Age of Attraction (2026) s01e07 Episode Script
Can You Tell Us His Age?
1
Fever 102 ♪
Guess I got a little case of you ♪
You know it's true ♪
We're getting ready
to go meet my family or friends.
-I don't know who's here for me.
-I'm pumped. I'm really excited.
Yeah, so wish us luck.
On the edge and I can't let go ♪
[Vanessa] When was the last time
you met someone's family?
-[Logan] It's been a while.
-[Vanessa] Okay.
-Do you remember why you like me?
-[Logan] Here we go.
I see somebody. Excuse us.
[screaming silently]
[chuckling]
-I'm crying. I'm screaming.
-[Hayley] Same.
[inaudible]
I love you so… This is Hayley.
-Hi, Hayley. Nice to meet you.
-This is Logan.
-So nice to meet you.
-Oh my God. I'm so happy you're here.
[music fades]
-[Vanessa] Cheers.
-Start off with that. Yeah.
-Cheers to Hayley.
-Cheers. So, Hayley.
She's a Leo. He's a Leo.
-Oh my gosh.
-[Vanessa] Your birthday?
Here we go with the star talk.
-Just like him.
-No, I don't believe.
-Remember, we don't believe in that.
-Yeah. Okay.
So anyways, we became best friends,
and she did not know how old I was.
How old did you think I was
when we were hanging out?
Maybe five years older than me.
And I told her,
and she laid in fetal position…
-I was shocked.
-[Logan] Really? She looks good.
-I mean, you know--
-Logan didn't know my age.
-How old are you, Logan?
-[Vanessa] Let's tell her our story first.
-Okay.
-[Vanessa] Let's tell her our story.
-I mean, so we…
-Tell her how we met.
-You wanna go? [chuckling]
-No. I'm an interrupter.
-She interrupts me a lot.
-[Vanessa] Go ahead.
Um, so yeah, we met at this retreat,
and the whole point of the retreat was,
like, you know, go in,
not think about age, not talk about age.
That was, like, the goal.
And out of all the women there,
I connected with Vanessa the most.
And, uh, I wanted to continue,
you know, seeing it out.
Obviously,
I just felt like we had a connection and…
And then after that, we moved in together.
-Yeah.
-[Hayley] Okay.
-So now we're here…
-And how is that? How's that going?
Tell her what living with Vanessa
has been like.
It's been fun. I mean, she's…
She's…
You can tell
she's a strong, independent woman.
-Are you keeping up?
-Like… You know, I try.
Um, it's like, I think
I'm doing a good job. I don't know.
I mean, we have our ups and downs,
but it's good.
-And I think that--
-Tell me… tell me about that.
-[Logan] I think it's…
-What are the downs?
-I mean, we're too fiery.
-Tell her.
-Like, we have a very fiery personality.
-Yeah, you're a Leo.
Like, you know, we do fight.
I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, we tell each other how it is
and, you know, how we feel.
Like he kind of matches my energy,
and I match his energy.
-Now we're just…
-Then we can get to the age.
[Vanessa] We're not getting
to the age yet.
-You wanted to get into the age.
-I'm saving it for--
-Your story goes in so many pieces.
-I know.
What? Like, "Say this. Say this."
What do you want me to say?
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm really excited.
Is this that fighting
that I'm seeing right now?
-The fieriness between us?
-Yeah, it's like, "Say this. Say this"
Whoa! Don't talk about the age.
Or talk about the age.
Say what you wanna say.
Guess how old he is.
Okay, just guess how old he is.
I want her to guess.
Thirty-eight?
Wow. I'm old.
How old are you?
I am 29.
[chuckling] No, you're not.
-Are you screaming, crying, throwing up?
-No.
Here's the thing though. Here's the thing.
Let's put it… Time-out.
You guys are best friends, though.
Vanessa's young at heart.
[Logan] No--
And that's why we click so well.
Like, when we're in the apartment,
I don't feel the age difference, you know?
But then sometimes, like,
if we go out or, like, this conversation,
you get reminded of it.
And it's like, that part's hard.
But everything else has…
When I think of Vanessa,
I feel like we're the same age.
[Logan] Right. She's…
But what I wanna say is like,
I think it's so cool my best friend is 32,
and my best guy is 29.
-Like… And I'm 49.
-Best guy. Top of the roster.
He's the top of the roster.
He's my only one. Stop.
-You're the only guy. [chuckling]
-Oh my gosh.
-What?
-I just… This is crazy.
[pensive music playing]
You know,
I wasn't happy to see Hayley's reaction
to, like, how old I actually am.
And I'm constantly reminded
of the age gap.
With my parents, with the outside world,
now with Hayley.
And, you know, it's tough.
It's the reality of, you know,
our life together so far.
So… hopefully
Vanessa's saying good things.
Uh, but, you know, you never know.
-Obviously you know my dating history.
-Yes.
I wanna hear, like,
what your impression of him was.
I… I don't know.
Like, I thought it was kinda weird
the way
you guys, like, literally got in, like,
these, like, little mini fights.
-What's going on there?
-Yeah.
Is it, like, in a fun way?
-Or is this like, a… bad way?
-I know. Okay.
Does this remind you
of any relationships of mine?
-All of them.
-Yes, I know. Seriously.
So, at some point I'm like, is this me?
Or is this him?
Or do I just pick
really strong personalities?
-I don't know. I don't like that.
-Yeah.
I think that meeting…
Obviously this is a strange situation.
But that was bad vibes.
-Just that interaction.
-Okay.
He literally had a mini fight with you
twice while we were sitting here.
-Yes.
-Like, that's weird.
-Do you think that's weird?
-Yes.
That's what I wanna talk about.
So, we move in together.
I thought we were friends.
And like, then finally like,
it got to be more than friends. But like--
You move in together,
and feel like you're just friends?
In the beg--
For the first couple of days, he was
sleeping with a pillow between us,
saying his prayers at night.
That seems, like, significant.
It's just these dumb little things
that make me think he's still childish.
-You know? I mean, 29.
But I think, I look at you, you're 32,
and I don't feel an age difference.
-At all.
-Yeah.
-You're that person. You need advice.
-But that's all I'm hearing is red flags.
I know. Me too. At first, I was like--
-You're just like, "Me too."
-I was excusing them as yellow flags.
Are you ready to take this home,
like, to the next level?
-Yeah. Yeah.
-You wanna continue this relationship?
-So…
-I mean…
-Obviously, things would be different.
-Yeah.
Sure. So, for me, I feel like…
Honestly,
this… this thing that we've been through
has bonded us together.
Yeah.
Like, in a way I've never been
with anyone else. You know?
In the beginning, it was great.
And then it got a little lukewarm.
And then it was bad. And then it was good.
And now I'm just like, where am I?
It's been like…
I've been running in circles with it.
Do you think it's his age?
Or do you think it's his personality type?
It's sounding to me
that it could be
just a little bit of both.
Yeah.
Maybe he's, like,
having an issue with the age.
-And that's why he's so hot and cold.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
-And, like, causing these problems.
I know. Yeah.
-So, like, what is-- So--
-Yeah.
Should he, like,
take that ring off your finger? [laughs]
[Vanessa] Mmm.
[Hayley] In relationships,
Vanessa normally wants somebody
super outgoing, the life of the party.
I think she needs somebody
a little bit younger,
somebody who's still outgoing,
fun, not a lot of baggage.
But at the same time, that's kinda, like,
where things might come into a problem
because he is those things.
So, you know,
do I think this is the best thing for her?
-[brooding pop music playing]
-I'm not sure.
No, we can't take this for granted
Anymore ♪
I gave everything up for our weakness ♪
This is the last standoff ♪
[John] Oh, parachute pants.
-[chuckling] Not really.
-I like these.
They are not parachute pants.
-They're just…
-That was the year I was born.
-Oh my God. Awesome.
Good to know.
[John inhaling]
Um, I went to breakfast with my sister.
She kept asking me about age and stuff.
And I told her.
-[scoffing] Okay.
-It's important for them to know.
Yeah. But, like, they don't know me.
[John] But I know you.
So they need to know about who you are.
I just… It's hard for me to sort of like,
understand how they could, like,
accept me given all of those, like,
very different circumstances.
I would think that they'd be like,
how can you know
that you feel the way you do?
I think my people
are gonna be a little bit more cautious.
I know my kids.
I know that they want me to be happy.
They want me to find someone. Um…
You know, they love me.
So they…
[emotional music playing]
I, you know,
I can't imagine that they'd be like,
against what I want, but…
-[John] Mm-hmm.
-…I don't know.
I mean, it's scary.
-[John] Yeah.
-But…
I think the more we talk about it,
the more scared I get
because I'm worried
that something I can't control
is gonna fuck this up.
-I get it.
-I don't want to get blindsided.
I just need to know from you,
is it worth it for me
to continue to invest in this?
Do you think
we can navigate that backlash together?
I mean, this is just really hard,
but it's just like,
I wish we didn't have
this stupid complication.
What complication?
Like just the worry
about people's perceptions
and judgments and age stuff.
But it's a complication on your side.
I'm only stressed about it
'cause you're stressed about it.
-And you're so stressed about it.
-[exhales deeply]
Emotions are running high ♪
I know I've never felt like this ♪
[music fades]
-[Derrick] It's that time.
-[Pfeifer] Mm-mm.
[Derrick] We're meeting somebody.
Look at Pfeifer.
Nervous as shit.
-Hey, don't call me out like that.
-[Derrick chuckling]
-You're nervous too.
-I am. Very.
Oh, I, oh, I
I see it in a new light, new light… ♪
I'm happy to see you, actually.
-I'm so happy.
-[laughing]
-You didn't expect to see me.
-You serious? Oh, so happy.
Well, I gotta get my hug.
I'm super excited to see my best friend
and my cousin.
Good to see you.
-Hi. Nice to meet you.
-How are you? Nice to meet you.
I'm good.
-What is your name?
-Pfeifer.
-Pfeifer. Ratrice. Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you.
She's seen me at low points.
So she's protective of me and, you know,
my feelings and my heart.
So I definitely know
she's going to have some tough questions.
[Ratrice] Derrick is definitely
a pivotal point of my life.
So I'm just wanting to see
how you guys connect.
Have you guys talked about
any, uh, future plans,
or have you thought
about any future plans?
-Yeah.
-Yeah. Yeah, we have.
So she's currently in Seattle.
-Oh, Seattle, nice. Okay.
-[Pfeifer] Yes.
And, like, her contract
where she's working is up in three months.
-Wow.
-So we're, yeah, so…
-All right, the timing.
-[Derrick] All of that's lined up.
So we talked about
obviously me having the boys, right?
So she's open to moving
because obviously I'm stationary. I can't.
Correct. And you are living
in Seattle currently.
-Yes. Yes.
-So that would be a big move for you.
-Yes.
-If you were to move to Texas.
-It would be.
-[Ratrice] Yeah.
-Um, I'm originally from Pittsburgh.
-Okay.
So I moved from Pittsburgh to Seattle.
-[Ratrice] Mm-hmm.
-Um, by myself.
-Nice.
-Big, a big… I mean, cross-country change.
Um, but I've always
been the type of person
to kind of go for that, uh,
sort of adventure.
And I like change, especially,
I mean, it'd be a good reason to move.
-[Ratrice] Right.
-Definitely a change.
It was very important for me to establish
that when I'm moving to Dallas, like I--
I do wanna be, like, Pfeifer.
Like, I still wanna be myself.
-[Ratrice] Correct.
-Have my group of people.
-Correct.
-[Pfeifer] Um…
Because you can't… can't rely
on just one relationship for…
To be your only relationship in your life.
[Ratrice] Mm-hmm.
'Cause that's a lot of pressure
for one person to be everything.
And that's kind of what I was gearing
towards too, considering the kiddos.
-It's like, how do you feel about…
-And yeah.
Yeah. I knew, um, right when I started
talking to Derrick that he had children,
and that's, like, very important to me.
Correct.
And I knew he wouldn't be able to move,
but I am in the position where I can.
-[Ratrice] Okay.
-Um, and I take… I take family seriously.
I really wanna a big family
with lots of kids.
-I'm assuming you don't have kids.
-No, I don't.
-[Ratrice] So you want a big family.
-Yes.
And you'll be okay with kinda
incorporating yourself into a family.
Absolutely. Yeah.
-[Ratrice] Awesome.
-I mean, just more people to love.
-[Ratrice] Exactly.
-Um…
-Yeah.
-[Derrick] Yeah.
And remind me,
I don't know, how old are you?
I'm 23.
-[Pfeifer chuckling]
-[chuckling] Okay.
-I did not know that. [laughs]
-[Pfeifer] Yeah.
We did it a little bit different,
a little far apart.
Yeah, we didn't know.
[Pfeifer] We had no concept
of each other's age.
Um, but, yeah, I really have no pers--
Like, I have no issue with age gaps.
Um, I'm… I'm really, I am about, like,
who is the person?
-Who-- Is it in alignment with your life?
-[Pfeifer] Because it doesn't matter.
[Ratrice] But have you dated someone
with kids?
I-- No, I have never dated
anybody with children.
[Ratrice] Okay.
Um, I guess
my biggest point of reference was,
my parents were split up
when I was really young,
and my dad was, like,
basically a single dad.
Yeah.
So I had a lot of personal experience
with, like, the stepparent figure.
Okay.
Um, I think there's
definitely a way to go about, um, being--
Like, we've talked about
being introduced to… to his… his children.
Um, and I think it's really important
to take the time before doing that.
Yeah.
Because I know how it's impacted me
meeting people quickly,
um, like the women that my dad was with.
I would never wanna put Derrick's children
in that situation.
-It seems you're very understanding.
-Right.
Which is honestly
a very amazing characteristic, you know.
But being, like,
in the real world of things
where it's like, hey,
we only plan quality time once a month.
-Well, Dom is calling now.
-Yeah.
And he's saying, "Hey, I miss you, Dad."
-[Pfeifer] Right.
-And Derrick goes with his son.
How would that kind of look?
Like, yeah,
if I feel like time is not being made,
I would just bring it up.
And I would say,
like, yeah, like, I'm feeling like…
Can we get one date in the books a month?
-Like, I don't need…
-Correct.
-[Pfeifer] I don't need a ton.
-You're not asking for every day.
Pfeifer is 23?
[laughing]
I… That's… That's a gap.
What does that really look like
long term? [chuckling]
Because ten years from now,
she could be a completely different person
than she is today.
And maybe those things
that Pfeifer mentioned she was okay with,
maybe she wouldn't be okay with
five years from now. Who knows?
I think these are questions
that are something to kind of think about.
-Totally.
-Absolutely. Yeah.
-We need to see when that storm hits.
-[Derrick] What it looks like.
-What does it look like?
-Absolutely.
-It'll hit. That's just life in general.
-[Ratrice] Yeah.
[brooding pop music playing]
Let me fade away into the night ♪
How are you feeling?
[Leah groaning]
[music fades]
[Leah] I'm okay. It could be better.
Do you wanna talk a little bit?
I mean, I don't… I don't know.
What, do you want to talk?
Yeah, actually, I'd like to tell you
how I'm feeling a little bit.
-You wanna sit down?
-Yeah. Actually, get me a blankie.
I have never been broken down
this much in a relationship.
And I've never felt so exhausted
in moments in a relationship.
But I care about Leah so much.
I care about the connection we've made.
I want to make this work and move forward.
I wanna talk.
And all I really wanna talk about
was just to remind you that I see you.
And that I know that this is hard on you.
Like it's hard on me, this whole process.
Um, but I want to be honest about the fact
that the overbearingness,
it's quite literally driving me nuts.
Maybe I just think of it
a little differently.
I think I'm more of a--
I'm trying to do like a "we" thing.
But then it's like,
I feel you keep doing a "me" thing,
which is cool.
Well, I think it goes back to the fact
that you don't want to be left alone,
which I understand.
I think, what you realize is,
I'm left alone a lot.
I'm a flight attendant.
We're alone all the time.
Like, trust me, when I'm alone, I'm alone.
And I have no problem with it.
But it's like, I just don't under--
I don't know what is healthy for you
and healthy for me.
And then find us our healthy place.
I'm… I'm struggling.
Like, I'm really, really struggling.
I know. I see it.
That's why I'm like, I don't--
That's why for me, it's like,
I don't know what to do for you.
And, like, I want you
to be your happy, healthy self.
I just… I don't know.
I miss what it was like at the retreat.
I know.
And, like,
I miss the way you looked at me.
I do.
I'm, I-- It hurts me to hear that, like,
you feel that I'm looking at you that way
because I really am trying
my absolute hardest…
-I know.
-…to make sure you feel loved.
Like, I really am.
I'm just telling you
that I won't leave this
without giving all of that I got.
-That's it, you know?
-I can say the same.
And I believe that you won't either.
So I appreciate you hearing me.
No, thank you
for having this conversation with me.
-Let's just take it day by day.
-I know.
We're good?
[both chuckling]
["Back of My Mind" playing]
Thank you.
-Thank you.
-We'll figure this out.
We'll figure this out.
Singin' to lovers I used to call mine ♪
[Andrew] Mmm.
-Delish.
-So good.
Having my friends meet Libby
really put things into perspective for me.
I mean, integrating a 22-year-old girl
into my life is definitely concerning.
We live on different coasts,
different time zones.
Kids, work, life.
And what happens
when we're back to all of that?
[music fades]
So remember when we were, like, talking,
and you were telling me how you wish
that you would have taken more time
between college and the real world?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
And like traveled
or moved abroad or something?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
It's just been on my mind. Like…
I know we have
the commitment ceremony coming up.
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
And I feel like the closer we get to that,
the more I've been in my head about…
Like, is there a future with us?
Are we aligned?
Is our age gonna be more of a factor?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
I just know, like, when I was 22,
I wasn't ready to be in a serious,
committed relationship. And I knew that.
So it was just, I don't know.
It's been something that's on my mind.
I'm like, if there's more life
that you feel like you need to go and live
and, like, do it by yourself…
-[Libby] Mm-hmm.
-…like, I would understand that.
To me, I don't view it as that.
I'm not like, oh, this is somebody
who's gonna take away from my life.
And they're gonna expect me
to, um, be a certain way or
not travel, not have fun,
not see my friends, whatever.
I don't see it like that.
I feel like you add to my life.
I mean,
I've already had so much fun with you.
And, like, to me,
that's experiencing life.
I know I'm a lot of fun, like right now.
-I am more boring at home.
-Yeah.
I don't go out that much.
There's definitely… My life is more,
it's like established and settled.
And I think that's always been an issue
with me when I date, you know, younger.
It's like,
am I holding you back from, you know,
I guess, what I wanted in my twenties?
I don't know.
Like, obviously, I'm only 22,
but I don't think I'm as crazy
as you might think. [chuckling]
The most important things to me in my life
have been stability and my friends
and my family and, you know, like,
my career and keeping myself on track,
and all that stuff.
Like, that's what feels good
in life to me, not being crazy.
Part of something
I wanted to experience was
a stable relationship
with a normal person.
-An old guy.
-So…
-A really old-- A really old person.
-Really old guy.
I think it's just hard to hear
a lot of hesitation from him.
And I guess it hits me differently
now that I've opened up to him fully.
There is a part of me that is nervous that
if we get to the next step,
and we're outside of here,
these doubts and reservations
will just continue.
And at that point, we will be fully in,
and that will only get harder.
["We Are the Heroes" playing]
Every day we're getting closer ♪
Finally, the wait is over ♪
Slipping out of the shadows… ♪
-[Logan] You need anything? Yeah?
-[Vanessa] No, I'm good. Yeah.
Um, so you got to meet my friend,
which I'm so happy
because how ironic, like,
my best friend and you are the same age.
It's pretty on-brand.
-Yeah, I mean…
-I feel like I did not expect it.
I expected nothing less
of your best friend.
I expected her to be young,
vibrant, just like you.
-Yeah.
-It's cool to see you with your girl.
-You know? You were shining as always.
-I'm so happy.
What do… What do you think
her honest opinion is of me and this?
She was just worried about the fighting.
Us saying the fighting.
It kind of alerted her.
-Yeah.
-To, like, what is this fighting?
What is going on? Like, how--
Is this a big deal type of thing?
Does this, like, define us?
Are we more
than just having little fights, you know?
I mean, you tell me.
-I mean…
-What do you think?
-I don't want it to define us.
-I don't either.
I would like to just be able to like
elevate both of us to a place
where, like, we don't have to have
the fighting anymore.
-You know what I mean?
-Right.
It's just like…
It's like a battle of egos, you know?
It's just not healthy and it's not good.
-And I don't wanna do it. So…
-Yeah.
So I'm like, from this point on,
I just wanna pick the battles.
If it's not worth fighting.
I feel like today was a good day.
We got annoyed with each other,
but we're like, whatever, blow it off.
Yeah.
So do you think, eventually,
just our little quips be like,
"That's just Vanessa"?
-Or "Just Logan."
-I would hope so.
It was funny because at dinner
Hayley was like, is this a fight?
-And I'm…
-Yeah.
-No, like, this is literally me talking.
-Yeah.
And then all of a sudden you going like,
"No, talk about this." Going in circles.
-I'm like, "Vanessa, what do you want?"
-I know, I'm always ten steps ahead.
Yeah, you are.
You have to see that in yourself.
-I know that.
-Know what I mean?
-Because my mind is constantly going.
-It is.
But it's like, if you want somebody to…
their personality to be their personality,
you have to take a step back sometimes.
It goes both ways.
I'm not saying it's just you.
Like, there's me. Like, I--
I'm like, push, push, push and…
And you're like, you're ten steps behind,
and I'm ten steps forward.
-You know what I mean?
-I've just given you the steps.
I know.
You know, but I do feel like--
I want you to accept me for how I am.
And I wanna accept you for how you are.
So it's like, we just have to, like,
navigate through that.
Right.
-So hopefully we can figure this out.
-Yeah.
-So what's next?
-Yeah.
-Yeah, what's next?
-I just asked you.
-You can't ask me that question back.
-[squeals]
No, it's like
the question that's hanging in the air.
Like, where do we go from here?
-I think what's next is we enjoy tonight.
-Stop it. [chuckling]
-And we have fun.
-Mm-hmm.
-And we light some candles.
-Okay.
I'll step out and take this ride ♪
I feel alive ♪
So I'm gonna stand my ground ♪
Got something to believe in ♪
Even if I fall back down ♪
Nothing's gonna stop me now ♪
'Cause now I'm fireproof ♪
All right. What's on the happy-hour menu?
Great expect-- oh, wine flight.
-[indistinct chatter]
-[Theresa chuckling]
-Zero appetite.
-Zero appetite?
No, none. It's okay.
Oh, here they are.
I got this fire inside me ♪
[Theresa] Yay.
Oh my God.
Hey, Mom.
[Theresa chuckling]
-How are you? Richard?
-[Richard] Good. How are you?
-John. Nice to meet you.
-John.
-Thank you.
-[Theresa] Oh my God.
How are you, Mom?
[Theresa, voice breaking]
I can't believe you guys are all here.
It is crazy.
Were you not expecting me to come?
-[John] How are you guys? Good.
-[Michael] Good. You?
-I can't believe you guys are all here.
-[Lauren] Yeah.
-[John] Cheers.
-Cheers. Nice to meet you.
-Yeah.
-Nice to meet you.
-Thanks for coming. Taking the flight.
-Very… very happy to.
It's been fun.
Your mom talks about all you guys
all the time.
[Theresa] Obsessively.
And I'll say
that she's very proud of you guys.
-[Richard] Yeah.
-[John] I'm happy you guys are here.
-And I think she is too.
-Yeah.
-No, I'm not happy.
-[all chuckling]
Yeah.
Well, what made you
wanna take this journey?
I guess getting out of Miami.
Miami is very superficial,
and not to talk down on it,
but it's hard to make
a genuine connection.
Um, I came into this experience,
like, super open-minded
and ready for whatever came to me,
and we connected fast.
Yeah. For whatever reason,
like, we gravitated towards each other
from the very beginning.
And it's just, like, our relationship
has built more and more.
And it's, you know, been very genuine.
He's like a nice, safe dude.
And it's been really great
to get to know him, and…
Do-- Are you living together
right now, or…?
-Yeah.
-Oh, you are. How's that?
It's been good.
He's being a very good boy. [laughs]
He's, like, picking up
and, like, doing things.
[all chuckling]
But yeah, actually, like,
probably the one thing that I would say
that bothers me the most
is that a couple of times
we've been at a restaurant,
and you'll take a paper napkin
and you'll just be like, toot.
-Okay.
-And I'm like, that's not where that goes.
-I'm learning something new, so…
-Small things.
I feel like I do that.
-Like, you never say anything like that.
-I know. Yeah, well.
What do you think about having, like,
her having older kids too?
So, well…
I don't know.
We've talked about that, but…
Yeah. Like when we revealed,
like, our truths to each other,
age and obviously you guys
were a huge part of that.
Um, he was like, whatever.
-[Theresa chuckling]
-Not in like a passive way.
-Just like, you know, you are who you are.
-Yeah.
She shouldn't be, and she's not.
She shouldn't be ashamed of that.
And you don't wanna have kids,
I'm assuming.
I don't want kids, no.
I've never seen that in my future.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
I felt comfortable giving her that answer.
-[Richard] Yeah.
-That's how I honestly feel, so.
[Michael] That's fair.
I will say,
the fact that we are all older though too,
you don't have to deal with
the BS of, like,
I don't know, like me going to college
or like paying…
-Yeah. Like the pressure of all that.
-[Michael] Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's part of why I agreed
to do this, was because I, you know…
-Now that we're all done, yeah.
-It's not-- Yeah.
I mean, it's not that you're "done."
Like obviously
I'm always gonna be your mom
and be supportive and everything, but…
It did come sort of at a strange time
that this opportunity was, like,
literally the day I left your graduation.
-Yeah.
-[Theresa] Right?
And I remember, like,
leaving you guys that day and crying
and being like, "What am I doing?
What am I doing?"
You know,
'cause I was like having doubts about it,
and leaving you guys was so hard.
[Richard] Yeah.
But, you know.
I mean, you've always tried to protect us
and think about us first.
But maybe you've been neglecting yourself.
It's important
to take care of yourself too
and to do something
that's for you and for your future.
[Theresa] Yeah.
[emotional music playing]
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's what I said,
you know, in this whole thing was, like,
I more or less finished that chapter,
making sure you guys were sent off
on your best way possible.
And so now it was a time for me
to find, you know,
something that was good for me and like…
-Your own happiness. Yeah.
-Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah.
How would you envision
your ideal future together? Like…
[Theresa] Um…
Yeah, I don't-- I mean, we don't know.
Like, I'm not gonna predict anything.
I respected Lauren
for caring about her mom
and asking those hard questions.
I think probably all three of the kids
were interested in those answers.
I know how important family time is.
So I'm gonna head back to the apartment.
Thanks again for coming.
Hopefully we catch up soon.
-Yes.
-[Lauren] Good to meet you.
-[John] Richard.
-Yes.
-Nice to meet you.
-Thanks again.
-Yeah.
-[John] You hug again?
-[Richard] Yep.
-Bye.
-Nice to meet you.
-Of course.
-Hopefully see you soon.
-Yep.
I think today went great.
But I saw Theresa
kind of beat around the bush.
I wish she was a little more confident
and proud.
"Yeah, I think John and I are solid."
I kind of wish she would've boasted
about that a little more.
And I think the kids
would've probably fed off her energy
saying like, "Oh shit, my mom's, like,
she's really sold on this guy."
So, yeah,
I didn't love that lack of enthusiasm.
What do you think?
You look really happy,
and I'm so excited for you.
Do you see yourself,
like, getting married?
I don't know.
-[Lauren] Yeah.
-Can't answer that question.
You know, you guys seen me, like, hurt and
destroyed and…
Yeah.
You know? And I don't want
you guys to see that again.
So I'm being very careful and, um…
But I also wanna take your feelings
and consideration into my decision-making.
You know, I don't want anybody
to be uncomfortable
with any situation that I'm, like, in.
So, it… You know, I want you guys
to at all times feel like you can be…
I'm not just saying this.
-You can be upfront with me.
-No, I know. Yeah.
And tell me because you are
the most important things to me
in my whole world.
So can you tell us about his age?
No. I mean, I can, but I don't want to.
Why?
Because I really feel strongly
that I want you
to get to know him like I did.
Yeah.
You know, we formed a connection
based on those deeper qualities
and, like, the more meaningful things.
And I want you guys
to also have that opportunity.
-Yeah.
-But I want that to come at a later stage.
Yeah. I just wanna make sure
you're thinking realistically.
-Like…
-I am.
The age is gonna make a big difference
when you're out of this whole experience.
[Theresa] No, I… Trust me.
It's a huge thought.
[upbeat pop music playing]
[Michael] Not telling the age
was definitely a little weird.
I would say
I think John is probably more around 35.
If John were younger than about 30,
it would definitely be
more of like a surprise to me
and definitely more of a weirder thing
just 'cause, like,
we're maybe closer to age than she is.
So that's definitely a little strange.
He seems really into her,
which I think that's a good sign
that they have great chemistry.
But I wanna protect my mom, obviously,
because she's been in hard relationships
for the past ten years.
But I do think realistically,
there's a lot of other things
that come with the age difference.
And I think time will tell
if it really will be able
to work out in the long run.
Ooh ♪
Ooh ♪
Can you handle my love? ♪
How are you feeling, ma'am?
[music fades]
Um…
[Derrick] Talk to me.
Honestly, pretty bad.
Okay.
I think…
maybe I've been a little bit,
um, overly optimistic about things.
I guess.
-Okay.
-Um…
Okay, like this whole time
I've been telling myself, I'm like,
"I'm moving because I wanna move.
I'm moving because I don't wanna be--"
Which is true.
I don't wanna be in Seattle.
-I don't wanna be there, but like…
-[microwave beeps]
I'm moving to basically be with you.
Like that is…
That is the truth of the matter.
Like, that's what I'm doing.
[Derrick] Mm-hmm.
[Pfeifer] And
I have always told myself
I will-- I will not change my life
for a man.
Which I think
my big struggle right now is like,
am I betraying myself
by giving up everything
for a relationship?
And I'm having a hard time
with my own personal
values.
Okay.
Um, I also think,
sometimes I just don't need to hear, like,
"Oh, everything's gonna be fine."
[voice breaking] Because it's not helpful.
Um,
because it's like…
I'm… I'm, like, giving up everything.
Which, like, and you're--
It's not like you're not.
But,
like, I am.
And it's like, I don't…
Like--
Like, put yourself in that position.
Like, not only leaving everybody
and everything I've worked for.
But I'm also going
against my own values to do that.
Which is not to say that I'm not going to
or that's not gonna be worth it.
But sitting here,
now, I'm like…
What the fuck am I doing?
What the fuck am I doing?
I'm sorry, that's like,
not very positive or kind, but…
No, it's real.
I want you to be honest and real.
[Pfeifer] I'm just like…
-I'm just scared.
-I understand.
I understand.
I think that, um, uncertainty,
being scared, that's normal.
And I know that that's
extremely uncomfortable for you.
And I know it's like, "Well,
Derrick, that's easy for you to say."
"You're not the one making
that sacrifice."
I get… I get all of that.
There is not, like, some word
or magic formula that I can say
to just make all that go away.
That's just gonna be an element of it.
But change is not bad always, you know.
Change is just more of like evolving.
And so you'll still have your friends.
You'll have me.
You'll have your relationship.
You'll have new friends.
You'll eventually…
Whether you change a career 25 times,
it doesn't matter.
You don't have to know
all the answers right now.
Like, I don't…
I don't wanna stress personally.
Like just being selfish.
I don't wanna be stressed out.
Like, "Oh my God,
Pfeifer's stressed about this."
I need you to be
in a peaceful state for us.
That's how we will flourish.
Like just being real. So…
[Pfeifer] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[Derrick] What?
What?
[Pfeifer mumbles]
[Derrick] Say it.
So you're saying
in order for this relationship to work,
starting off,
you need to be making this decision
from a place of peace.
Is that correct?
Okay. [sniffling]
[music intensifies]
[music fades]
I try to keep it simple ♪
But simple never gets you this ♪
Can't resist, no ♪
I thought I had forever ♪
Oh, this is beautiful.
But it's a now-or-never kiss ♪
So excited to see everyone.
Can't waste another minute
Without a leap of faith ♪
-Hi.
-Look at this.
-You guys…
-[John] Get over here.
-You guys are glowing over here.
-[John] How are you, buddy?
I've been waiting my whole life
For someone just like you ♪
And now you've proven to me… ♪
[Theresa] Hey, guys.
-Hi, honey. I miss you so much.
-I miss you.
-You look so beautiful.
-So do you.
-Hey, guys. How are you?
-What's up?
-Hi!
-What's up, buddy?
Get caught up in the madness ♪
Start dancing in the magic ♪
Yeah, anything can happen ♪
Under city lights ♪
[music fades]
Everybody looks amazing.
-You guys all look stunning.
-Can we toast everybody together?
I think no matter
what happens beyond this,
we've all grown
and we've all become better people.
So, you know, one day at a time.
Let's just keep moving forward.
Whether it's together or apart.
I know this has been a blessing.
-And I'm very appreciative.
-Together or apart, dang!
-[Libby] I agree. I love it.
-Cheers.
-Yeah.
-Cheers.
-Cheers, you guys.
-Together or apart.
-[Derrick] Better apart.
-To together.
[Natalie] Hello!
[Andrew] Whoa!
-Oh.
-Hey!
Wow!
[Natalie] Hey, hey.
[scattered applause]
-How are y'all doing?
-[all] Great.
-[Natalie] Great.
-How are you doing?
-We're great.
-It's not about us.
-It's not?
-We're already in love.
-We're married. We have a baby. You know.
-Okay.
So last time we saw you,
we dropped a little surprise.
Letting you know
that friends and family were on the way.
-I'd call that more.
-So no more surprises.
That was more of a bomb, not a surprise.
That was a bomb. [chuckles]
And just like that, this relationship
wasn't just yours anymore.
-[Andrew] Yeah.
-To say the least.
You had to open it up to opinions,
to pressure, and to judgment.
That's true.
[Natalie] And it affected you
in different ways.
Theresa.
I know when we kinda dropped that bomb,
I couldn't help
but notice some nervousness.
Um, I was horrified, scared,
and I wasn't expecting it
to happen the way it did.
Obviously, your kids are older.
-They're, I think--
-Well, I'm very protective of my kids.
-They're my kids.
-[Nick] Okay.
However, John was extremely poised
and very articulate.
And they asked him great hard questions.
And he answered them,
you know, like a baller, and… [laughs]
-That's great.
-[chuckling]
Was his age one of the questions
that your kids asked?
-Well, I was like, yeah, not now.
-Oh, you didn't tell?
No, they don't know.
[dramatic music playing]
Oh, so they never told--
-And they won't know for a while.
-[Leah] Oh.
[Theresa] Until I decide.
What's your reasoning
for not telling your kids his age?
Because there's
a gigantic double standard.
If he was my age and I was his age,
it would be such a lesser of a problem.
And so I'm going into this as, you know,
really in a difficult position
because there will be a lot of judgment.
Not on only me, but my kids probably,
their friends, our community, all of that.
And if we're being real, like, and
we wanna say, like, age doesn't matter,
then why should I have to
reveal it right now?
Why shouldn't I be able
to let them get to know him
before I say, you know,
"By the way, he's in your age range."
Like, that's gonna be awkward.
Leah, you've been pretty expressive
over there.
Because the whole point of this journey
is to let everyone's
family know how old were the people
that were dating.
That's the whole point.
-I didn't know there was a choice.
-That will come.
I mean, it doesn't have to happen
when somebody else tells me it has to.
-I decide.
-[Leah] It's gonna happen regardless.
-Yeah, of course.
-Why hide it now?
Like…
-I'm not hiding it.
-[Leah] He's 27, right?
I'm trying to be strategic
in letting my kids get to know him
as I did.
-It's interesting.
-They'll find out when they find out.
And it's nobody's choice or decision
to do that except for he and I.
I just thought we had to divulge it
at the end of the day.
I thought that was the goal.
We're not ashamed of it.
-I'm not ashamed of how old he is.
-I'm not ashamed of it.
-I just need some water.
-It's really none of your business.
[Leah] It's not my business.
It's gonna come out one way or another.
-It's none of your business. So then…
-Yeah. I understand.
No, I'm still gonna have a voice.
I understand you're coming from--
You can have your voice
that goes in your head.
-Not verbally.
-[Leah] No.
-It's the voice that's gonna be said.
-Well, I don't need to hear it.
Oh, I'm sorry. It just got said.
[dramatic sting]
All I can say is don't fucking come for me
'cause I will… [grunting]
[music fades]
All right. Let's stay respectful, guys.
We're good.
I think for clarity,
friends and family were coming
to meet the person that you committed to.
And how many of those details you include
is up to you.
[pensive music playing]
You shared space.
You shared lives. You faced judgment.
And you found ways to stay connected.
But now, it's decision time.
Tonight is your last night together.
[Natalie] Tomorrow morning,
you will wake up next to the person
you've lived a life with here.
But then, you have to say goodbye.
Because from that moment on,
you will be on your own.
[Nick] No more shared space.
No more comfort in each other's presence.
Just time to sit with your heart,
your doubts,
and your decision.
The next time you see each other,
it will be to speak your truth
and to decide,
"Do we move forward together,
or do we walk away?"
[Nick] Each of you
will make one final journey
to a mountaintop overlooking a place
where it all began.
[Natalie] Up there,
you'll stand face-to-face and ask,
do you keep those promise rings
and commit to taking this leap together?
Or do you take them off
and choose a different path, alone?
["Find Another" by Karo Moralyan
and Mia Mormino playing]
[softly] That sucks.
You've all got a lot to think about.
[voice breaking] It's just not fair.
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign… ♪
[Andrew] You're 22.
I'm 38.
[dramatic sting]
That's a big gap.
The truth is
no matter how much I doubt the age gap.
I don't doubt the way I feel
when I'm with you.
If we were to stay together,
I may regret it for the rest of my life.
I'll always protect you,
and I'll always protect your heart.
Pfeifer, I truly love you.
If I let go, will I see you again? ♪
[Theresa] It's a huge commitment
to say that this person who's 27 years
younger than me is my boyfriend.
I need you to believe
that age is just a number,
but also believe in me,
that every day I'm gonna show up
and work on this together.
I love you.
I can see myself growing with you.
You lit something inside me
that I thought was gone.
I think we both made a decision that
will impact our lives and our families,
and I just hope and pray
that it's the right one.
[Vanessa] He's in the prime
of his life right now, honestly.
And why would he give that up
for someone 20 years older than him?
Is this the part
where you break up with me?
I need the promise ring back.
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign ♪
Do I cross your mind? ♪
Don't wanna find another ♪
I'm trying to forget ♪
But if I let go, will I see you again? ♪
Can we go back in time? ♪
Would it be such a crime ♪
To look at this as a sign ♪
And try again one more time? ♪
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign ♪
If I let go, will I see you again? ♪
Fever 102 ♪
Guess I got a little case of you ♪
You know it's true ♪
We're getting ready
to go meet my family or friends.
-I don't know who's here for me.
-I'm pumped. I'm really excited.
Yeah, so wish us luck.
On the edge and I can't let go ♪
[Vanessa] When was the last time
you met someone's family?
-[Logan] It's been a while.
-[Vanessa] Okay.
-Do you remember why you like me?
-[Logan] Here we go.
I see somebody. Excuse us.
[screaming silently]
[chuckling]
-I'm crying. I'm screaming.
-[Hayley] Same.
[inaudible]
I love you so… This is Hayley.
-Hi, Hayley. Nice to meet you.
-This is Logan.
-So nice to meet you.
-Oh my God. I'm so happy you're here.
[music fades]
-[Vanessa] Cheers.
-Start off with that. Yeah.
-Cheers to Hayley.
-Cheers. So, Hayley.
She's a Leo. He's a Leo.
-Oh my gosh.
-[Vanessa] Your birthday?
Here we go with the star talk.
-Just like him.
-No, I don't believe.
-Remember, we don't believe in that.
-Yeah. Okay.
So anyways, we became best friends,
and she did not know how old I was.
How old did you think I was
when we were hanging out?
Maybe five years older than me.
And I told her,
and she laid in fetal position…
-I was shocked.
-[Logan] Really? She looks good.
-I mean, you know--
-Logan didn't know my age.
-How old are you, Logan?
-[Vanessa] Let's tell her our story first.
-Okay.
-[Vanessa] Let's tell her our story.
-I mean, so we…
-Tell her how we met.
-You wanna go? [chuckling]
-No. I'm an interrupter.
-She interrupts me a lot.
-[Vanessa] Go ahead.
Um, so yeah, we met at this retreat,
and the whole point of the retreat was,
like, you know, go in,
not think about age, not talk about age.
That was, like, the goal.
And out of all the women there,
I connected with Vanessa the most.
And, uh, I wanted to continue,
you know, seeing it out.
Obviously,
I just felt like we had a connection and…
And then after that, we moved in together.
-Yeah.
-[Hayley] Okay.
-So now we're here…
-And how is that? How's that going?
Tell her what living with Vanessa
has been like.
It's been fun. I mean, she's…
She's…
You can tell
she's a strong, independent woman.
-Are you keeping up?
-Like… You know, I try.
Um, it's like, I think
I'm doing a good job. I don't know.
I mean, we have our ups and downs,
but it's good.
-And I think that--
-Tell me… tell me about that.
-[Logan] I think it's…
-What are the downs?
-I mean, we're too fiery.
-Tell her.
-Like, we have a very fiery personality.
-Yeah, you're a Leo.
Like, you know, we do fight.
I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, we tell each other how it is
and, you know, how we feel.
Like he kind of matches my energy,
and I match his energy.
-Now we're just…
-Then we can get to the age.
[Vanessa] We're not getting
to the age yet.
-You wanted to get into the age.
-I'm saving it for--
-Your story goes in so many pieces.
-I know.
What? Like, "Say this. Say this."
What do you want me to say?
Okay, I'm sorry. I'm really excited.
Is this that fighting
that I'm seeing right now?
-The fieriness between us?
-Yeah, it's like, "Say this. Say this"
Whoa! Don't talk about the age.
Or talk about the age.
Say what you wanna say.
Guess how old he is.
Okay, just guess how old he is.
I want her to guess.
Thirty-eight?
Wow. I'm old.
How old are you?
I am 29.
[chuckling] No, you're not.
-Are you screaming, crying, throwing up?
-No.
Here's the thing though. Here's the thing.
Let's put it… Time-out.
You guys are best friends, though.
Vanessa's young at heart.
[Logan] No--
And that's why we click so well.
Like, when we're in the apartment,
I don't feel the age difference, you know?
But then sometimes, like,
if we go out or, like, this conversation,
you get reminded of it.
And it's like, that part's hard.
But everything else has…
When I think of Vanessa,
I feel like we're the same age.
[Logan] Right. She's…
But what I wanna say is like,
I think it's so cool my best friend is 32,
and my best guy is 29.
-Like… And I'm 49.
-Best guy. Top of the roster.
He's the top of the roster.
He's my only one. Stop.
-You're the only guy. [chuckling]
-Oh my gosh.
-What?
-I just… This is crazy.
[pensive music playing]
You know,
I wasn't happy to see Hayley's reaction
to, like, how old I actually am.
And I'm constantly reminded
of the age gap.
With my parents, with the outside world,
now with Hayley.
And, you know, it's tough.
It's the reality of, you know,
our life together so far.
So… hopefully
Vanessa's saying good things.
Uh, but, you know, you never know.
-Obviously you know my dating history.
-Yes.
I wanna hear, like,
what your impression of him was.
I… I don't know.
Like, I thought it was kinda weird
the way
you guys, like, literally got in, like,
these, like, little mini fights.
-What's going on there?
-Yeah.
Is it, like, in a fun way?
-Or is this like, a… bad way?
-I know. Okay.
Does this remind you
of any relationships of mine?
-All of them.
-Yes, I know. Seriously.
So, at some point I'm like, is this me?
Or is this him?
Or do I just pick
really strong personalities?
-I don't know. I don't like that.
-Yeah.
I think that meeting…
Obviously this is a strange situation.
But that was bad vibes.
-Just that interaction.
-Okay.
He literally had a mini fight with you
twice while we were sitting here.
-Yes.
-Like, that's weird.
-Do you think that's weird?
-Yes.
That's what I wanna talk about.
So, we move in together.
I thought we were friends.
And like, then finally like,
it got to be more than friends. But like--
You move in together,
and feel like you're just friends?
In the beg--
For the first couple of days, he was
sleeping with a pillow between us,
saying his prayers at night.
That seems, like, significant.
It's just these dumb little things
that make me think he's still childish.
-You know? I mean, 29.
But I think, I look at you, you're 32,
and I don't feel an age difference.
-At all.
-Yeah.
-You're that person. You need advice.
-But that's all I'm hearing is red flags.
I know. Me too. At first, I was like--
-You're just like, "Me too."
-I was excusing them as yellow flags.
Are you ready to take this home,
like, to the next level?
-Yeah. Yeah.
-You wanna continue this relationship?
-So…
-I mean…
-Obviously, things would be different.
-Yeah.
Sure. So, for me, I feel like…
Honestly,
this… this thing that we've been through
has bonded us together.
Yeah.
Like, in a way I've never been
with anyone else. You know?
In the beginning, it was great.
And then it got a little lukewarm.
And then it was bad. And then it was good.
And now I'm just like, where am I?
It's been like…
I've been running in circles with it.
Do you think it's his age?
Or do you think it's his personality type?
It's sounding to me
that it could be
just a little bit of both.
Yeah.
Maybe he's, like,
having an issue with the age.
-And that's why he's so hot and cold.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
-And, like, causing these problems.
I know. Yeah.
-So, like, what is-- So--
-Yeah.
Should he, like,
take that ring off your finger? [laughs]
[Vanessa] Mmm.
[Hayley] In relationships,
Vanessa normally wants somebody
super outgoing, the life of the party.
I think she needs somebody
a little bit younger,
somebody who's still outgoing,
fun, not a lot of baggage.
But at the same time, that's kinda, like,
where things might come into a problem
because he is those things.
So, you know,
do I think this is the best thing for her?
-[brooding pop music playing]
-I'm not sure.
No, we can't take this for granted
Anymore ♪
I gave everything up for our weakness ♪
This is the last standoff ♪
[John] Oh, parachute pants.
-[chuckling] Not really.
-I like these.
They are not parachute pants.
-They're just…
-That was the year I was born.
-Oh my God. Awesome.
Good to know.
[John inhaling]
Um, I went to breakfast with my sister.
She kept asking me about age and stuff.
And I told her.
-[scoffing] Okay.
-It's important for them to know.
Yeah. But, like, they don't know me.
[John] But I know you.
So they need to know about who you are.
I just… It's hard for me to sort of like,
understand how they could, like,
accept me given all of those, like,
very different circumstances.
I would think that they'd be like,
how can you know
that you feel the way you do?
I think my people
are gonna be a little bit more cautious.
I know my kids.
I know that they want me to be happy.
They want me to find someone. Um…
You know, they love me.
So they…
[emotional music playing]
I, you know,
I can't imagine that they'd be like,
against what I want, but…
-[John] Mm-hmm.
-…I don't know.
I mean, it's scary.
-[John] Yeah.
-But…
I think the more we talk about it,
the more scared I get
because I'm worried
that something I can't control
is gonna fuck this up.
-I get it.
-I don't want to get blindsided.
I just need to know from you,
is it worth it for me
to continue to invest in this?
Do you think
we can navigate that backlash together?
I mean, this is just really hard,
but it's just like,
I wish we didn't have
this stupid complication.
What complication?
Like just the worry
about people's perceptions
and judgments and age stuff.
But it's a complication on your side.
I'm only stressed about it
'cause you're stressed about it.
-And you're so stressed about it.
-[exhales deeply]
Emotions are running high ♪
I know I've never felt like this ♪
[music fades]
-[Derrick] It's that time.
-[Pfeifer] Mm-mm.
[Derrick] We're meeting somebody.
Look at Pfeifer.
Nervous as shit.
-Hey, don't call me out like that.
-[Derrick chuckling]
-You're nervous too.
-I am. Very.
Oh, I, oh, I
I see it in a new light, new light… ♪
I'm happy to see you, actually.
-I'm so happy.
-[laughing]
-You didn't expect to see me.
-You serious? Oh, so happy.
Well, I gotta get my hug.
I'm super excited to see my best friend
and my cousin.
Good to see you.
-Hi. Nice to meet you.
-How are you? Nice to meet you.
I'm good.
-What is your name?
-Pfeifer.
-Pfeifer. Ratrice. Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you.
She's seen me at low points.
So she's protective of me and, you know,
my feelings and my heart.
So I definitely know
she's going to have some tough questions.
[Ratrice] Derrick is definitely
a pivotal point of my life.
So I'm just wanting to see
how you guys connect.
Have you guys talked about
any, uh, future plans,
or have you thought
about any future plans?
-Yeah.
-Yeah. Yeah, we have.
So she's currently in Seattle.
-Oh, Seattle, nice. Okay.
-[Pfeifer] Yes.
And, like, her contract
where she's working is up in three months.
-Wow.
-So we're, yeah, so…
-All right, the timing.
-[Derrick] All of that's lined up.
So we talked about
obviously me having the boys, right?
So she's open to moving
because obviously I'm stationary. I can't.
Correct. And you are living
in Seattle currently.
-Yes. Yes.
-So that would be a big move for you.
-Yes.
-If you were to move to Texas.
-It would be.
-[Ratrice] Yeah.
-Um, I'm originally from Pittsburgh.
-Okay.
So I moved from Pittsburgh to Seattle.
-[Ratrice] Mm-hmm.
-Um, by myself.
-Nice.
-Big, a big… I mean, cross-country change.
Um, but I've always
been the type of person
to kind of go for that, uh,
sort of adventure.
And I like change, especially,
I mean, it'd be a good reason to move.
-[Ratrice] Right.
-Definitely a change.
It was very important for me to establish
that when I'm moving to Dallas, like I--
I do wanna be, like, Pfeifer.
Like, I still wanna be myself.
-[Ratrice] Correct.
-Have my group of people.
-Correct.
-[Pfeifer] Um…
Because you can't… can't rely
on just one relationship for…
To be your only relationship in your life.
[Ratrice] Mm-hmm.
'Cause that's a lot of pressure
for one person to be everything.
And that's kind of what I was gearing
towards too, considering the kiddos.
-It's like, how do you feel about…
-And yeah.
Yeah. I knew, um, right when I started
talking to Derrick that he had children,
and that's, like, very important to me.
Correct.
And I knew he wouldn't be able to move,
but I am in the position where I can.
-[Ratrice] Okay.
-Um, and I take… I take family seriously.
I really wanna a big family
with lots of kids.
-I'm assuming you don't have kids.
-No, I don't.
-[Ratrice] So you want a big family.
-Yes.
And you'll be okay with kinda
incorporating yourself into a family.
Absolutely. Yeah.
-[Ratrice] Awesome.
-I mean, just more people to love.
-[Ratrice] Exactly.
-Um…
-Yeah.
-[Derrick] Yeah.
And remind me,
I don't know, how old are you?
I'm 23.
-[Pfeifer chuckling]
-[chuckling] Okay.
-I did not know that. [laughs]
-[Pfeifer] Yeah.
We did it a little bit different,
a little far apart.
Yeah, we didn't know.
[Pfeifer] We had no concept
of each other's age.
Um, but, yeah, I really have no pers--
Like, I have no issue with age gaps.
Um, I'm… I'm really, I am about, like,
who is the person?
-Who-- Is it in alignment with your life?
-[Pfeifer] Because it doesn't matter.
[Ratrice] But have you dated someone
with kids?
I-- No, I have never dated
anybody with children.
[Ratrice] Okay.
Um, I guess
my biggest point of reference was,
my parents were split up
when I was really young,
and my dad was, like,
basically a single dad.
Yeah.
So I had a lot of personal experience
with, like, the stepparent figure.
Okay.
Um, I think there's
definitely a way to go about, um, being--
Like, we've talked about
being introduced to… to his… his children.
Um, and I think it's really important
to take the time before doing that.
Yeah.
Because I know how it's impacted me
meeting people quickly,
um, like the women that my dad was with.
I would never wanna put Derrick's children
in that situation.
-It seems you're very understanding.
-Right.
Which is honestly
a very amazing characteristic, you know.
But being, like,
in the real world of things
where it's like, hey,
we only plan quality time once a month.
-Well, Dom is calling now.
-Yeah.
And he's saying, "Hey, I miss you, Dad."
-[Pfeifer] Right.
-And Derrick goes with his son.
How would that kind of look?
Like, yeah,
if I feel like time is not being made,
I would just bring it up.
And I would say,
like, yeah, like, I'm feeling like…
Can we get one date in the books a month?
-Like, I don't need…
-Correct.
-[Pfeifer] I don't need a ton.
-You're not asking for every day.
Pfeifer is 23?
[laughing]
I… That's… That's a gap.
What does that really look like
long term? [chuckling]
Because ten years from now,
she could be a completely different person
than she is today.
And maybe those things
that Pfeifer mentioned she was okay with,
maybe she wouldn't be okay with
five years from now. Who knows?
I think these are questions
that are something to kind of think about.
-Totally.
-Absolutely. Yeah.
-We need to see when that storm hits.
-[Derrick] What it looks like.
-What does it look like?
-Absolutely.
-It'll hit. That's just life in general.
-[Ratrice] Yeah.
[brooding pop music playing]
Let me fade away into the night ♪
How are you feeling?
[Leah groaning]
[music fades]
[Leah] I'm okay. It could be better.
Do you wanna talk a little bit?
I mean, I don't… I don't know.
What, do you want to talk?
Yeah, actually, I'd like to tell you
how I'm feeling a little bit.
-You wanna sit down?
-Yeah. Actually, get me a blankie.
I have never been broken down
this much in a relationship.
And I've never felt so exhausted
in moments in a relationship.
But I care about Leah so much.
I care about the connection we've made.
I want to make this work and move forward.
I wanna talk.
And all I really wanna talk about
was just to remind you that I see you.
And that I know that this is hard on you.
Like it's hard on me, this whole process.
Um, but I want to be honest about the fact
that the overbearingness,
it's quite literally driving me nuts.
Maybe I just think of it
a little differently.
I think I'm more of a--
I'm trying to do like a "we" thing.
But then it's like,
I feel you keep doing a "me" thing,
which is cool.
Well, I think it goes back to the fact
that you don't want to be left alone,
which I understand.
I think, what you realize is,
I'm left alone a lot.
I'm a flight attendant.
We're alone all the time.
Like, trust me, when I'm alone, I'm alone.
And I have no problem with it.
But it's like, I just don't under--
I don't know what is healthy for you
and healthy for me.
And then find us our healthy place.
I'm… I'm struggling.
Like, I'm really, really struggling.
I know. I see it.
That's why I'm like, I don't--
That's why for me, it's like,
I don't know what to do for you.
And, like, I want you
to be your happy, healthy self.
I just… I don't know.
I miss what it was like at the retreat.
I know.
And, like,
I miss the way you looked at me.
I do.
I'm, I-- It hurts me to hear that, like,
you feel that I'm looking at you that way
because I really am trying
my absolute hardest…
-I know.
-…to make sure you feel loved.
Like, I really am.
I'm just telling you
that I won't leave this
without giving all of that I got.
-That's it, you know?
-I can say the same.
And I believe that you won't either.
So I appreciate you hearing me.
No, thank you
for having this conversation with me.
-Let's just take it day by day.
-I know.
We're good?
[both chuckling]
["Back of My Mind" playing]
Thank you.
-Thank you.
-We'll figure this out.
We'll figure this out.
Singin' to lovers I used to call mine ♪
[Andrew] Mmm.
-Delish.
-So good.
Having my friends meet Libby
really put things into perspective for me.
I mean, integrating a 22-year-old girl
into my life is definitely concerning.
We live on different coasts,
different time zones.
Kids, work, life.
And what happens
when we're back to all of that?
[music fades]
So remember when we were, like, talking,
and you were telling me how you wish
that you would have taken more time
between college and the real world?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
And like traveled
or moved abroad or something?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
It's just been on my mind. Like…
I know we have
the commitment ceremony coming up.
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
And I feel like the closer we get to that,
the more I've been in my head about…
Like, is there a future with us?
Are we aligned?
Is our age gonna be more of a factor?
[Libby] Mm-hmm.
I just know, like, when I was 22,
I wasn't ready to be in a serious,
committed relationship. And I knew that.
So it was just, I don't know.
It's been something that's on my mind.
I'm like, if there's more life
that you feel like you need to go and live
and, like, do it by yourself…
-[Libby] Mm-hmm.
-…like, I would understand that.
To me, I don't view it as that.
I'm not like, oh, this is somebody
who's gonna take away from my life.
And they're gonna expect me
to, um, be a certain way or
not travel, not have fun,
not see my friends, whatever.
I don't see it like that.
I feel like you add to my life.
I mean,
I've already had so much fun with you.
And, like, to me,
that's experiencing life.
I know I'm a lot of fun, like right now.
-I am more boring at home.
-Yeah.
I don't go out that much.
There's definitely… My life is more,
it's like established and settled.
And I think that's always been an issue
with me when I date, you know, younger.
It's like,
am I holding you back from, you know,
I guess, what I wanted in my twenties?
I don't know.
Like, obviously, I'm only 22,
but I don't think I'm as crazy
as you might think. [chuckling]
The most important things to me in my life
have been stability and my friends
and my family and, you know, like,
my career and keeping myself on track,
and all that stuff.
Like, that's what feels good
in life to me, not being crazy.
Part of something
I wanted to experience was
a stable relationship
with a normal person.
-An old guy.
-So…
-A really old-- A really old person.
-Really old guy.
I think it's just hard to hear
a lot of hesitation from him.
And I guess it hits me differently
now that I've opened up to him fully.
There is a part of me that is nervous that
if we get to the next step,
and we're outside of here,
these doubts and reservations
will just continue.
And at that point, we will be fully in,
and that will only get harder.
["We Are the Heroes" playing]
Every day we're getting closer ♪
Finally, the wait is over ♪
Slipping out of the shadows… ♪
-[Logan] You need anything? Yeah?
-[Vanessa] No, I'm good. Yeah.
Um, so you got to meet my friend,
which I'm so happy
because how ironic, like,
my best friend and you are the same age.
It's pretty on-brand.
-Yeah, I mean…
-I feel like I did not expect it.
I expected nothing less
of your best friend.
I expected her to be young,
vibrant, just like you.
-Yeah.
-It's cool to see you with your girl.
-You know? You were shining as always.
-I'm so happy.
What do… What do you think
her honest opinion is of me and this?
She was just worried about the fighting.
Us saying the fighting.
It kind of alerted her.
-Yeah.
-To, like, what is this fighting?
What is going on? Like, how--
Is this a big deal type of thing?
Does this, like, define us?
Are we more
than just having little fights, you know?
I mean, you tell me.
-I mean…
-What do you think?
-I don't want it to define us.
-I don't either.
I would like to just be able to like
elevate both of us to a place
where, like, we don't have to have
the fighting anymore.
-You know what I mean?
-Right.
It's just like…
It's like a battle of egos, you know?
It's just not healthy and it's not good.
-And I don't wanna do it. So…
-Yeah.
So I'm like, from this point on,
I just wanna pick the battles.
If it's not worth fighting.
I feel like today was a good day.
We got annoyed with each other,
but we're like, whatever, blow it off.
Yeah.
So do you think, eventually,
just our little quips be like,
"That's just Vanessa"?
-Or "Just Logan."
-I would hope so.
It was funny because at dinner
Hayley was like, is this a fight?
-And I'm…
-Yeah.
-No, like, this is literally me talking.
-Yeah.
And then all of a sudden you going like,
"No, talk about this." Going in circles.
-I'm like, "Vanessa, what do you want?"
-I know, I'm always ten steps ahead.
Yeah, you are.
You have to see that in yourself.
-I know that.
-Know what I mean?
-Because my mind is constantly going.
-It is.
But it's like, if you want somebody to…
their personality to be their personality,
you have to take a step back sometimes.
It goes both ways.
I'm not saying it's just you.
Like, there's me. Like, I--
I'm like, push, push, push and…
And you're like, you're ten steps behind,
and I'm ten steps forward.
-You know what I mean?
-I've just given you the steps.
I know.
You know, but I do feel like--
I want you to accept me for how I am.
And I wanna accept you for how you are.
So it's like, we just have to, like,
navigate through that.
Right.
-So hopefully we can figure this out.
-Yeah.
-So what's next?
-Yeah.
-Yeah, what's next?
-I just asked you.
-You can't ask me that question back.
-[squeals]
No, it's like
the question that's hanging in the air.
Like, where do we go from here?
-I think what's next is we enjoy tonight.
-Stop it. [chuckling]
-And we have fun.
-Mm-hmm.
-And we light some candles.
-Okay.
I'll step out and take this ride ♪
I feel alive ♪
So I'm gonna stand my ground ♪
Got something to believe in ♪
Even if I fall back down ♪
Nothing's gonna stop me now ♪
'Cause now I'm fireproof ♪
All right. What's on the happy-hour menu?
Great expect-- oh, wine flight.
-[indistinct chatter]
-[Theresa chuckling]
-Zero appetite.
-Zero appetite?
No, none. It's okay.
Oh, here they are.
I got this fire inside me ♪
[Theresa] Yay.
Oh my God.
Hey, Mom.
[Theresa chuckling]
-How are you? Richard?
-[Richard] Good. How are you?
-John. Nice to meet you.
-John.
-Thank you.
-[Theresa] Oh my God.
How are you, Mom?
[Theresa, voice breaking]
I can't believe you guys are all here.
It is crazy.
Were you not expecting me to come?
-[John] How are you guys? Good.
-[Michael] Good. You?
-I can't believe you guys are all here.
-[Lauren] Yeah.
-[John] Cheers.
-Cheers. Nice to meet you.
-Yeah.
-Nice to meet you.
-Thanks for coming. Taking the flight.
-Very… very happy to.
It's been fun.
Your mom talks about all you guys
all the time.
[Theresa] Obsessively.
And I'll say
that she's very proud of you guys.
-[Richard] Yeah.
-[John] I'm happy you guys are here.
-And I think she is too.
-Yeah.
-No, I'm not happy.
-[all chuckling]
Yeah.
Well, what made you
wanna take this journey?
I guess getting out of Miami.
Miami is very superficial,
and not to talk down on it,
but it's hard to make
a genuine connection.
Um, I came into this experience,
like, super open-minded
and ready for whatever came to me,
and we connected fast.
Yeah. For whatever reason,
like, we gravitated towards each other
from the very beginning.
And it's just, like, our relationship
has built more and more.
And it's, you know, been very genuine.
He's like a nice, safe dude.
And it's been really great
to get to know him, and…
Do-- Are you living together
right now, or…?
-Yeah.
-Oh, you are. How's that?
It's been good.
He's being a very good boy. [laughs]
He's, like, picking up
and, like, doing things.
[all chuckling]
But yeah, actually, like,
probably the one thing that I would say
that bothers me the most
is that a couple of times
we've been at a restaurant,
and you'll take a paper napkin
and you'll just be like, toot.
-Okay.
-And I'm like, that's not where that goes.
-I'm learning something new, so…
-Small things.
I feel like I do that.
-Like, you never say anything like that.
-I know. Yeah, well.
What do you think about having, like,
her having older kids too?
So, well…
I don't know.
We've talked about that, but…
Yeah. Like when we revealed,
like, our truths to each other,
age and obviously you guys
were a huge part of that.
Um, he was like, whatever.
-[Theresa chuckling]
-Not in like a passive way.
-Just like, you know, you are who you are.
-Yeah.
She shouldn't be, and she's not.
She shouldn't be ashamed of that.
And you don't wanna have kids,
I'm assuming.
I don't want kids, no.
I've never seen that in my future.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
I felt comfortable giving her that answer.
-[Richard] Yeah.
-That's how I honestly feel, so.
[Michael] That's fair.
I will say,
the fact that we are all older though too,
you don't have to deal with
the BS of, like,
I don't know, like me going to college
or like paying…
-Yeah. Like the pressure of all that.
-[Michael] Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's part of why I agreed
to do this, was because I, you know…
-Now that we're all done, yeah.
-It's not-- Yeah.
I mean, it's not that you're "done."
Like obviously
I'm always gonna be your mom
and be supportive and everything, but…
It did come sort of at a strange time
that this opportunity was, like,
literally the day I left your graduation.
-Yeah.
-[Theresa] Right?
And I remember, like,
leaving you guys that day and crying
and being like, "What am I doing?
What am I doing?"
You know,
'cause I was like having doubts about it,
and leaving you guys was so hard.
[Richard] Yeah.
But, you know.
I mean, you've always tried to protect us
and think about us first.
But maybe you've been neglecting yourself.
It's important
to take care of yourself too
and to do something
that's for you and for your future.
[Theresa] Yeah.
[emotional music playing]
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's what I said,
you know, in this whole thing was, like,
I more or less finished that chapter,
making sure you guys were sent off
on your best way possible.
And so now it was a time for me
to find, you know,
something that was good for me and like…
-Your own happiness. Yeah.
-Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah.
How would you envision
your ideal future together? Like…
[Theresa] Um…
Yeah, I don't-- I mean, we don't know.
Like, I'm not gonna predict anything.
I respected Lauren
for caring about her mom
and asking those hard questions.
I think probably all three of the kids
were interested in those answers.
I know how important family time is.
So I'm gonna head back to the apartment.
Thanks again for coming.
Hopefully we catch up soon.
-Yes.
-[Lauren] Good to meet you.
-[John] Richard.
-Yes.
-Nice to meet you.
-Thanks again.
-Yeah.
-[John] You hug again?
-[Richard] Yep.
-Bye.
-Nice to meet you.
-Of course.
-Hopefully see you soon.
-Yep.
I think today went great.
But I saw Theresa
kind of beat around the bush.
I wish she was a little more confident
and proud.
"Yeah, I think John and I are solid."
I kind of wish she would've boasted
about that a little more.
And I think the kids
would've probably fed off her energy
saying like, "Oh shit, my mom's, like,
she's really sold on this guy."
So, yeah,
I didn't love that lack of enthusiasm.
What do you think?
You look really happy,
and I'm so excited for you.
Do you see yourself,
like, getting married?
I don't know.
-[Lauren] Yeah.
-Can't answer that question.
You know, you guys seen me, like, hurt and
destroyed and…
Yeah.
You know? And I don't want
you guys to see that again.
So I'm being very careful and, um…
But I also wanna take your feelings
and consideration into my decision-making.
You know, I don't want anybody
to be uncomfortable
with any situation that I'm, like, in.
So, it… You know, I want you guys
to at all times feel like you can be…
I'm not just saying this.
-You can be upfront with me.
-No, I know. Yeah.
And tell me because you are
the most important things to me
in my whole world.
So can you tell us about his age?
No. I mean, I can, but I don't want to.
Why?
Because I really feel strongly
that I want you
to get to know him like I did.
Yeah.
You know, we formed a connection
based on those deeper qualities
and, like, the more meaningful things.
And I want you guys
to also have that opportunity.
-Yeah.
-But I want that to come at a later stage.
Yeah. I just wanna make sure
you're thinking realistically.
-Like…
-I am.
The age is gonna make a big difference
when you're out of this whole experience.
[Theresa] No, I… Trust me.
It's a huge thought.
[upbeat pop music playing]
[Michael] Not telling the age
was definitely a little weird.
I would say
I think John is probably more around 35.
If John were younger than about 30,
it would definitely be
more of like a surprise to me
and definitely more of a weirder thing
just 'cause, like,
we're maybe closer to age than she is.
So that's definitely a little strange.
He seems really into her,
which I think that's a good sign
that they have great chemistry.
But I wanna protect my mom, obviously,
because she's been in hard relationships
for the past ten years.
But I do think realistically,
there's a lot of other things
that come with the age difference.
And I think time will tell
if it really will be able
to work out in the long run.
Ooh ♪
Ooh ♪
Can you handle my love? ♪
How are you feeling, ma'am?
[music fades]
Um…
[Derrick] Talk to me.
Honestly, pretty bad.
Okay.
I think…
maybe I've been a little bit,
um, overly optimistic about things.
I guess.
-Okay.
-Um…
Okay, like this whole time
I've been telling myself, I'm like,
"I'm moving because I wanna move.
I'm moving because I don't wanna be--"
Which is true.
I don't wanna be in Seattle.
-I don't wanna be there, but like…
-[microwave beeps]
I'm moving to basically be with you.
Like that is…
That is the truth of the matter.
Like, that's what I'm doing.
[Derrick] Mm-hmm.
[Pfeifer] And
I have always told myself
I will-- I will not change my life
for a man.
Which I think
my big struggle right now is like,
am I betraying myself
by giving up everything
for a relationship?
And I'm having a hard time
with my own personal
values.
Okay.
Um, I also think,
sometimes I just don't need to hear, like,
"Oh, everything's gonna be fine."
[voice breaking] Because it's not helpful.
Um,
because it's like…
I'm… I'm, like, giving up everything.
Which, like, and you're--
It's not like you're not.
But,
like, I am.
And it's like, I don't…
Like--
Like, put yourself in that position.
Like, not only leaving everybody
and everything I've worked for.
But I'm also going
against my own values to do that.
Which is not to say that I'm not going to
or that's not gonna be worth it.
But sitting here,
now, I'm like…
What the fuck am I doing?
What the fuck am I doing?
I'm sorry, that's like,
not very positive or kind, but…
No, it's real.
I want you to be honest and real.
[Pfeifer] I'm just like…
-I'm just scared.
-I understand.
I understand.
I think that, um, uncertainty,
being scared, that's normal.
And I know that that's
extremely uncomfortable for you.
And I know it's like, "Well,
Derrick, that's easy for you to say."
"You're not the one making
that sacrifice."
I get… I get all of that.
There is not, like, some word
or magic formula that I can say
to just make all that go away.
That's just gonna be an element of it.
But change is not bad always, you know.
Change is just more of like evolving.
And so you'll still have your friends.
You'll have me.
You'll have your relationship.
You'll have new friends.
You'll eventually…
Whether you change a career 25 times,
it doesn't matter.
You don't have to know
all the answers right now.
Like, I don't…
I don't wanna stress personally.
Like just being selfish.
I don't wanna be stressed out.
Like, "Oh my God,
Pfeifer's stressed about this."
I need you to be
in a peaceful state for us.
That's how we will flourish.
Like just being real. So…
[Pfeifer] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[Derrick] What?
What?
[Pfeifer mumbles]
[Derrick] Say it.
So you're saying
in order for this relationship to work,
starting off,
you need to be making this decision
from a place of peace.
Is that correct?
Okay. [sniffling]
[music intensifies]
[music fades]
I try to keep it simple ♪
But simple never gets you this ♪
Can't resist, no ♪
I thought I had forever ♪
Oh, this is beautiful.
But it's a now-or-never kiss ♪
So excited to see everyone.
Can't waste another minute
Without a leap of faith ♪
-Hi.
-Look at this.
-You guys…
-[John] Get over here.
-You guys are glowing over here.
-[John] How are you, buddy?
I've been waiting my whole life
For someone just like you ♪
And now you've proven to me… ♪
[Theresa] Hey, guys.
-Hi, honey. I miss you so much.
-I miss you.
-You look so beautiful.
-So do you.
-Hey, guys. How are you?
-What's up?
-Hi!
-What's up, buddy?
Get caught up in the madness ♪
Start dancing in the magic ♪
Yeah, anything can happen ♪
Under city lights ♪
[music fades]
Everybody looks amazing.
-You guys all look stunning.
-Can we toast everybody together?
I think no matter
what happens beyond this,
we've all grown
and we've all become better people.
So, you know, one day at a time.
Let's just keep moving forward.
Whether it's together or apart.
I know this has been a blessing.
-And I'm very appreciative.
-Together or apart, dang!
-[Libby] I agree. I love it.
-Cheers.
-Yeah.
-Cheers.
-Cheers, you guys.
-Together or apart.
-[Derrick] Better apart.
-To together.
[Natalie] Hello!
[Andrew] Whoa!
-Oh.
-Hey!
Wow!
[Natalie] Hey, hey.
[scattered applause]
-How are y'all doing?
-[all] Great.
-[Natalie] Great.
-How are you doing?
-We're great.
-It's not about us.
-It's not?
-We're already in love.
-We're married. We have a baby. You know.
-Okay.
So last time we saw you,
we dropped a little surprise.
Letting you know
that friends and family were on the way.
-I'd call that more.
-So no more surprises.
That was more of a bomb, not a surprise.
That was a bomb. [chuckles]
And just like that, this relationship
wasn't just yours anymore.
-[Andrew] Yeah.
-To say the least.
You had to open it up to opinions,
to pressure, and to judgment.
That's true.
[Natalie] And it affected you
in different ways.
Theresa.
I know when we kinda dropped that bomb,
I couldn't help
but notice some nervousness.
Um, I was horrified, scared,
and I wasn't expecting it
to happen the way it did.
Obviously, your kids are older.
-They're, I think--
-Well, I'm very protective of my kids.
-They're my kids.
-[Nick] Okay.
However, John was extremely poised
and very articulate.
And they asked him great hard questions.
And he answered them,
you know, like a baller, and… [laughs]
-That's great.
-[chuckling]
Was his age one of the questions
that your kids asked?
-Well, I was like, yeah, not now.
-Oh, you didn't tell?
No, they don't know.
[dramatic music playing]
Oh, so they never told--
-And they won't know for a while.
-[Leah] Oh.
[Theresa] Until I decide.
What's your reasoning
for not telling your kids his age?
Because there's
a gigantic double standard.
If he was my age and I was his age,
it would be such a lesser of a problem.
And so I'm going into this as, you know,
really in a difficult position
because there will be a lot of judgment.
Not on only me, but my kids probably,
their friends, our community, all of that.
And if we're being real, like, and
we wanna say, like, age doesn't matter,
then why should I have to
reveal it right now?
Why shouldn't I be able
to let them get to know him
before I say, you know,
"By the way, he's in your age range."
Like, that's gonna be awkward.
Leah, you've been pretty expressive
over there.
Because the whole point of this journey
is to let everyone's
family know how old were the people
that were dating.
That's the whole point.
-I didn't know there was a choice.
-That will come.
I mean, it doesn't have to happen
when somebody else tells me it has to.
-I decide.
-[Leah] It's gonna happen regardless.
-Yeah, of course.
-Why hide it now?
Like…
-I'm not hiding it.
-[Leah] He's 27, right?
I'm trying to be strategic
in letting my kids get to know him
as I did.
-It's interesting.
-They'll find out when they find out.
And it's nobody's choice or decision
to do that except for he and I.
I just thought we had to divulge it
at the end of the day.
I thought that was the goal.
We're not ashamed of it.
-I'm not ashamed of how old he is.
-I'm not ashamed of it.
-I just need some water.
-It's really none of your business.
[Leah] It's not my business.
It's gonna come out one way or another.
-It's none of your business. So then…
-Yeah. I understand.
No, I'm still gonna have a voice.
I understand you're coming from--
You can have your voice
that goes in your head.
-Not verbally.
-[Leah] No.
-It's the voice that's gonna be said.
-Well, I don't need to hear it.
Oh, I'm sorry. It just got said.
[dramatic sting]
All I can say is don't fucking come for me
'cause I will… [grunting]
[music fades]
All right. Let's stay respectful, guys.
We're good.
I think for clarity,
friends and family were coming
to meet the person that you committed to.
And how many of those details you include
is up to you.
[pensive music playing]
You shared space.
You shared lives. You faced judgment.
And you found ways to stay connected.
But now, it's decision time.
Tonight is your last night together.
[Natalie] Tomorrow morning,
you will wake up next to the person
you've lived a life with here.
But then, you have to say goodbye.
Because from that moment on,
you will be on your own.
[Nick] No more shared space.
No more comfort in each other's presence.
Just time to sit with your heart,
your doubts,
and your decision.
The next time you see each other,
it will be to speak your truth
and to decide,
"Do we move forward together,
or do we walk away?"
[Nick] Each of you
will make one final journey
to a mountaintop overlooking a place
where it all began.
[Natalie] Up there,
you'll stand face-to-face and ask,
do you keep those promise rings
and commit to taking this leap together?
Or do you take them off
and choose a different path, alone?
["Find Another" by Karo Moralyan
and Mia Mormino playing]
[softly] That sucks.
You've all got a lot to think about.
[voice breaking] It's just not fair.
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign… ♪
[Andrew] You're 22.
I'm 38.
[dramatic sting]
That's a big gap.
The truth is
no matter how much I doubt the age gap.
I don't doubt the way I feel
when I'm with you.
If we were to stay together,
I may regret it for the rest of my life.
I'll always protect you,
and I'll always protect your heart.
Pfeifer, I truly love you.
If I let go, will I see you again? ♪
[Theresa] It's a huge commitment
to say that this person who's 27 years
younger than me is my boyfriend.
I need you to believe
that age is just a number,
but also believe in me,
that every day I'm gonna show up
and work on this together.
I love you.
I can see myself growing with you.
You lit something inside me
that I thought was gone.
I think we both made a decision that
will impact our lives and our families,
and I just hope and pray
that it's the right one.
[Vanessa] He's in the prime
of his life right now, honestly.
And why would he give that up
for someone 20 years older than him?
Is this the part
where you break up with me?
I need the promise ring back.
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign ♪
Do I cross your mind? ♪
Don't wanna find another ♪
I'm trying to forget ♪
But if I let go, will I see you again? ♪
Can we go back in time? ♪
Would it be such a crime ♪
To look at this as a sign ♪
And try again one more time? ♪
So I stay up till the sun up ♪
I'm waiting for a sign ♪
If I let go, will I see you again? ♪