60 Minutes (1968) s45e02 Episode Script

If you're concerned about the decline of American economic power and the rise of China then there's no better case study than Huawei.
Chances are you've never heard of this Chinese technology giant.
But in the space of 25 years it's become the largest manufacturer of telecommunications.
Equipment in the world.
Everything from Smartphones to switchers and routers that form the backbone of the global communications network.
It's an industry the US invented and once dominated but no more.
Now Huawei is aggressively pursuing a foothold in the United States hoping to build a next generation of digital networks here.
It's prompted an outcry in Washington and a year long investigation.
By the House Intelligence Committee.
That's raised concerns about national security Chinese espionage.
And Huawei's murky connections to the Chinese Government.
Huawei's world headquarters is located on this sprawling Googlesque campus in Shenzhen.
Not far from Hong Kong.
China's first international conglomerate is a private company ostensively owned by its 140000.
Employees.
But exactly how that works and other details of corporate governance are closely held secrets.
What we do know is that Huawei is now the world leader.
In designing and building fourth generation communication networks know as calls data and high definition video.
It's innovative low cost systems have already captured markets in Africa Latin America and Europe.
Now with Huawei eyeing potential customers in the US congressional leaders and the national security establishment.
Are doing everything they can to prevent it from happening.
Do we trust the Chinese if I were an American company today and and I'll tell you this as the chairman of the House Permanent Select committee on Intelligence.
And you were looking at Huawei I would find another vendor if you care about your intellectual property.
If you care about your consumers' privacy and you care about the national security of the United States of America.
Republican congressman Mike Rogers and the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee Dutch Ruppersberger believe that letting it Chinese company.
Build and maintain critical communication infrastructure here would be a serious mistake.
One of the main reasons we're having this investigation.
Is to educate the citizens and business of United States of America and the telecommunications world.
Once you get the camel's nose in the tent you can go anywhere.
Their overriding concern is this the Chinese Government could exploit Huawei's presence on US networks.
To intercept high level communications.
Gather intelligence wage cyber war.
and shut down or disrupt critical services in the times of national emergency.
This is a strategic industry and it's like aircraft or space launch.
Or computers.
IT it's a strategic industry in the sense that.
An opponent can gain serious advantage.
Can gain serious benefit from being able to exploit.
The telecommunications network.
Jim Lewis is followed Huawei's explosive growth for years from the State Department and the Commerce Department.
Where his job was to identify foreign technologies that might pose a threat to national security.
How did they get so big and so cheap so quickly? Two answers first.
uhmm steady extensive support from the Chinese Government if you are willing to funnel hundreds of millions maybe even billions of dollars to a company.
They're going to be able to grow.
The second reason is on industrial espionage and Huawei was famous in their developing years for taking other people's technology, You mean steal it I guess technically yes it would be theft.
Cisco accused Huawei of copying one of its network routers right down to the design flaws and typos in the manual.
And Motorola alleged that Huawei recruited its employees to steal company secrets.
Both cases were settled out of court.
But the Pentagon and the Director of National Intelligence.
Have identified Chinese actors as the world's most active.
And persistent perpetrators of economic espionage.
Huawei is Huawei.
Huawei is not China.
Bill Plummer is the American face of Huawei.
The company's US vice president of external relations and the only executive the home office in Shenzhen with let us speak to.
We met him in Huawei's North American headquarters in Plano Texas.
We have the responsibility to clean up ten years of misinformation and innuendo.
What's that the information and innuendo? The suggestion that accompanied by virtue of its heritage or flag of headquarters is somehow more vulnerable.
Than any other company to.
Some sort of mischief.
Plummer told us that Huawei is just another multi national corporations doing business in the United States no different than Siemens Samsung or Hundai.
This room is a clean room he says Huawei buys six billion dollars in components from American suppliers every year.
And indirectly employs 35000 Americans.
And he says that the latest Telecom gear Huawei hopes to sell in the US poses no threat.
One National Security expert said.
That you've built a network like this in another country you basically have the keys to intercepting their communications.
Is that true statement? And part of that might be a little bit fantastical.
But you know Huawei is a business.
In the business.
Of doing business.
markets 70% of our business outside of China.
Huawei is not going to jeopardize its commercial success for any government period.
What's the relationship between Huawei and the Chinese Government.
We have a Beijing office.
So we know we're regulated industry the same as we are here you need to be able to interface with government.
So your saying the Chinese Government has no influence over Huawei.
Were another business of doing business in China.
If you look at Huawei it looks like just a big international company with an American face.
Yup.
And that's the intent.
Until last spring Chris Johnson was the CIA's top analyst on China.
And he's briefed the last three presidents on what's been happening behind the scenes in Beijing.
He tells a different story than Huawei's Bill Plummer.
The problem I think is really it boils down to an issue of will the companies take some steps to make themselves you know more transparent about their operations and what their ultimate goal is especially this relationship with the Chinese Government with a Chinese Communist Party.
And with the People's Liberation Army.
Johnson says the military is always played a role in Chinese telecommunications.
And that Huawei's reclusive CEO served as an army major in telecommunications.
Research before he retired in founded Huawei.
Supposedly with a few thousand dollars in savings and no help from the Chinese Government.
What can you tell me about the guy that runs this company Ren Zhengfei yeh he's a very mysterious figure.
And you know there really isn't that much known about him is he ever given an interview not that I'm aware.
Of course it does and generate a lot of these concerns about why won't he get an interview why won't he say something about you know his role in the company or his philosophy for how the company operates.
Unlike western companies that are usually regulated and scrutinized.
About the only entity privy to the inner workings of Huawei is a Communist Party committee which has offices inside the company's Headquarters.
you know at the end of the day the Communist Party controls the entire economy they ultimately decide who the winners and losers are.
The ultimate leverage that they have over these type of companies is that they can you know launch a corruption investigation against the chairman for example.
If the Chinese Government told Huawei that they wanted them to spy on.
US telecommunications system and extract information.
Could Huawei say no? That would be very difficult for him given the nature of that system.
It's a different system than ours I'm here companies are used to.
You know throwing their weight around and telling the government what to do.
In China a company is a Chia Pet, the state tells them what to do and they do it.
There's no hard evidence that that's happened with Huawei but the Obama administration has been unwilling to take the risk.
Two years ago when it appeared that Huawei might land its first big American deal.
A 5 billion dollar contract to build Sprint's new 4 G wireless network.
The US government stepped in.
You had the Secretary of Commerce.
call the CEO of Sprint and lay out the US concerns say that the US it was really worried about Huawei and they would be a lot happier if Sprint didn't do the deal and Sprint said Ok and Sprint said okay.
Since then Huawei has blanketed US Airways with commercials.
And hired an army of lobbyists and public relations firms to help them get a foothold into the world's largest Telecom market.
Huawei, they're determined there and for the long haul.
The line that most people think about is Mao had a strategy called "win the countryside, surround the cities and in the cities will fall".
And Huawei seems to be following.
That Maoist strategy.
In the last couple of years Huawei has managed to install and maintain a handful of networks in the US rural markets.
Including a vast squadron of southwestern Kansas.
Craig Mock is the president and general manager in the United Wireless.
Based in the historic cowboy down the Dodge City.
We're trying to reach out as far as we can into rural areas.
Mock told us the new Huawei network delivers some of the fastest Internet speeds in the country.
But last spring after the deal have been signed with Huawei, Mock received an unwelcome visit from two federal agents who were they.
Intelligence people.
Not gonna say.
Why did they come out here.
I think they would have preferred that we body equipment from somebody else what was your reaction we upset that they came out I was not pleased.
Because.
Because I saw as interference in our operations.
If we are not able to buy the very best equipment and deployed it an efficient manner.
Then everybody suffers.
Were there any American companies that bid on this? I don't know of any American companies that make this equipment.
About the only real American competitors that Huawei has left is Cisco.
Which is still a worldwide player but doesn't produce all the equipment necessary to construct a 4 G network.
The only companies that do were all foreign, Huawei Ericsson which is Swedish in the French company Alcatel Lucent.
That's where we ended up we don't depend entirely on foreign suppliers.
Three European two Chinese.
No Americans United States used to dominate this field.
Yes it's true you know I guess we were sleep with the switch.
What happened? Some of it was just bad planning at company level some of it was a lack of attention by the government I mean we would not have let the space industry go out of business we would not say We will depend on foreign companies to launch our satellites.
But we didn't do that for Telecom.
Concerned and suspicious of what it calls continued Chinese penetration of US telecommunications.
The House Intelligence Committee called Huawei executive Charles Ding to answer questions about the company's corporate structure ownership finances and management.
The committee seemed to get no where.
The committee has been disappointed that the companies provided little actual evidence to ameliorate the committee's concerns.
Huawei's Bill Plummer says the company bears some of the responsibility for the lack of communication.
You're right that.
Over the ten years of explosive growth we were.
Not as good at communicating about ourselves as we could or should have been.
But over the last couple of years we've really stepped that up but we you want to know more about us we're an open book.
Really? Yeah.
Has Mr.
Ren ever given an interview? Mr.
Ren has not terribly well known for his, his his getting out the front of the media.
We requested interviews various points along the way with company officials both in China and here.
And we got their most important spokesman and lobbyist here in the United States but it's not like.
They swung open the doors and said "you know we're an open book" Well I think that you are allowed our camera crews in.
To your facilities in Shenzhen there was a big banners saying Welcome Sixty Minutes but we weren't allowed to talk to anybody well I think, to we speak to anybody.
The goal of the visit to Shenzhen was to give a really rich and visual.
Impression of the company it is a company that has experienced.
A history of not.
Fully balanced treatment by the media.
And that's created a sense of wariness.
Huawei's not going to like the treatment it receives from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence any better.
Its final report is due tomorrow.
Have you bought a pair of glasses lately bet your eyes popped when you saw the price tag.
If you don't go to places like Wal-Mart or Costco you could easily be spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a pair that costs 30 dollars 10 years ago.
Talk about sticker shock.
And it's not as though things have changed that much they're still made of a couple of pieces of plastic or wire some screws and glass.
Why should a pair of glasses cost more than an iPad.
Well one answer is because one company controls a big.
Chunk of the business.
Never has there been so much choice.
Ray Bans.
Oakleys.
glasses for running and skiing.
And even reading.
A Staggering variety of colors and designers.
You'd think the competition would force the prices down.
Wow, look at that.
One reason it hasn't is a little known but very big Italian company called Luxottica.
If you own a nice pair of specs or shades they're probably theirs.
Luxottica is the biggest eyewear company on earth.
It shuns publicity.
But CEO Andrea Guerra invited us in for a look.
And it was eye opening.
Do you have any idea how many people in the world are wearing your glasses right now? At least half a billion are wearing our glasses now.
Luxottica started here as a small tool shop in Agordo.
a dot of a town in the Italian Alps, When frames were still made of mountain goat horns.
This was the factory in 1961, This is what it looks like today.
Last year Luxottica made some 65 million pairs of sunglasses an optical frames.
They don't make prescription lenses.
We saw mountains and mountains of glasses in boxes headed to China.
India.
Brazil.
And above all to the US.
But they're very expensive.
They can be.
Very expensive.
They can.
But this is one of the very few objects that are 100% functional.
100% asthetical.
And they need to fit your face for fifteen hours a day.
Not easy and there's a lot of work behind them.
Luxottica's product manager Isabella Sola.
Explained that the company revolutionized.
How we see glasses.
You think I look cool.
Yes I think so.
I think I look cool too.
It wasn't that long ago that glasses were uncool.
You only wore them if you absolutely had to.
I can remember not that many years ago my mother telling me that men will never ask me out if I wear my glasses.
I was to go blind.
if wanted dates.
But Luxottica took this medical device.
And turned it into high fashion.
By making deals to conceive and create high quality stylish specks for nearly every brand and label you can think of.
We've Prada, We've Chanel, We've Dolce Gabbana we have Versache, We have Burberry, we have Ralph Lauren.
We have Tiffany we have Bulgary.
They're not even called glasses any more, they're Eyewear.
Do people really wear this yet once glasses became face jewelry.
Luxottica could charge a hefty markup.
But you know something I know that that there are some.
Less expensive glasses that look very similar to the very expensive.
For example this is this is your Vogue line which is not that expensive, and this is Coach.
Which is much more expensive.
If two women walked down the street with these on.
Yes they almost look the same, almost look that is almost.
It's not the same.
Not the same because of details on the frames like a little Chanel C's.
Polo ponies.
Or Tiffany blue.
Luxottica wouldn't tell us their marker with glasses like these can sell for up to 20x what they cost to make.
And all the classes are designed by Luxottica.
So you design thousands of pairs of glasses, That's what we do, Yes, where does Tiffany come into it.
Tiffany comes in at every stage basically.
The fashion houses send in sketches of their new collections as inspiration.
And down on the factory floor you can see the work that goes into differentiating the brands.
Clean plastic temples go through painting machine and come out Versace.
Stones are inserted one by one into the Dolce Gabbana.
And leather is carefully threaded for that "Chanel bag" look.
If People begin to know that Chanel glasses.
Were designed by Luxottica.
Would it change the way they think about Chanel glasses.
You know that would be totally wrong.
That would be crazy.
But why isn't the Luxottica name.
A brand name are you in anyway hiding it.
Hiding it? Yeah.
Not at all we're Listed on the New York Stock Exchange where Luxottica shares are soaring.
The company raked in 8 billion dollars last year but their best seller wasn't a fancy fashion house label.
It was a brand they outright own Ray Ban.
Originally made by Bosch and long for the US army since JFK nearly every president has worn them.
Not to mention Tom Cruise in Risky Business .
.
And top gun.
But the brand was poorly managed cheapened, and eventually put up for sale.
The Italians bought it in 1999.
And had a strategy to turn things around.
We stopped selling sunglasses up from Ray Ban for more or less a year.
When you bought it you could buy them for I don't even know how little money , 29 dollars at the drugstore at a gas station.
And you took them off the market.
We refurbished everything.
And made them upscale.
Today those 29 dollar payers can cost a 150.
And more.
And Ray Ban is the top selling sunglass brand in the world.
When Americans go to buy these glasses I'll bet.
99%.
Think they're buying an American brand "It is an American brand what's wrong with it.
" I mean it's an American brand owned by Italians.
I think the world is this.
It is the world and we don't realize it that's the thing.
Before I started work on this story I'd never heard the Luxottica Yeah.
Which is all the more surprising since Luxottica not only bought Ray Ban.
They also bought LensCrafters.
The largest eyewear retail chain in North America.
So now they make em and they sell em.
It's great for business but is it great for the consumer.
I asked LensCrafters president Mark Weical how many Luxottica.
Brands do you sell here? We probably have a few bands that aren't Luxottica.
Mostly Luxottica, yeah.
So since Luxottica owns you.
Does the consumer get a break on glasses made by them and LensCrafters.
What that customer gets at LensCrafters is a variety of services and products including this broad assortment.
Frame, Mark you're not answering my question I'm asking if if you charge less for frames made by Luxottica since you're the same company.
I think every competitor every retail optical brand determines what their price is.
From whatever their brands are.
That's a No.
Customers do not get a break at LensCrafters the average cost for a pair of frames and lenses is about mall for other glasses.
But Luxottica doesn't only own on the top eyewear chain in the country it owns another large chain Pearl Vision.
And Oliver Peoples and several boutique chains.
And it runs Target Optical.
And Sears Optical.
We're not done Luxottica also owns Sunglass Hut the largest sunglass chain in the world.
So is there a free market in eyewear? No, I don't think there really is.
I think one company has.
Excessive dominance the market.
Smart money.
com columnist Bret Arens says "the appearance of variety is an optical illusion".
The reality is it's like you know it's like pro wrestling competition in its actually fake competition.
Consider what happened to Oakley.
The world famous maker of the advanced sports Eyewear.
Oakley was a big competitor and they had a fight with Luxottica And Luxottica basically said we're dropping you from our stores.
And they refused to sell their glasses.
It was a dispute about pricing.
And they dropped Oakley from the stores and Oakley stock price collapsed.
How is Oakley going to reach the consumer if they can't get their sunglasses.
In Sunglass Hut?.
There were some issues between the two companies.
In at the beginning of the 2000s.
But both of them understood that it was better to go along.
Better to let you buy them.
I wouldn't say this.
We marriaged with Oakley in 2007.
Bought Oakley.
They tried to compete and they lost and then you bought them.
I understand your theory but they understood that life was back to together.
So now Luxottica owns the two top premiums on last brands in the world Ray Ban and Oakley.
But Luxottica points out there are other players.
Whose your biggest competitor in the United States.
You could say Wal-Mart.
Also Costco.
And emerging online companies like Warby Parker.
But other competitors told us Luxottica has them in a chokehold.
If you make glasses you wanna be and their stores.
And if they have stores you wanna sell Ray Bans.
So Luxottica can set the prices as high as it wants.
Luxottica is .
what's called a price maker.
Which means essentially you can set prices and other people will follow in its wake.
Which he says is why glasses in general costs so much even at your local opticians.
The whole point of a luxury brand is to persuade people to pay.
200 dollars for a product that cost 30 dollars to make.
But let me show you something.
Why why is it any different than my shoe.
Well to some extent There's actually a lot of comparisons.
The difference is that the entire shoe industry isn't made by one company and the same company doesn't own all the shoe stores.
You'd think well surely insurance companies covering vision would complain.
But guess what it Luxottica also owns the nation's second largest vision care plan IMed.
Covering eye exams and glasses.
What don't you own? A lot of things.
Not really Why not combine everything under one name? A lot of things -- not really -- you seem to really why not combine everything under one name? I think people love diversity.
People love to have different brands.
People love to have different experiences.
It's an illusion of choice.
If you're all along by the same company.
I think this is totally wrong.
The question is what kind of choice consumer has.
It's not the question of how many you own.
How does the consumer benefit from all of this? Your prices are still high.
If you go to a shoe company would just say that their prices are high? You're trying to tell me it's worth all that money.
Everything it's worth what people are ready to pay.
And you know what? He's right.
It seems people are ready to pay a lot.
I bet they cost a fortune.
They're not too expensive.
They cost almost 400 dollars.
With prescription lenses the price could jump to 600.
Or more.
Like so many musicians before him the singer songwriter named Rodriguez came from nowhere.
He was born poor in Detroit.
Spent his life poor in Detroit.
In the late sixties he cut a couple of records.
They got great reviews but went no where.
What he didn't know, what no one in America knew -- was that way around the world in South Africa, he was more popular than Elvis or The Beatles.
He had never been there.
No one there knew anything about him.
Even when word spread that he had died, his records continued to sell.
Then, four years ago a young Swedish filmmaker heard about Rodriguez, decided to shoot a documentary about him.
The film now captivating audiences across the country is being talked about as a possible candidate for an Academy Award.
It's released by Sony Pictures Classics and called "Searching for Sugarman.
" The film shows Rodriguez's old neighborhood in downtown Detroit.
In the smoky bar where back in the late sixties he was discovered by Dennis Coffee a legendary Motown producer.
We thought he was like the inner city polish you know putting his poems to music of what he saw.
And it was definitely a very gritty look at what he saw on the streets of Detroit.
The only writer that that I had heard of of that time period was maybe Bob Dylan that was writing that well.
Coffee co-produced his first album, Cold Fact.
Critics liked it, but it bombed.
Steve Roland were responsible for his second.
It did no better.
Nobody in America had even heard of it.
Nobody.
Who was even interested in listening to it.
How can that be? And how could it be that no one in America knew that Rodriguez had become an icon in South Africa? Steve Segmen owns a record store in Capetown.
To many of us South Africans he was the soundtrack to our lives.
If you walked into random white liberal middle class household that had a turntable and a pile of pop records, you always see Cold Fake by Rodriguez.
To us it was one of the most famous records of all time.
It was the 1970s, and under apartheid political repression was at its height.
Rodriguez's lyrics resonated with people who had it with the systems.
We didn't know what the word anti-establishment was until it cropped up in a Rodriguez song.
And then we found out it's okay to protest against this society to be angry with your society.
South Africans were buying half a million of his records center were astonished to learn that no one else in the world had ever heard of him.
He was the ultimate enigma.
And then we found out that he committed suicide.
He set himself alight on stage and burned to death in front of the audience.
It was probably the most grotesque suicide in rock history.
There was no proof.
So record store owner Segman and his friends started investigating.
25 years after hearing those records.
They spotted the word Dearborn in one of his songs.
Dearborn is near Detroit.
And as the film shows, that's where they found Rodriguez's house.
And there he was, very much alive.
His neighbors knew him as an odd character who walked around with a guitar.
He was just wandering spirit around around the city.
You know Detroit got its share of burned out desolate areas you know.
I would I would occasionally see him.
I thought he was just I.
Just not much more than -- kind of a homeless person.
But he wasn't homeless.
He was the son of an immigrant worker from Mexico.
He's lived in this house with the wood burning stove for forty years.
And all this time he'd been working as a day labor.
Demolition, roofing, heavy construction.
He also managed to get a degree in philosophy.
Rodriguez didn't know his records have been selling like wildfire in South Africa.
He'd never seen a penny.
And then in 1998, his fans invited him to tour South Africa.
He and his three daughters had no idea limos would be waiting for them at the airport.
Reagan is his youngest daughter.
I only assumed the limousines were for some dignitary.
Or celebrity.
Someone that we should stay out of the way of.
But instead they were for my father.
Reagan said she expected twenty maybe thirty people to show up at his concert.
There were 5000.
And when Rodriguez stepped out onto the stage they wouldn't let him start singing.
Not for ten minutes.
For them to see him when they thought he had died, it was like they had a chance to see some type of resurrection.
The Beatles and the Stones had played to crazed houses too, but to these people, Rodriguez was like Lazarus.
He had risen from the dead.
The concert wasn't just a success.
It was a miracle.
Looking out in the crowd.
People are singing.
Every note, every song, every word.
In South Africa Rodriguez finally got the adulation he'd never received at home.
But when he got home to Detroit, it was as if none of it had ever happened.
He went back to doing what he'd been doing all his life.
When we met him in September he was unlike any rock star we'd ever met - humble, unassuming, OK with looking for a living.
When when both of your records bombed commercially how shaken were you? Oh I was just too disappointed to be disappointed.
People in South Africa said that your music was the sound track of their youth.
Oh yeah, well.
That was, obviously, they picked up on my stuff.
They picked up on your stuff it's a lot more than that.
Go ahead.
I'm listening.
I mean that's a remarkable thing to say that your music was the soundtrack of their youth.
It's quite an honor that they picked my stuff up, yeah.
And what about all those years of back breaking labor? Was that hard on you? Well physically it's hard, but there's no shame in hard work.
You say there is no shame in hard worker.
I think you also said there's no shame in being poor.
That's right and poor doesn't mean dirty and poor doesn't mean stupid, and poor does not mean mean.
Poverty.
And dignity.
That was the end of this story except it wasn't.
Another twist of fate was coming his way.
First time Swedish filmmaker Malek Binjaloo was traveling around the world looking for a story to film when he got to CapeTown he heard about Rodriguez.
This might be one of the best stories I ever heard.
It was like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty or something like that.
I had never heard a story in my life that was so close to one of those classic fairy tales, and had such a wonderful sound track too.
I just fell in love with the story.
There is love and then there's money.
Malek didn't have much of the latter.
But that wasn't going to stop him.
I used this phone, this iPhone, and bought this one dollar app and it looked almost the same.
Not exactly, but good enough.
You shot a film with that.
Yes.
He's been edited the film himself.
Composed the soundtrack himself.
Drew the animation himself and then after four years he gave up.
I was 90% finished I I realized I can't continue because I need food.
My clothes had like holes both the arms.
And I couldn't afford to buy new ones.
I needed work.
While you were making a film about a poor man.
I became one myself, yeah.
I did, that's true.
Eventually he found producers who submitted his unfinished film for the Sundance Film Festival in Utah.
They not only accepted it, they decided to open the festival with it.
Since hitting the theaters.
It has become something of a phenomenon.
And Rodriguez has been resurrected once again.
One of his first miraculous appearances - David Letterman show.
Now a sold out tour across America.
Here he is at the high line ballroom in New York city.
It was as if he'd never left the stage.
Is anybody here from Detroit? My deepest condolences.
He didn't mean it of course.
And his real homecoming happened at the kind of Detroit joint which was in his genes.
You're very inspiring.
Thank you.
What's your name? Charlie.
We're really excited to see you.
Awesome to meet you man.
Really.
And he'd been in their midst all the time.
But it took forty years for them to discover who he really was.
Rodriguez is seventy now and needs a little help walking.
He can barely see.
The world can see and hear him today as the great songwriter he's always been.
But there's still one abiding mystery.
Why do you think it's taken forty years? Well I.
I just wasn't meant to be so lucky then.
You kno, I think maybe that's it.
When you left here before the film was made, you were Rodriguez living in downtown Detroit.
Now you're Rodriguez superstar.
Has a ring to it.
Rodriguez superstar.
That's nice of you to say that.
It's superlative to use, but we're having a good year of course.
A good year, and at last some money.
He's a giving person.
With money.
He's not a selfish person.
And in fact.
I think it could benefit him in a way of just being able to give it a way.
That alone will make him feel so good.
You don't think he's going to go out there and buy a Ferrari.
I think, if anything, I hope he'll get a new pair of glasses.