Paul C. Brunson: Red Flag (2026) s01e07 Episode Script

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I've spent most of my adult life
helping people find and keep love,
working at the forefront
of modern dating
to study how we feel about
the partners we choose.
But I know relationships have
a darker side.
How are you doing?
Lovely to meet you.
I'm meeting survivors of
toxic relationships,
hearing their stories
and reliving pivotal moments
to help reveal the red flags
abusers tried to hide.
He just made me think that
he was my only option.
I naively thought, "He's just
a bit insecure in himself."
I felt stuck in that relationship
for so long.
When you're in it, you can't see it.
You cannot see it.
I hid a lot of things away because
I didn't want people to know.
A red flag is a warning sign
and by spotting a red flag,
you not only protect your loved ones,
but you protect yourself.
I'm meeting Hannah,
who endured two years of
traumatic abuse
by her boyfriend Ben.
Ben was somebody that
I genuinely thought,
if I just loved him enough,
that I could make him
a better person.
I want to understand how Ben managed
to separate Hannah from her family,
moving her hundreds of miles
from her home.
He would say how much he loved me.
We had a great time
on the good days.
She left her entire life
in her flat,
which is what made me think
she was coming back.
I also want to learn how
Hannah's love for Ben
turned to fear as she suffered
increasingly vicious attacks.
I could see my kneecap,
but I was not crying.
This is the day that happened?
Yeah. Jeez.
Oh, my gosh.
Things got far worse than
I ever could have saw coming.
You're under arrest.
You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence if
you do not mention when questioned
something which you later rely on
in court. Are you really doing this?
BLEEP. Anything you do say may be
given in evidence. Really?
How did Hannah survive Ben's
appalling abuse,
and what were the red flags?
How could it get any worse
than this?
"You've got to let me leave."
All the time,
I just wanted him to love me.
Then I started to think
"He's gonna kill her."
There she is.
How are you? Hi!
How are you? Hi!
It's a pleasure to meet you. And you.
Can I say, my wife and I have
read all about you?
And you're also doing
my favourite thing.
We love a cup of tea.
Oh, thank you so much, Hannah.
This is what my wife and I were doing
as we were reading the articles.
And the key,
I think, lesson that
we walked away with was
how resilient you are.
I've not always been this way.
It's been hard.
I'm a mum.
I've got a little boy, like,
I need to live my life
the best I can for him.
More than anything in the world,
for him, because he deserves it.
Hannah, she was adorable.
She was a little chubby-faced,
dark hair
She was one of those kids that was
impossible to keep clean.
So this is the area where I grew up.
We're very lucky here in that
I have lots and lots of family
around here.
OK. My family home was
just over there,
and the flat that I was actually
living in in 2021,
when I met Ben,
it's just the first flat on
the corner there.
What? I didn't realise he was
so close to your family home.
Yeah. So when I got this property,
I was over the moon
because I was living still in the
family home with my little boy.
I remember moving into my first home.
Yeah. And for me,
it was a place to dream.
What were your dreams at that point?
I was very much
just determined to make such
a nice space for my little boy.
How long were you living here
before you met Ben?
I was here for four years. OK.
So I very much made a life here.
We had everything.
I mean, look at this.
What child would not want to
grow up here?
I mean, you have swings, slides.
It's an absolute dream.
But I know what's to come.
Let's go back to when
you first met Ben.
Yeah.
Who introduced you?
So me and Ben had the
same friendship group,
but we never really knew each other.
He came round to my house
and we had a good laugh.
We had a chat.
Were you attracted to him
when you first saw him? Yeah.
Yeah, I was.
So this is us doing some shopping.
And then if you just swipe
across again, on a day out.
He was going to the gym
quite a lot.
He had a car, he was driving.
Did you feel like he was
out of your league?
Yes, absolutely.
I thought he was so much
further above me.
He was great with my son as well.
Was he? Yeah, he was fabulous
with my little boy.
I was kind of like,
"How have I fallen lucky?"
How quickly did he start
staying with you?
Almost immediately.
So when you say immediately,
how quickly was that?
A week. A week? Mm-hm.
I never asked him to move in.
It was just
He was supposed to stay a night,
maybe two nights.
That didn't happen.
Red flag.
This erosion of boundaries,
where what he's doing
is he's beginning to test you
to see how far he can push
those boundaries.
I would imagine you're still
thinking, "He's great." Yep.
We had good fun.
He seemed genuinely interested
in me and my life.
It was all very, very fast.
It didn't
It didn't sit right with me.
So I know that there was
a Snapchat moment
that really changed things for you.
He'd fallen asleep
and he was snoring so loud.
I had posted on my
Snapchat story to say,
"Can't sleep because of this one
snoring like a bear."
Sent to all friends.
Was woken up early hours,
4:00 or 5:00 in the morning, by Ben.
"Get in here now."
And he said, "Who's Scott?"
"You've had a message on
Snapchat that says, 'Cool.'
"Who is that?"
I said, "One of my friends."
I put a picture,
a video of you snoring on.
All hell broke loose.
"You're cheating on me.
"You have been sleeping
with this person."
He demanded that I deleted
my Snapchat account.
Your account? And my Facebook. Yep.
So my Snapchat account was gone.
My Facebook account was gone.
In that moment, he asked you
to delete it all? Yep, gone.
And I think he'd had a nosebleed.
He had a load of blood in his hand,
and he slapped his hand full of
blood straight across my face.
Just as he did that, my little boy
was coming to see where Mummy was.
Um
And he was only a baby.
He was only
He weren't even three.
He was shouting. Just said, "Stop."
You know, you could see many
red flags in that moment.
But what stands out to me the most
was this early level of violence.
He shows no regard to you,
no regard to your child.
He ended up coming back the
next day and he was so apologetic.
I truly believed that
that was the one time,
and that he would never do that
to me again.
All right. Yeah.
But he did.
Things got far worse than I ever
could have saw coming.
You've had a good month until
you saw him change entirely.
But then he comes back
and he's apologetic.
Bring us almost into your mind.
We've had a great month,
and then all of a sudden
it was just this one thing.
And I very much just gave him
the benefit of the doubt.
And then what happened?
So he'd said that one of my
neighbours had told him
that I had people climbing through
my bedroom window,
so I told him that was
absolutely not possible,
living in an upstairs flat.
Just adamant, non-stop, adamant that
I was cheating on him in some way.
We were stood in the kitchen
at the time.
He took a knife out and he said,
"Tell me the truth."
And I said,
"I've told you the truth."
You know he's hit you previously,
so he has the capability.
I was panicking.
I phoned the police and I said,
"He's in my house. He won't go.
"I really want him to go."
"And he's flashing a knife around."
The police came and he got
into his van.
He left.
I thought,
"I've had the police here.
"He's not going to come back."
Came back.
He came back that night?
The next morning. The next morning?
Just knocked on the door -
"I'm so sorry.
"I'm so"
And he was crying his eyes out,
begging for me to just give him
another chance.
I've got some messages
from that day.
Just, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry."
That's literally all this is -
"I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry."
It's interesting, also,
he knows that - "I'm broken."
Yeah, he was broken, not me.
So in that moment, you're thinking
I kept thinking, "His mental health
is not controlled properly.
"I can support him. I can be there."
What's just happened there
is another red flag -
the cycle of abuse.
He slaps you.
Then what happens? He comes back
and apologises profusely.
He says everything's going to be
better, and things are better.
What happens again? Yep.
He gets violent again,
pulls out the knife.
And that cycle of abuse is
a never-ending loop of doom.
There's a part of me that believes
that I can fix people.
And Ben was somebody that
I genuinely thought that
if I just loved him enough,
that I could make him
a better person.
Some of the things that
he would put to me were
just the weirdest things.
Like, he didn't want me to shower.
He didn't want me to brush my teeth.
If I was clean,
people would potentially
want to come near me.
But if I wasn't clean,
nobody would want to touch me.
Oh, wow.
It was very difficult at that time
to see Hannah without Ben,
and she seemed, like,
ridiculously anxious.
Anything that he could
possibly have thought of
to accuse me of,
that's exactly what he was doing.
And then he accused me of
sleeping with my brother.
I kept cutting people off for him.
I stopped talking to my own brother
because he was a male.
You stopped talking to your brother?
My own dad, my stepdad,
my son's dad.
I had to block the males.
The red flag I see here is
he's now starting to isolate you.
And he's isolating you from all of
your loved ones, your family.
But help me to understand
why you chose
Ben over your brother.
I naively thought, "Well,
"maybe, you know, he's just
a bit insecure in himself,
"and I just need to show him that,
you know,
"I am loyal and that
he should be secure."
It was very, very intense.
Like, really quite troubling.
And I said to her,
"Look, if you aren't happy,
then call it a day."
But she was an adult
and unfortunately,
there's nothing you can do.
We decided we was going on holiday.
We needed time together
and he took me to Wales.
We ended up staying with
a member of his family.
For the first week I thought,
"Wow, what a different person."
He was not kicking off.
And then Ben just said,
"We're not going back."
You have an entire life.
My son's dad and my mum had my son.
Both sharing, looking after him.
I wanted to live with my little boy.
I was convinced that
he was just talking,
he was just saying it.
OK. I kept thinking,
"Give it two weeks.
He's going to be bored here."
She was talking about
taking her son
and I said, "Well, you can't
take him from his dad."
They'd got no place
of their own to stay.
They had not got secured jobs.
She left her entire life
in her flat,
which is what made me think
she was coming back.
You can see with him
moving you to Wales,
your only refuge is him.
The seaside is my favourite place.
But I didn't want to leave my son.
But then it became very clear that
leaving wasn't just going to be
as easy as leaving.
I felt ashamed and embarrassed,
and I didn't want to tell anyone.
I didn't want anyone to know what
I was going through.
There was an occasion when
he'd been out drinking
and taking cocaine,
he was accusing me again of
sleeping with people that
I didn't even know.
We'd gone back to the bungalow
that we were staying in,
and we'd gone into the kitchen
of the bungalow
and he got a knife out of the
drawer. Oh, my goodness.
And I just ran.
And he grabbed the front of me
and pulled me forward
..and I hit my leg.
Er, which ended up
looking a lot like that.
Oh, my goodness.
I phoned the police
and he's been arrested.
I'm thinking, in my mind,
I'm thinking, "Run, Hannah! Run!
Yeah. Were you preparing?
I was trying, but at the same time,
he was released
later the same day.
And he just instantly
just came straight back.
And it wasn't my house.
I had no place to say that
he couldn't come back.
Unfortunately, because he was
arrested with drugs on him,
the police in Wales made
the decision to raid my flat.
And I had to give my lease,
had to give my keys.
This is As you said,
this was the flat that you had
since your child was born.
How long had you not been here?
Erm, I'd not been here
for three months.
For three months?
We pulled up here. Right here?
His car was here.
We walked up here,
straight up into the flat,
packed my bedroom up
to what I could,
got my bits of clothes Ben had.
"Right, that's it. That's your two
boxes. We're going."
Why two boxes only?
He said that that was all
that would fit in the car.
Erm But there was plenty
of room in the car. Right.
It does feel like this was the
last thing that was yours. Yeah.
He knew that without this,
the only thing that you
could hold on to was him.
So this was my bedroom
and that is how it was left.
And that was the only room that
was touched. Oh, my goodness!
So every other room in that flat was
left as it was the day that I left.
But you could see where
the red flag you were facing
in that moment was
emotional torture. Yeah.
Because he's trying to force you
out of your old life, literally.
And so you're facing all
of these obstacles
so you can begin to see why you
You go back to Wales.
My flat's gone.
My sisters aren't talking to me.
Not allowed to talk to my brother.
My mum didn't know
what was going on.
Where do I go?
Where do I go?
Got nowhere else left.
When you went back to Wales,
do you believe that you loved Ben?
Too much.
WAY too much.
I kept thinking if I just
I don't know, if I can follow
his rules to an absolute tee,
it'll be all right.
Do you believe, in those moments,
that Ben loved you?
Then?
Yeah.
I think because he was
so obsessed with, like,
accusing me of cheating and things,
that I think
..I thought that he was
so in love with me
that he was scared to lose me.
You know, you can love
somebody really hard,
and it works out really,
really well for you.
And then you can love the
wrong person too hard and it
..doesn't end well.
He had gone out around my birthday.
Half past seven the next morning
he came back.
Hepushed me in the
utility room, garage
..and knocked me unconscious.
He then proceeded to go outside,
leave me unconscious inside,
and end up committing
criminal damage.
And he was arrested
for criminal damage.
You're under arrest.
Suspicion of criminal damage, OK?
You do not have to say anything,
but it may harm your defence
if you do not mention when
questioned something
you later rely on in court. I mean,
are you really doing this BLEEP?
Anything you do say may be
given in evidence. Really?
Just asking you for your rights.
Are you seriously doing this?
Stop shouting. You're under arrest.
HANNAH: My mum was called.
She drove down to Wales.
And my mum was told that
I was being abused.
What is that first interaction with
your mum like after she finds out?
She just started crying.
She was crying and I was
trying to brush it off.
Were you? Like, "It's not that bad.
I'm OK. It's not his fault.
"He don't mean to be like that."
I just said to her, "What, like
What, what are you doing?
"Why didn't you leave?"
Horrible thing to say
to your own child, isn't it?
Awful.
"Why didn't you leave?
Why don't you leave?"
Not the answer, though, is it?
Once he was released from
the police custody, he phoned me.
RECORDING: You fucking
knocked me unconscious.
You knocked me unconscious, Ben.
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry."
Is that going to stop you
doing it the next time?
At the time, one of my friends,
she'd found out about
what had happened,
and she sent me a message.
Let's see here
"What are you doing, Hannah?
"Yeah, why are you with him?
You don't deserve this.
Wow. It's your response,
though, Hannah.
You wrote, "I can't leave him.
He hasn't got anyone else."
I couldn't leave him on his own.
Wow.
You know, this is one of the
most clear examples of
a trauma bond I think
that I've ever heard. Yeah.
Which is why you keep saying,
"If I follow all of his rules,
"if I just do everything that he
says, then maybe I'll get that love."
Mm-hm. That's a trauma bond.
I was all I was looking for.
Yeah. All the time.
I just wanted him to love me.
Because he would say
He could say so much on a good day.
And he would say how much
he loved me
..but there was no showing it.
But you were hanging on
for the potential.
I'd convince myself that he was
just a broken person,
and he just needed
a little bit of help.
He was told he couldn't go back
to where we were living previous
because of his behaviour.
So they asked me to leave.
So I did.
She was supposed to
come to my house.
I'd paid for the train tickets.
She didn't arrive.
He picked her up from
the train station in Manchester.
Still stood by his side
because made me believe that
all of my family were the enemy.
So we did a little bit
of time homeless. Both of us.
Both of you? Yeah.
Erm, we spent some nights
just walking around.
Other nights, we stayed in hotels
paid for by the council.
I still stayed in contact with her.
Because by this stage, then,
I was pretty much
the only person that was
still in contact with her.
And I'd said that she could stay.
No Ben, she could stay with me
and her son on Christmas Eve.
Then she could do Christmas Day
with my grandson.
I went to my mum's house on
the lead up to Christmas 2021.
Christmas Day morning.
Opened presents with my
little boy in the morning.
I said to Mum, "What time are we
going to my sister's for dinner?"
And she said, "We're going,
but you're not coming.
"We don't want Ben bringing
the drama to your sister's door."
And in that moment, I was crushed.
I can't get away from him,
but I can't stay with him.
My world fell apart.
I took a knife out of
my mum's kitchen.
And I would never
I'd never be a danger
to anyone else.
I was Wasonly
ever a danger to myself.
But she was broken.
On Christmas Day, I had to
..hide my daughter from her own son.
We pretended that
the police had come
and put the sirens on cos they
knew he liked police cars,
so we pretended it was
a Christmas present
..and we hid his mum in the
In the dining room
where she just sobbed,
and Hannah was sectioned.
I wasn't sure that we'd ever
get her back properly.
I spent several weeks
sectioned at the hospital.
And then
..I found out that he was actually
parked outside the hospital
in the car park.
And he was watching all night
to see if I left the ward.
I felt pure dread.
But then, I suppose,
a part of relief.
The fact that he's in
the parking lot Yeah.
..you're thinking,
"He really loves me." Yeah.
And for the hospital
to release me from hospital,
I had to have somewhere to live.
So they found me a hostel.
This is the hostel.
That is my old property there
on the corner
and from my bedroom,
my view was just the trees here.
On the nighttime, we had an owl
that used to sit in the tree,
which was stunning, I loved it.
But he eventually
found out where I was.
Left me a voicemail.
That voice note, that's a scary,
scary voice note.
He's threatening some very
serious things there
because he feels like he's
losing control of you.
Nobody knew at that point then that
Ben was still in my life
and I'd become so convinced
that if anybody found out,
I would lose my son and
I'd never see him again.
I'm trying to put myself back in that
exact bedroom, when you were there.
And I can imagine that you went
through a range of emotion.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I would sit at the window
and I would listen for the owl,
but I would also look out here,
knowing that
..this was a place
that Ben would hide.
I would leave to have my son
on a Friday.
I would come back on a Sunday,
and he would be waiting
in this area somewhere,
and he would watch
my mum's car drive past
with me in it at the end,
and he would wait for Mum
to turn round and leave.
OK. Mum didn't know where we were
in the relationship.
Mum would leave.
He would immediately
be at my door waiting.
How long would he be waiting in
these woods sometimes?
He would wait anywhere up
to three, four hours in here.
What stands out to me probably
the most was this area right here,
knowing that Ben was
hiding in these woods,
sometimes for hours.
Which presents another red flag.
I mean, this is surveillance.
This is stalking.
You know, it almost feels
as if you are
You've been apprehended. Yeah.
Are you fearing for your life?
Yeah. It was escalating
more and more, like
And then it was my son's birthday,
and he was screaming at me.
He'd started heading up the drive,
and he was still just
spewing, vile, name-calling.
I turned round and said, "Listen,
you would probably be happier
"if you were just honest about
who you were," you know,
"and actually accepted that
you're not happy in life."
And with that, honestly,
the noise that he made
will probably stay with me for
the rest of my life. It was a roar.
And he rugby tackled me,
and from where I was stood
to where I landed was about
a seven foot difference.
I said to him,
"Ben, look at my leg."
And he just
Instant, within an instant
he was profusely apologising.
"I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry."
He was saying, "What has happened?
What has? How has that happened?"
I think just straight away
I went into shock.
I could see my kneecap Right.
..but I was not crying.
I managed to get myself
up off the floor,
walk up the drive and
straight through the building.
But you know, in a situation like
that, what does Ben do?
He got himself a cigarette
and just said,
"What are you
going to tell your mum?"
I split my leg,
which I do have pictures of.
So this was at first.
So this is the day that
it happened.
This is the day that it happened.
Yeah. Geez OK.
Oh, my gosh!
Erm, he'd been arrested,
but was released two hours after.
Two hours later? Yeah.
Is this his one, two, three
Third time? Yeah.
Third time arrested,
fourth time police attending.
She won't admit that she's
seeing him again,
and that's the most
frightening part.
Then I started to think
he's going to kill her,
and now I'm going to have
to keep telling myself every day
that somebody is coming today
..to tell me that she's dead
..so that when they do come
to my front door and tell me that,
that she's dead,
it won't be so much of a shock.
I felt like I was coming
towards the end.
That's when he got really bad
and said he was going to cut
the brake lines on my
older sister's car, erm,
threatened to kill my mum,
my son's dad.
Did Did you tell them? No.
I didn't tell any of them.
All I had in my head was
"You tell them now,
"you're never seeing
your son again."
I, I cannot imagine
how you deal with that.
Obviously,
I was sending myself crazy.
He demanded that I start getting
taxis to wherever he was staying.
I've ended up in an Airbnb.
I arrived outside and there's just,
like, a triangle of grass outside.
He said, "Come," you know,
"we'll go inside."
We're in the room.
He was arguing with me
and then pushed me.
I'd landed just in front
of the radiator.
He's walking towards me
and he stood in front of me
..and he put the kettle on.
And he stood in front of me
and pulled his pants down.
And he said, "Suck it."
And I said, "Are you serious?"
I said, "You just thrown me around.
I'm in an absolute state."
I said, "Why would I
want to do that?"
I said, "No, I don't want to.
And he walked back towards me.
And he said
"That's fine,
but if you don't do it,
"I'm gonna pour this kettle
of boiling water over your face,
"and I'll disfigure you for life."
Was that the lowest point in
your relationship with Ben?
I'd like to say yes,
but unfortunately not.
He was living in the end property.
And this is the place that Ben
took a boiling kettle.
This isn't somewhere that
I've been back to.
This your first time back?
I think being able
to come back here,
it's definitely something that
I needed to do.
But it is difficult.
I can put myself now back
inside there.
But I'm not there.
No. I'm not in that.
I'm out of the other side.
I think what's so hard about
memories that are difficult
is that unless you can assign some
type of lesson or some type
of way that you have
recovered from it, right,
they stay so hurtful.
So if there is a lesson from this
building or this period in your life,
what was it?
Realising that this was
not what I deserved.
I shouldn't have been here. Right.
My friends thought I was dead.
I disappeared.
I had friends that googled my name
to see whether I had passed away.
Goodness Goodness.
I could feel Hannah's hesitation
and reluctance to walk up here.
And what was really interesting
is that once we got
right in front of the home,
she then just locked in on the home.
It was almost as if she
was staring it down,
staring down the evil
that was in that place.
I wasn't aware that any
of this was going on.
Most frightening part is that
I'll be on the news,
and I'll be one of
those mums that
..that should have known
and did nothing.
But there's nothing I CAN do.
He ended up being asked to leave.
One of the blokes that was living
downstairs said to Ben,
"You can stay at my flat with me."
And I was asked to go.
I got there,
his friend went to bed.
And he said, "You've just slept
with him in that bathroom."
And he put his arm around me, erm
..around my throat.
And he was pulling so tight,
like, tighter and tighter
round my throat.
And I was thinking,
"I'm passing out here."
And he moved his arm slightly
and I bit as hard as I could, erm,
so that he let go of me, and
SHE INHALES SHARPLY
And he turned me around,
pushed me forward
over the kitchen worktop
..and
..pulled my pants down
..and proceeded to rape me.
I thought,
"I'll just be able to get away.
"I'll just be able to get away now."
I thought couldn't get
any worse than this.
He's got to let me leave.
Surely, he's got to let me leave.
He doesn't love me.
Hannah, at this point, you
You must be
Oh, I was SO done.
Then he left me alone for
a good few days.
No contact whatsoever,
and I thought that was it.
And then he phoned.
I answered the phone and I said,
"I can't be with you any more."
He said, "Yeah. No worries, Hannah.
"But I just need to tell you,
I'm five minutes from Jack's school.
"I'm going to stab him to death."
I can't ring and say anything.
He won't stop ringing
my phone, cos
I didn't know what was going
OK, I wanted to ring the police.
I couldn't ring the police cos he
will not stop ringing my phone.
I can't ring anybody.
So I went on the live chat
and I sent a message
and I said, "I am going through
severe domestic abuse.
"I don't know what to do,
but I know that I need help."
You should think about how strong
you were in that moment
because you had had enough.
And the response,
she replied back and said,
"The police are on the way.
They're looking for him."
He was arrested.
He was remanded into custody.
Hannah had to wait over
a year from Ben's arrest for him
to face trial at
Manchester Crown Court.
I want to understand what it felt
like to face him again.
You know what I've been most
shocked with in talking to
so many survivors is how
challenging this process is.
It's very, very difficult.
Somebody wants to question
everything that you are saying.
And it was a five-week trial.
And mentally I did not feel
strong enough. I really didn't.
I felt like I was going to go
in there and they were
going to just tear me apart.
I worried for most of the
time that it was going on,
that she was going to end up
back in hospital.
I was really concerned that
that was where we were headed.
Jury went out to consider
their verdict.
They came back and
he was found guilty.
He was found guilty of
two counts of rape OK.
..coercive controlling behaviour,
non-fatal strangulation
and grievous bodily harm.
Goodness, OK.
And he was given a sentence on
Valentine's Day 2025
of 18 years, with three years'
extended licence.
In that building there. Wow.
When you heard that sentence,
how did you feel?
I felt like every bone in my body
were just nonexistent.
I turned to jelly.
I was, like, liquid on the floor.
But I would say joy,
and I think more than anything,
the relief that I heard
come from my mum.
This is the biggest smile
I've seen from you,
is right here in this spot.
I feel like I'm beaming
with pride, really.
Erm, I do, I do, yeah.
There is one thing that I need,
desperately need to say,
and that is I was a person
that always asked the question
of "why didn't you leave?
Why didn't you just walk away?"
And now I despise myself
for asking that question of people
because how could you?
I'm speechless.
I'd like people to,
even when it's really hard
..just leave one avenue open for
For them to have a way back.
She's a tiny bit bent,
tiny bit broken, but she's alive.
I'm curious.
What's the relationship like with
your mother and your family today?
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Probably far better than it ever
was before, to be honest.
Yes, yes. And how is your son?
He's great. Absolutely brilliant.
He's so funny.
What I've been left with
from this story is one of
the most extraordinary
examples of resilience
that I think I've ever heard.
You know, Ben did everything,
EVERYTHING in his power
to break Hannah.
She almost took her life.
She almost died.
But you know what's so interesting
to me is that this is actually
a story about a mother's love.
Hannah's love for her son,
Hannah's mother's love for her -
that's ultimately what saved them.
Can Can I toast you out
with some tea?
Yeah.
Let me get your cup of tea.
Here you go. Thank you.
We have to end where we started.
Of course. Chin chin.
Chin chin.
It's a little bitless than room
temperature right now, isn't it?
Yeah, but it's still
all right, though.
Yeah. It's still OK.
No, it's still OK.