."
He's like,
"My dad never told me any of that."
And she said, "Yeah, it was,
like, a last-minute kind of thing
and I kind of forgot,
but we have to go, like,
right now, so come on."
And that's pretty much
the last I ever really saw of him.
-You saw him leave with her, though?
-Yes.
-Leave the classroom?
-Yes.
[Chamberlain] Did he seem stressed?
-[Lopez] He seemed, like, just confused.
-[Chamberlain] Right.
-Just, like, surprised by that.
-Oh, yeah.
I remember waiting, thinking
when he's going to come back,
and I was, like, really worried
about the talent show
and trying to figure out how I'm going
to do a knock-knock joke by myself.
I really wanted to do that with Kyron.
When I think about it now,
it breaks my heart
because I just wish
that I could have done something
to prevent it from happening.
[Chamberlain] Did Terri ever tell you
about the doctor's appointment
that Kyron had that day?
[Horman] No mention of it whatsoever.
She talked about taking him to school
and then her and him
looking at some of the other exhibits.
I think she said that he was
walking down the hall towards his class
and that she was then walking
the opposite direction,
and she left from there.
But she failed her polygraph
where it said,
"Did you have something to do
with taking him off school grounds,"
so maybe she took him off campus.
At that point,
had you ever considered that
Terri could have had something to do
with his disappearance?
Not at the time, no.
Why not?
[Horman] We were having some troubles.
It wasn't stable all the time.
But she was one of the last people
I would think that would do anything,
especially with all the…
what we had been through
for the past, you know, six, eight years.
All of us together with her son, Kyron
and our daughter Kiara.
She was 18 months old at the time.
What about
Kyron's relationship with Terri?
What was that like?
I feel like it was good,
but she and I just weren't getting along.
What did that look like in your house?
Uh, I don't know.
Just a little more standoffish, probably.
A little more argumentative between us.
Were you guys fighting a lot?
I wouldn't say a lot.
Her and I were really
starting to struggle,
but Terri being involved, I…
It didn't even cross my mind.
Until she went back for another
polygraph that she also failed.
We were definitely getting the furthest
apart that we'd ever been, fast.
And then the investigators briefed me
on a situation that they'd come across.
It was between, like,
the two and four-week mark.
They were canvassing the landscapers
and one of the guys had mentioned
that there was some kind
of inappropriate stuff
that had gone on between him and Terri
and was basically saying that,
yeah, she was trying to offer him
some collateral and some money,
uh, to do something to me.
-And now, what he--
-You think that she tried
-to hire someone to kill you?
-Yeah.
[Chamberlain] When was that?
[Horman] That was probably February,
I think, of 2010.
[Chamberlain] So five months
before Kyron's disappearance.
What are you feeling when you're sitting
in that briefing room
with law enforcement?
Like, are you effing kidding me?
Right.
Like, this isn't real.
You guys are just messing with me
to see what my response is going to be.
Like, how do you write a script
that's worse than this?
I was already so devastated.
I don't know that you could have told me
much of anything
that would have shocked me.
But it was terrifying.
Stepmother Terri Horman
now faces bombshell allegations
that she tried to hire her landscaper
to kill her husband.
When that news broke,
I think you could sense
an immediate shift in the tone
of all of the news coverage.
[reporter 8] A cloud of suspicion
and dark whispered accusations
that she somehow harmed her own stepson.
[Sandell] And Kyron's father
seemed to agree with the public.
[reporter 9]
Kyron Horman's father Kaine Horman
filed for divorce Monday
from his wife Terri.
[Sandell] In court paperwork,
Kaine said that Terri
may have been responsible
for Kyron's disappearance.
[Horman] When I found out
about the murder for hire,
that's when
the relationship officially ended.
Our daughter and I left together,
and Terri was texting and calling,
trying to find where we were,
uh, but I didn't respond.
I had a restraining order in place.
I was a little concerned
about safety in general.
Uh, I also didn't want anything
to happen to my daughter.
[Desiree] At that point,
Kaine couldn't tell us where he was,
and I was really worried about him.
From the first days,
I suspected that Terri was lying to me.
[reporter 10] For the first time,
his mother is implying
that the boy's stepmother
knows what happened to him.
We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate
with the investigators
to bring Kyron home.
Earlier in the investigation,
Terri was constantly
throwing out theories.
She pitched a janitor
that worked at the school.
She tried to say that there was
a man at the school that was suspicious.
I think she was grasping at straws
and trying to deflect law enforcement
so they would waste resources
looking elsewhere.
A little bit later on,
the law enforcement team,
they reviewed several key emails with us,
a lot of which were, you know,
from Terri herself.
She spoke, uh, very resentfully of Kyron
and how much better it would be
if he was out of the picture.
-Yeah.
-And I mean horrible stuff.
And who is she sending those emails to?
Friends, anybody who would listen.
Mostly friends, yeah.
[Tony] It was venom.
There was no doubt
she hated him from those emails.
Geez.
[Desiree] And so that was suspicious,
and Terri's timeline
the day that Kyron went missing…
You know, she's unaccounted for
about an hour, hour and a half.
[Chamberlain] Desiree's told me that
she was suspicious of Terri's behavior.
And on social media, really,
most of what I see is about Terri.
[commentator]
There is a lot of speculation
about Terri's involvement
in Kyron's disappearance.
It's hard for me to believe
that she doesn't have any idea
of what happened to him.
[Chamberlain] When you think about Kyron
being this sweet, innocent,
shy little boy,
and this possibility of Terri,
who was supposed to be someone
who was safe and loved him,
being involved in his disappearance,
it's hard to imagine.
There's witness evidence
that she was the last to see Kyron,
but you need to have something concrete
that says Terri had motive
and a way to carry this out.
I previously tried to
get in touch with Terri,
but she declined an interview
through her attorney.
She has the right to do that.
It's not an indication
she committed a crime.
But I also just want to look
a little closer at her timeline.
Here's something I found on Nightline
from 2016,
and it actually features the timeline.
[anchor] Terri says she left
Skyline Elementary that day at 8:45.
She says she drove
to a nearby Fred Meyers pharmacy
to look for a specific kind of medicine.
Terri says they didn't have the medicine,
so she drove to another Fred Meyers.
[Chamberlain] So it sounds like she was
driving around a lot that morning.
And if Kyron was with Terri,
he would have been in the car,
but as far as I know, no one has reported
seeing him in the truck with her.
Which is interesting.
[anchor] Then comes a period
of unaccounted time.
There were widespread
but unconfirmed reports
that her cell phone
was pinging from Sauvie Island.
[Chamberlain] Sauvie Island looks like
it's a good 30 minutes
from where she'd been the rest of the day.
I wonder what's in Sauvie Island.
[Sandell] Something that raised curiosity
was there were reports
that Terri's phone had pinged
near Sauvie Island.
That happens to be in the same area
where a person named Dede Spicher
was supposed to be at work.
And Dede was a close friend of Terri's.
[Horman] We met her at the gym
and just got to know her over, you know,
the years that we were going there.
You know, acquaintance at the gym.
And then her and Terri
became closer friends later on,
but I didn't know any of this.
When Kaine moved out of the house and
took his daughter with him, Dede moved in.
[reporter 11] Dede spent 11 days
living with Terri Horman
in the Horman residence
after Kaine the husband moved out.
[Sandell] And that naturally
made authorities curious.
Perhaps Terri has confided in Dede
about the case,
so she becomes on their radar
pretty quickly.
When investigators go to question Dede,
she tells them
that she was at work all day
on the day Kyron went missing.
She worked at a lavender farm
and a plant nursery.
But Dede has a problem
because her coworkers
and her boss say that
she abruptly left at 11:30
and was nowhere to be found
for 90 minutes.
If this is true, there is an overlap where
Terri and Dede's time is unaccounted for.
[reporter 12] Spicher says that
she didn't leave the property
where she was working that day,
but in previous accounts,
sources say she couldn't account
for a full hour and a half of her time
on the day that Kyron vanished.
So investigators naturally want to know
if they were together that morning,
but Dede denied
that she had ever left work that day
and she denied ever seeing Terri.
And she said that she moved in
with Terri for 11 days
because she was concerned
about her friend.
They were both getting death threats
after their pictures appeared
on a poster from the sheriff's department
asking for information
about where they had been
when Kyron disappeared.
At that point, there was a local
TV station that reported that Dede, Terri,
and at least one other friend
were using burner phones to communicate.
[reporter 13] Last week,
the FBI searched Spicher's home.
[Sandell] Having a burner phone
is certainly not illegal by itself,
but it does raise questions
about why Terri and her friends
wanted their communications to be secret.
[reporter 14] Kyron's parents
have begged Terri to talk.
They're also pleading with her close
friend Dede Spicher to cooperate.
I just wanted progress in the case.
Terri had attorneyed up
after the polygraphs.
She stopped cooperating,
and Dede had never talked.
I had seen a case
where they had used a civil case
as an investigative tool
to depose the suspect
and get information on film.
So I proceeded with the civil case.
We were able to depose Dede Spicher.
We just made the decision
because we didn't think
that we were ever going to get
a provable case against her
to immunize her,
and the hope was that
she would produce information
that would result
in a prosecutable case against someone,
but the information we got wasn't helpful.
[Desiree] Dede Spicher
pled the Fifth 142 times.
After that, I had to dismiss the case,
but I believe that she needs to talk
and she needs to tell us more
about her involvement and Terri's.
I don't know that she ever will.
[Chamberlain] In spite of Desiree's
civil case unraveling in 2013,
public suspicion
continued to follow Terri.
So a few years later, in 2016,
she appeared on Nightline
to share her side of the story.
Did you have anything
to do with his disappearance?
No, none.
And I don't…
I don't resent you asking that question,
but it hurts my heart to even be asked.
In every sense of the word, he's my son.
[Chamberlain] She denied having anything
to do with Kyron's disappearance,
and she had an explanation
for the polygraph tests.
Why do you think you failed
lie detector tests?
Well, partially because of my hearing.
I'm deaf in my left ear.
Why would being deaf in one ear
affect a lie detector test?
Because I'm reading your lips
as we're speaking.
Also, I hadn't slept.
I-I hadn't slept in-- in days.
-Did you, at any time, lie to police?
-No.
A lot of people think if you flunk not one
but two lie detector tests,
that there's got to be something going on.
Well, I think that
they already had settled on me
to be their… uh, their patsy.
[Chamberlain] And she denied
ever asking anyone to kill Kaine.
You're saying this whole
murder-for-hire plot was made up?
Yes.
[Chamberlain] And Terri had her own
theories about what happened to Kyron.
[anchor] Terri says she told
her pediatrician and later the police
that she suspected
something was off about Kyron
in the weeks
leading up to his disappearance.
I'd walk into his room and there were
things he was doing to himself that…
that was telling me
that there's something wrong,
that somebody may be touching him
impro… improperly.
So you're implying that maybe
he had been sexually abused?
Possibly.
And that was a concern of mine.
What's your theory on what happened?
That they've taken him from school.
So you think a stranger came in
and abducted him?
Yes. And there's pedophiles
in the area, definitely.
[Chamberlain] Terri has never officially
been named a suspect in this case.
Any confirmed evidence against her
is circumstantial at best.
The biggest thing for me is motive.
I can't see what Terri could
possibly gain from hurting Kyron.
And Dede pleading the Fifth
is not an admission of guilt.
Who knows? Maybe Terri's theory is right,
but there's been nothing released
by police to support the idea
that Kyron encountered a pedophile.
But an article from March of this year
says that Kyron Horman
was named in an FBI tip
found in the Epstein files.
Yeah, the tipster references reports
of an extensive day care adoption ring
in Thornhill, Ontario.
This tip was made in 2019.
These reports have been
in regards to numerous individuals,
and Kyron is named here.
Anyone can make a tip to the FBI,
and not all tips included in the files
have been verified,
but it is something to look into.
[phone ringing]
-[Harlowe] Hi, how are you?
-I'm good.
I have some updates for you
on Kyron Horman.
I've been looking forward to the updates.
Do you know that Kyron
was mentioned in the Epstein files?
[Harlowe] I did, yes. I looked at it.
Obviously,
if a stranger were to take Kyron,
this would have been the perfect day.
But a mention in the Epstein files
doesn't always mean anything.
Truly, any person could have called this
in without any evidence to back it up.
I mean, we know that there are
networks that operate in this country,
but I don't think
there's anything to this.
-Mm-hmm.
-Yeah, I mean, if there's…
There'll be people who argue,
well, maybe Terri was working
with this network
and maybe that was her motive.
But then you'd also see some sort of
funds being moved into her account,
uh, some sort of correspondence
between her and this other person.
And we know that police
have looked into her,
and there's no correspondence
between some child trafficking network
that they found.
There's other kind of odd behavior
that people have noted with Terri,
but I do think it's interesting
that you bring up motive.
I'm still struggling to understand
one that would make sense.
Again, Terri has never been charged
with any crime related to Kyron.
We still have no hard evidence about
where Kyron went from the school,
what happened to him.
-What are we left with here?
-[Harlowe] Right?
Where's the missing piece?
Is there any other relevant information
that you think
might help get this case solved?
Because it's open and active,
there's numerous facets
to the investigation that we can't cover,
but we believe that there's a person
or persons in the community
who know what happened on June 4th, 2010,
and I'm asking that person to come forward
because it has the opportunity
to provide some measure of peace
to a family that's carried
this burden for so long.
[Chamberlain]
What's your hope for Kyron's case?
I hope that he gets to come home.
All the time,
every single day the phone rings,
I hope that it's them
telling me he gets to come home.
Um…
Above that, I want Kyr…
I want him to see justice.
I don't think that it's right that Kyron
is missing out on all the family moments.
It's just… It's not fair. It's rotten.
Even though this much time's passed,
I think people have to realize
this is still June 4th for all of us.
And to think that somebody
put this in motion and did this,
I think that there can't be
enough justice for that.
What is it that anyone
watching right now could do?
Share his story
and get his flyers out there.
[Horman] There's a lot of different things
that I think people could do.
If you think you have anything
that can help, call it into the tip line.
Or email, print the flyers,
spread the flyers, either on social media,
or you can print them and put them up
and let people know about the story.
Keep the conversation going.
Keep the discussion of this case going.
-Let other people know about it.
-[Chamberlain] Right.
[Horman] He still could be out there.
Look at those age-progressed photos.
Yeah, because
they're getting updated regularly.
[Horman] Yeah, just don't give up hope.
We're not done until he gets back home
where he should be.
[Desiree] Kyron always had the fear
of not being able to find his way home
because he can't see more than
a couple of feet in front of him.
Even out in front of the house,
he held certain boundaries
around the lines in the sidewalk.
He wouldn't go past certain areas
because he wouldn't be able to know
how to get back home.
[voice breaking] And I just…
I will hope until the day I die
that Kyron gets to come home.
[sniffles]
[Chamberlain] Because law enforcement
has never officially indicated
who might be persons of interest
or suspects in this case,
I still have a lot of questions.
What evidence do they have?
What do they know?
Who have they talked to?
Who have they ruled out?
Kyron's parents seem to have theories
about what happened to their son.
But circumstantial evidence
can only be something
that is supportive
of more concrete evidence.
We need somebody who knows something
to come forward
with that information
and give us something more solid.
If you've seen Kyron or have
any information about June 4th, 2010,
please contact law enforcement directly.
And visit
the Somebody Knows Something channel
on abcnews.com
for further discussion about Kyron's case.
Brandy walked out the side door,
and that was it.
Her truck was in the pond
and there was
a large amount of human blood.
Her husband, Jeff, was running
this marijuana grow operation.
I've heard rumors that
Brandy was having an affair.
We do have new evidence
that's never been revealed before.