Marvel Studios: Assembled (2021) s01e04 Episode Script

The Making of Black Widow

All right, clear it. Clear lights, guys.
For the moment. There's a camera test.
- MAN: Clear.
- MAN 2: Clear.
CREW MEMBER: Slate it.
Slate it, Black Widow camera test.
INTERVIEWER: Do you see yourself
Because the Marvel Cinematic Universe
will expand.
There's no question about that.
Your character is set up.
Would you follow her
and do break-offs, other sequels?
I would love to.
I would love to take this character
in every different direction.
She certainly encounters her fair share
of the Marvel Universe,
and it's nice to be able to
play a female, you know,
superheroine, who has a past,
and I think has a real foundation
for all different kinds of spin-offs
or interactions with other characters.
The length is okay.
We may have to scale down.
We may have to scale it just by length
to remain dexterous.
The part that appealed to me most
about her is her dedication
and just her intelligence.
You need smart people
in a movie like this.
There's too much up for grabs.
There's too many things that change,
you need somebody
who's gonna be
a steward of their character.
I've never been able to return
to a character before, so,
in a way, putting on the suit is like
a old familiar friend.
It's really so audience-driven,
exactly what people want to see,
what characters they respond to.
I really can't think of
any other opportunity
to grow with the character as I have.
There is a two-year period between
Civil War and Infinity War.
There's a lot to explore there.
There were many different
dramatic directions that we could go.
But her past has to come back
to haunt her.
What's very exciting about the genre
is that it's really fan-driven.
It's almost like you're playing
"Choose Your Own Adventure."
And the fans are kind of navigating
through this universe
and sort of demanding of the studio,
what they wanna see.
Black Widow, shooting right now in London.
They flew overnight
and got here this morning.
FEMALE HOST: Scarlett,
you've played Natasha through seven films
over the last ten years.
What are you excited for fans to discover
about Natasha this go-around?
As a film fan, I look at, uh, uh,
how do you take these iconic characters
and humanize them even more.
And Scarlett has humanized Natasha
through the course of ten years
worth of movies for us.
But in this one, it really goes further
by introducing this family unit.
I think about Indiana Jones and his
great entrance in Raiders of the Lost Ark,
and Indy was this enigmatic figure,
and in The Last Crusade you meet his dad.
And you see his dad treating him
just like a dad treats any kid,
and you're like, "That's Indiana Jones,
you can't talk to him that way."
Likewise, the way that Natasha feels
and suddenly becomes this little kid,
I think it's very funny, very relatable,
and very unique
to what we've seen
the circumstances of Widow in before.
FAVREAU: Scarlett really wanted to
make the most of it.
And she assured me that she would work
as hard as she needed to,
to do her stunts and learn all that stuff.
And she spent hours and hours
and hours for months.
By far, the most dedicated actor
when it came to the stunt work
and the physical work.
Giving away the secrets here.
FAVREAU: The fight choreography,
we combined a lot of
different fighting styles.
And she was game for learning it all.
And the biggest one was lucha libre
which seemed silly to me
when they had first mentioned it,
but when you see the acrobatic moves,
and the swinging around,
and the flips and the turns
and the holds
When you see a woman doing it
in the Black Widow costume,
it has a much different effect.
There's a freshness to it,
and it felt right
when you saw it choreographed properly.
So you really believe
that as she's moving through
this hallway full of these guards
that she's able to do her flips
turns and grabs.
It was pretty inspired.
- Really tough.
- [LAUGHS] Yeah.
It's ten years,
and we're really kickin' ass.
Training in general,
I feel like these ten years,
I've just been kind of working up
to this point,
I felt really capable, which is great.
When I first got the role, I remember
I went to go and meet Kevin Feige.
And I was a little bit anxious
about how much you have to do.
Like, I don't know
what's involved in these films,
and every single time I've seen one,
there are these essential athlete actors
just running through the screen
all the time.
And I didn't know if that was required
or enforced or whatever.
And so I asked him, I was like,
"What's the deal, like, do you guys
make me into what I need to be?"
He goes, "No, it's totally up to you."
And so with that,
I kind of felt nicely relaxed
because my favorite thing is
getting in there and doing stunts.
From the moment I could,
I went to the warehouse.
All these amazing stunties were just there
to teach you any one of their crafts.
- Ready?
- Yep.
I found that fascinating. And, yeah,
I tried to do as much as I could.
WEISZ: James, the stunt coordinator,
makes it a lot of fun.
He would just say, "Just have fun."
You're about to do something
incredibly violent and vicious.
But he'd just say, "Have fun."
The stunt person is like a dance partner.
They just make you look good.
This was the hardest thing I've ever done.
And I am not at all like a Tom Cruise
about this stuff, where I'm like,
"I do all my own stunts."
I do not do any of my own stunts
and I do not want to.
Put the guy in. He does it better than me.
Please, I will go sit and hang out
and have a croissant.
- Trying.
- I love the teeth!
Aren't those cool? I know.
It's more like in your face.
And then she goes for you again.
So we get the emotion back into it.
I want it to be really truthful,
and I want each fight to have a story.
So for me, it was like
we would choreograph fights,
but we would also be choreographing
dramatic moments between the characters,
of trust or revenge, or different feelings
that they might have.
I think we're all lookin'
for those moments,
and that's something
that Cate did as a director,
where she really galvanized all of us
to bring our best, our A-game,
and to really look for the heart
of the movie,
as opposed to looking for what's cool.
She really always would steer us back to,
"What's the heart of the movie?
"What are we looking for here?"
And, you know, that's real artistry.
- ROB: So, Florence. Just
- Yes.
Doesn't matter. Keep pushing on to it.
- Just keep going through that.
- Keep pushing you into it.
PUGH: For me, that opening fight sequence
was scary.
It was our first weekend to shoot,
and I hadn't really hung out
with Scarlett that much before.
That whole fight is about not knowing
how to say what you feel.
It's so aggressive. It's so face to face,
and I think what you were just saying,
we haven't seen that before. It's true.
You're on land,
and you have these two women
kind of doing a bit of
Jason Bourne-style fighting.
They are just kind of
trying to kill each other.
Um, and that was so exhilarating,
as an actor to come to that,
and then they let you
actually do it. Amazing.
ROB: There's a lot of fights.
[CHUCKLES] It's a Marvel movie.
But the next one we come to
will be the bridge fight
which will be the first time we see
Taskmaster come against Natasha.
And it's the first time
we'll see Natasha on the backfoot.
Kevin always said to me,
"We know she's gonna survive it.
"But we have to think, at times, how."
And so we knew we had to put her
in some situations
where you questioned,
were things gonna be okay?
Taskmaster is an interesting one
because we've done a little bit
to make the character different than
the comics for our cinematic experience.
Say hello.
Who says Taskmaster has to be a man?
We had been talking about
this reference that Loki makes
in Avengers about the horrible things
Natasha's done in her past.
Can you wipe out that much red?
Dreykov's daughter?
It was very important to Kevin
that we shed
a little bit of light on that mystery.
It's incredibly redemptive for Natasha
because, in a way,
she can save this person
that she thought she'd murdered.
What the film speaks about a lot
is lack of control,
that these young women didn't have control
over their lives or their bodies.
And Taskmaster is like
the living embodiment of that.
Someone who's completely programmed
and has no say in any of her actions.
TEMIME: The Taskmaster was
one of the film's costume I worked on.
We were quite obsessed by making it
in a way that it was light,
that she could jump, that she could roll,
um, that she could do all the acrobatics
she needed to do.
So we made the armor as light as we could,
the helmet as light as we could.
We printed the fabric
with a very specific little design.
The blue is a gorgeous blue.
That was also a Marvel design,
and then also the interpretation
and the realization is from us.
All of the weapons are concealed
on Taskmaster all the time.
So, they can appear,
and we can decide to lose them.
So the idea of having a shield,
where does it go?
On the back, same as Captain America?
It won't work.
So they wanted to do it so that you could
have it appear from his arms.
Trying not to tie the action down.
The whole thing about these movies
is to try and work out
what the action requires.
Once we started working
with the fight coordinators,
we had to work out that the shield
had to be left or right handed.
Same with the sword. The beauty was
not having a handle involved
and that we can assume
this is held together
by a magnet or some sort of shield
on the armor.
What was great was Marvel said to me,
"We'll tell you when to stop.
"You just have to keep having ideas
and don't suppress them.
"Just keep having ideas."
And so, I don't think they ever
really did tell us to stop. [CHUCKLES]
Cate Shortland is such a gift
as a filmmaker.
The emotional layer
that we added to it was necessary.
It was imperative that we told you
that layer from Black Widow.
Otherwise, it would have been
another action film.
And we've made action films before.
But the emotional resonance had to be
something that got us
through the next two hours.
Because we waited ten years
for these two hours.
So it better be worth it.
And Cate Shortland
is a visionary filmmaker
that takes her time in the detail
of the nuances of that particular moment.
And sometimes it's just with a look,
or with a hand,
or with the camera just tilting.
And you feel it.
And your heart just goes there,
and you're, like, "Oh, I get it."
And that's a true talent
and an all-around phenomenal woman.
Obviously, going into this film,
I knew it was
The most important thing
was having my partner.
Cate was somebody
whose work I really admired.
Her stuff is so deep,
and so character-driven.
And knowing that I had her,
knowing that she and I would be able
to build this character together,
I knew that we were, you know,
cooking with gas.
For me, the most important scene for her
was at the beginning
of the first Avengers.
Where she fights these Russians
in a warehouse,
in a tight, beautiful black dress.
And as she walks away,
and she's done an amazing fight,
an introduction that anyone
will dream of having,
she picks up her high heels
and she walks away.
The ultimate female badass.
WHITCHER: Each movie, I think
everybody feels a little bit closer
and less guarded with each other.
I mean, I've seen, uh,
Avengers start their families.
And I've seen, you know, from Scarlett
even being pregnant on Avengers, to
It's crazy. So we've all been together
a long time now,
and I think we trust each other,
and we know that we have
everybody's best interests at heart.
Scarlett was a producer on the film.
So she knew that
she also had to drive production,
and she had to keep people's spirits up.
PEARSON: It was almost too good,
where I was wondering
where the other shoe was gonna drop.
Like, is it really Can it be this good,
that biggest movie star in the world
is actually a really nice person
who's completely dedicated to the movie
and trying to make it better at all times?
And also, when you see her turn it on,
everything changes.
What you taught me kept me alive.
WEISZ: I think Scarlett portrays
Black Widow in a way
that she's obviously
extremely strong and powerful
and can fight and can outwit everybody.
But she also has a heart
and an emotional life, she's vulnerable,
and she wants, and she needs.
Scarlett's been playing the character,
obviously, now for decades.
So she's grown up with Natasha Romanoff.
And she knows her inside out. I really
feel that when I'm playing opposite her,
it's a character that has many,
many layers. She's deeply committed.
She is Natasha. She is Natasha.
She created that character.
And the minute that she walks on set,
she is Natasha.
I remember her daughter came to set,
I asked, "What does she think you do?"
And she goes,
"Fight baddies for a living."
I was like, "But that is what you do.
"That's what you've been
the face of for so long."
The only woman
that has been at the front of it.
And slowly, there's more coming.
And that's a wicked thing,
to be a part of this new search
for more stories about women
in this world, outside of this world,
as you were just saying.
The era of feminism
and finding women
to tell interesting stories.
And she's been, I suppose,
doing it for a very long time.
Five, six, seven.
Just as an exercise. I'm wondering,
is there a way of letting go of the gun?
This isn't ideal,
but just to give you an idea.
Yeah. I understand you.
I'm just trying to work out
- Doing into the roll, drop it.
- Here?
- Yeah.
- You just release it?
- Yeah.
- Just release it.
- Yeah, we could just
- Release it there?
As you roll.
I wonder, if you make it part of
So that if it's the second time around,
because it feels odd
that they let their gun go.
- Okay.
- But if you made it part of
the first part of it, so if they all
started with their guns on the ground
- Yes.
- and there's a move
- that gets them to their gun.
- Then your shoulder. Tuck in your head.
- Yeah. That's great.
- Yeah.
- Yeah. So, guys, this.
- Okay.
All the young Widows are training
in what's called Systema,
which is a Russian form of combat.
And when I first met Cate,
we talked about what kind of movement
that the young Russians could be doing.
And I suggested, because earlier
in the Black Widow's history,
she was trained in ballet,
it would be great
if we could find some kind of movement
that was not balletic,
but still had the beauty,
and the discipline, and the rhythm
that you get in a ballet class.
So I went away and looked at
lots of stuff, and I found the Systema,
and I was like, "Oh, this could be it.
This could be it."
Because this is like a dance.
It's beautiful.
But at the same time,
you need so much strength.
One, two, three, four,
five, six, seven, eight.
I fell in love with our Widows.
That was a wonderful process
because I knew we were
gonna have 25 young women
who were dancers, acrobats
and stunt performers
who trained in fighting.
They trained with guns.
Something that was so amazing
that I loved Cate did,
she made sure that every single girl
had something from where they were from.
Whether it was the way that they did
their hair or something that they owned.
It really felt like these people
had been stolen from their birthplace.
You get to make your own choices now.
It's only when they escape
and when they leave
that maybe they realize
how twisted it all is.
Even though throughout this movie,
they're presented
as an antagonistic force,
it was important that we kind of show
why they were the way they were.
That, like Natasha,
they too have a shot at redemption.
It's not really what people make you,
you can still decide
how you want to live your life.
You know, this is the first piece
of clothing I've ever bought for myself.
- That?
- Yeah, you don't like it?
Was that like an army surplus or
Okay, it has a lot of pockets.
But I use them all the time,
and I made some of my own modifications.
- Oh, yeah? [CHUCKLES]
- Whatever.
Shut up. The point is, I've never had
control over my own life before.
And now I do. I want to do things.
I like your vest.
[EXCLAIMS] I knew it. I knew you did.
- It's so cool, right?
- It's cool.
SCHAEFFER: In the comics,
Yelena is another Widow
who trained in the Red Room.
And in the comics,
she's more of a competitor to Natasha.
But what we've created is that
Yelena and Natasha were children together.
They were part of a spy family.
Florence Pugh plays Yelena,
and her character,
you know, she is the next generation
of Widows, in a way.
When she comes out of that Widow program,
she's never had any sense of independence.
She wants to write her own story.
PUGH: One of the coolest things
about playing Yelena
is just how complex and broken she is,
for someone who is so sure
of what she does.
She knows exactly how to function
in the things that she's been trained in,
but she has no clue how to live
as a human.
She's a bit of a kid,
but she's a lethal weapon.
She has this murky side to her life
that she has no idea what it's about,
and she's having to now discover
who she is.
To him, we are just things.
Weapons with no face
that he can just throw away
because there is always more.
Her and Natasha, I think, both have that.
This constant not knowing
of where they come from
and this constant need to figure out
where they came from and who they are.
I mean, that's what
Natasha's always looking for,
is a sense of family and a sense of home.
And it's because of their history.
You do this split with the hair head flip.
And you do it when you're fighting.
It's like a fighting pose.
SHORTLAND: When I came onto the film,
I spoke to Kevin about actors.
And Florence Pugh
was one of the first people I spoke about
because I'd seen Lady Macbeth,
and she and Scarlett as a team
are unstoppable.
HARBOUR: Florence, I adore her as not only
as an extraordinary actress,
but also just as a human being.
I remember there's a little scene in it
where I think I hug the two of them
in this ridiculous way at this
I'm, like, "I love you so much."
And they break away from me
like, "You're a narcissist."
But I remember before that break,
there is a moment that we shot.
I don't know if it's in the movie,
where she softens
in his embrace for a second,
like, "This is my dad holding me."
And it is a beautiful moment, I thought.
So sophisticated to find that moment.
You smell really bad.
The thought was,
who do we pair up with Scarlett
that can hold her own, that could shine?
And we needed to have someone that go,
"Those two together are just nuclear."
Which was the whole idea,
to tell that story of sisterhood
and the conflict of that
and how they grow together in this film.
So I think Florence Pugh was a true gift.
I'm not here trying to be your friend,
but you need to tell me what that is.
It's a synthetic gas,
the counter-agent to chemical subjugation.
The gas immunizes the brain's neural
pathways from external manipulation.
Maybe in English next time.
Ochen' umno.
to one of your super-scientist friends?
They can explain it to you.
Tony Stark, maybe?
It was so wonderful to be able to
do those scenes with Florence
'cause she's such a wonderful actor
and playful.
And her work is so touching. And so it was
a ease to feel connected to her
because she's so open in those moments.
And you really feel that when you watch it
on screen, it just feels very natural.
Belts are on the end.
All set, here we go. Ready. And action!
- Charge!
The gulag set, we decided very early on
that this would be very remote
in this sort of snowy wilderness,
I suppose.
The set's actually 160 foot in diameter.
We start by building
these sorts of sets as 3-D models.
And then what we do very early on
is we try and populate them.
And we try and see how many extras
we think we need
to try and make the space
feel big enough for camera.
The snow, by the way, is all salt.
It's about the only material
you can use which actually,
really does look like snow.
The really bad news is we're in England.
It rains a lot.
And the salt dissolves in water.
It probably took us about four days
to put the snow down,
and then it just so happens,
the night before we were gonna film,
we had a really bad storm.
And basically, all the snow went away.
So the next morning,
we pulled everyone from everywhere
and put it back together
in about four hours.
Which is what film-making's all about.
CHAPEK: Charlie is such an accomplished
production designer.
His attention to detail is unlike
anything I've ever seen before.
And something that was very important
from the beginning
was creating a world
that Cate saw fit for this movie.
We try and build all of the models.
We try and supply
as much reference as possible,
and we'll go through it all.
But then what also happens is
the stunts department
will then become involved in this
because, obviously,
they have to perform on here.
They'll have their own requirements.
As will lighting.
So the thing about art direction
and set design and that sort of thing,
it's not just for one department.
It's for the entire film.
You have to be mindful and accommodating
of what everyone needs from a set besides
what you're just trying to do visually.
It has to work for everyone.
Otherwise, it, it wouldn't work at all.
The Red Guardian, he's the most
insecure character in the film,
and so he's always hiding.
Did he talk to you about me?
Did he talk to you about me?
You know, trading war stories.
- Who? What are you talking about?
- Captain America.
When it first came to me, Cate sat me down
and started telling me about the script
'cause they don't let you see a script
in these things, which I understand.
It's all so top secret. But she started
pitching me this idea of this guy,
and I think the first thing she
talked about was this scene in a prison,
and he has this strength,
and he's this, like, beastly guy.
And I was envisioning this kind of
gangster movie and all this stuff, and it,
and I was like, "Oh, this is great."
And I kind of project where he's gonna go.
And then she said,
"And he desperately wants to be liked.
"He desperately wants people
to think he's funny and charming."
I was like, "Whoa!" So the zig
and the zag of the character in that way
was so appealing to me that you are able
to create this full human being
who has this big, strong,
massive side to him,
but also has all these human qualities
of being an obtuse narcissist
and a guy who is desperate
for the affection of the people
that he loves or as much as
he possibly can love, loves.
He's a very complicated guy,
so when she pitched this to me,
I was like,
"Wow, this is really exciting."
It still fits.
It is easier for a designer when you know
the behind of the character
because you can project that
in the costume.
Even when you design a superhero,
like when I started designing
the Red Guardian,
I knew that he wanted to be
like Captain America.
I knew that he was a guy who was
always trying too hard to be somebody.
I knew that his personality was
a little bit overdone, bigger than life.
So I project that in the design.
This is why it's so important to know
the psychology of the character,
what's behind the facade of the superhero.
It helps tremendously for the design.
CHAPEK: Jany has such a great backstory
just in terms of everything
that she's done before.
She's come from the 007 world,
which is a little bit more grounded.
She's also done Harry Potters.
And to be able to strike that balance
was something that we were looking for.
Everything that you see here
is made in our work room.
All the leather, all the rubber bits.
All the costumes here
is made by people here.
For the first time, we are going to have
a white costume for our Black Widow.
- Hey, girl.
- Look at you.
- Day one, White Widow.
- You look good.
- Hmm. You look good.
- Yay. Thanks.
The original idea was that
when they fight in the snow,
they are wearing white uniform
because it's the color of the snow.
So that was the start of an idea.
I was so afraid at the beginning
to start doing it, you know?
I was thinking,
"Oh, my God. Will she like it?"
But the suit is designed in such a way
that you have some graphic line in it,
give an incredible silhouette to Scarlett.
This is the one that Yelena,
her sister, is wearing.
It's more functional.
It was based on a more sportive idea.
And on top of that, she has the vest
that you could see at the end of the film
she's going to give it
to her older sister.
What we are using for fabric
is actually a durable jersey.
Very strong. And we print on them,
we print on them a design
which is different.
And that give her the possibility
of having something very original,
and being able to use any source of fabric
which is necessary
for the elasticity
and the comfort of the suit.
Scarlett and I both have
White Widow suits, which is very cool.
I can move in it, I can fight in it,
which isn't the same
for lots of the superhero suits.
They're usually, you know,
there to look amazing.
So it was cool to be in a suit
that was made for function
and completely summed up
exactly what Yelena is about.
She just puts the clothes on
and then fights.
I think it's never finished.
For me, the costume is finished
when they are shooting on it.
When the first take is done,
and I think, "Ha, ha, it works."
[CHUCKLING] This is the moment
where I think that my job is finished.
But I think till that moment,
you are never finished.
CHAPEK: There are so many great characters
that we needed to design for this.
One thing that's interesting
about Marvel Studios
is we have our in-house
visual development team,
led by Andy Park,
who headed the development
of the costumes and everything.
And what was so great
about Jany is her collaboration with Andy,
is that they formed a great partnership
in ultimately bringing
these characters to life.
My father, he go toilet on my hands.
- Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
- Urine is 35°C
- Oh, my God.
- staves off the frostbite.
How is this relevant?
You know, fathers.
I think when you have a juicy scene
that you know you've got coming up,
and especially David and I
get along really well,
we were good mates during the filming.
So we were genuinely excited
about doing that scene.
And then when it came about,
it kind of happened so quickly,
and we [LAUGHS] And then it was done.
And we're like,
"Oh! We really enjoyed that."
It's amazing when you have
that connection with someone.
It's amazing when you all have
the same idea of where you're going.
That's very rare.
And also to have someone like Cate,
who is constantly
pushing for you to not shy away
from feeling is an amazing,
supportive feeling.
PEARSON: David Harbour,
every choice he makes is so funny and big.
And I love that he
I said to him, "You should have
Karl Marx across your knuckles."
And that he has all these prison tattoos.
And he just went for it right away.
That guy think he goin' to beat me.
PEARSON: He was just another
Again, we have a real bounty of riches.
Our cast has been
incredible the whole way.
WINSTONE: Well, me joining
the Marvel Universe was a
I guess a big surprise for me.
I read comic books when I was a kid
like every other kid, I guess.
I always remember
in the early comic books,
that even the bad guy
had kind of a sadness
and a sorrow about him in the end.
So when I kind of read this,
I wondered whether my character Dreykov
might have that same kind of realization
within death or within the ending,
his demise, you know?
FAGBENLE: It's amazing!
Like, it's full on amazing
to think I might be
part of something as big
and important
to so many people as the MCU.
So sorry.
I was really attracted to the idea
of working with Cate, our director,
who, you know, is such an auteur
and the movies she's done
are so moving and meaningful.
And so, it would be kind of like,
confluence of her style
with the scope
of the Marvel Universe was just
It was really intriguing to me.
You're gonna go easy.
Let him go.
What was really
interesting for me actually
was getting to spend
some time with William Hurt.
He was so vigorous and so
Like, he wanted to explore and sit
And it really kind of, I don't know,
it gave me a lot of heart,
really, to be honest.
To go, like, "Yeah," you know?
You're still fightin'
for the integrity of the piece.
The perfect model for me,
as an actor, is repertory ensemble, okay?
So that you're an ensemble,
and you're building ethics of trust,
you're learning to trust each other
so that you can surrender
your concentration and trust
to depths that it can't go to without it.
And then one of the things
that you do with that is go to character,
and character demands
all the imagination you have.
So you can't really get to character
unless you can have the imagination
that is only possible with trust.
So trusting the other actor is the scene.
It's the life of the scene. Period.
We got Barton,
we got Wilson, and that other guy,
"The Incredible Shrinking Convict."
Rogers is on the run. You got no friends.
Where are you gonna go?
I think for us, consistently,
we say, "Thank God for our cast.
"Thank God for what they were able to"
That we had that dream
of what they could create.
And then at the helm,
with Cate's help, that they get there.
And you get those scenes,
and you go, "Hallelujah."
Honey. We're home.
Rachel Weisz is playing Melina Vostokoff.
She, in the comics,
is also a former Russian spy
that we wanted to integrate into the film.
How long do we have?
I don't know. Like an hour maybe?
I don't wanna go.
With Melina, Rachel Weisz
is such an accomplished dramatic actor.
To have someone like that
step into a role like this,
it's such an incredible
leap of faith for us,
and it validates everything we do.
You look like you have
- Hey, everybody set?
- Set.
Here we go. And action!
CHAPEK: She brings such a gravitas
to this character
who has been a part of this spy world.
Who came from the Red Room before Natasha.
You know, it's like when you told them
that they could stay up late
to catch Santa Claus.
That was fun, you know.
He come down the chimney, girls.
Look out! Where is he?
But he doesn't come.
Well, I know. But that's the fun.
That's part of the fun of it,
is that he never come.
It's like, you know,
waiting for the thing.
But it gives you hope, right?
And I believe you should
- No, I do know it give you hope, you know?
- No, I know. [CHUCKLES]
And I believe you should, you should hope.
I'm sorry. Wait, wait.
You were going for Waiting for Godot.
Well, you were.
- Waiting for whatever.
- Just say it!
As soon as they arrive at Melina's,
we kinda see how even though
they've been separated for 20 years,
they sit down, and it's like picking up
from where they were in Ohio.
You haven't aged a day, huh?
You're just as beautiful and supple
as the day they staged our marriage.
I think because we all individually knew
how each one of our characters
felt about the other person,
it actually, in a way, you kind of
don't want to kill it with rehearsal,
you just wanna get there on the day
and see what everybody's giving.
SHORTLAND: It was really,
the script was the hardest part
because it was a jigsaw puzzle.
It was comedy,
it was drama, it's spectacle.
And you have to make it all
one beautiful thing.
So, that was a challenge.
Good boy, Alexei. Good boy.
You named the pig after me?
You don't see the resemblance?
The funny-ness that comes out of it
comes from these missed connections
and from these attempts
to love each other.
And they're just
inadequate people, all of them.
- Change it up. Yeah.
- Yep, yep, yes.
- Can you go to your right further?
- Try to find
PUGH: Cate has made
a film that it isn't necessarily
The heart isn't about superheroes.
The heart is about being damaged
and trying to find a way to fix yourself.
And so, you know,
there's obviously so much humor in it,
and David Harbour's hilarious,
and Rachel Weisz is just a legend.
But equally, when it gets to those scenes,
Cate was really sure that she needed
this to be the heart of the film.
She kept on saying throughout the shoot,
"What's the heart of the film?"
And she needed this to be about the pain
and how you repair yourself
and how you collect yourself.
You are an idiot.
And you're a coward.
You're a coward,
and our family was never real,
so, there's nothing to hold onto.
We're moving on.
It's important for us
to understand in this film
how this family has shaped
the person that Natasha became.
I'm sorry.
Why she is so guarded,
and why she wears many faces
and puts on the masks.
She's been deeply hurt by the people
who meant the most to her,
and the result is kind
of what you see is what you get.
You got some nerve, I'll give you that.
You could use some of that right now.
I think especially,
coming out of this time,
where we're all really
longing for community,
and there has been so much division,
I think what the film does is it says,
"Accept and love each other
for who you are,
"and look at each other
as precious beings."
And I think that's all I want,
is for people to enjoy it
and see the human under the suit.
It's a security issue, Barry.
- Come on. Come on.
- Barry?
- It's a security.
- I know.
So this is my 23rd movie at Marvel.
I've been all around the world.
This is absolutely the biggest
security threat we've ever faced.
These guys right here.
I think this is gonna
have a very different look
than most of the other MCU movies
'cause we're on location.
We're in the brush. We're in the mud.
We're gonna probably be
in the snow, in the sand.
And I feel like we're gonna be
in a lot of real natural places.
- Left pocket is the best one for us.
- Yeah.
- Then let's do a pre-wet.
- Yeah.
So she's really, like
But, uh, she probably
won't have to act that.
- You know, like, she's like
- Her, okay. She fell in icy cold water.
And then she's up, and she's like
You know?
- Shout out if I'm overacting.
- No, overact. Yeah.
- Okay. [LAUGHS]
- That'll make me look better.
Guys, what we'll do, we'll pre-wet
and everything just by the water's edge.
- So mean.
- You're sending her in first?
- Um, oh, we talked about it.
- Always.
Crew away, one more.
Keep rolling. Keep rolling.
- Keep going?
- Coming back, C.C.
- Okay.
- You good?
We couldn't be happier with our doubles.
For Natasha, we've got
Mickey Facchinello and C.C. Ice.
C.C. has come from our Avengers crew,
so she knows the character very well.
And Mickey
is an extremely talented martial artist.
So both our ladies do the research.
They watch the old movies.
They are at the top of their game.
They're looking
for the moments, those pieces,
and they're very conscious
of what Scarlett's gonna be doing.
I think the most important thing
is that they know
that to be a good double is to blend
when we see the actor stunts.
We wanna make it seamless.
The biggest respect to these ladies.
They are brilliant, you know,
story moments of what we want,
but you wanna see Scarlett.
- I'm going.
- Here we come, she's comin' in.
Happy thoughts.
I'm thinking happy thoughts.
MAN: How's that position, Rob?
I love my job. I love my job.
- MAN: Here we go. Everyone ready?
- And action!
- MAN 1: Everybody, reset!
- MAN 2: Reset, Scarlett.
It's still cold.
CHAPEK: From the very beginning,
this movie had to be
something very different.
This movie wasn't something
that could be cheated for other locations.
We wouldn't be able to take another
European city and double it for Budapest.
It was very important that we put
our characters on the ground,
feel the city, and feature the city.
And ever since Avengers 1,
we set up this idea that Clint and Natasha
had this incredible adventure in Budapest.
- Just like Budapest all over again.
- I remember Budapest very differently.
It's something that's become
very important to fans,
and when making a Black Widow movie,
it's very important for us
to kind of pay that off,
or at least shed light as to what
had happened so many years ago.
What bullet does that?
- Not bullets, arrows.
- Ah, right.
As Natasha, in our movie, kind of finds
herself thrown back into Budapest,
she's forced to relive things
that happened with her and Clint.
It started out so funnily,
is this thing that,
you know, Joss Whedon threw in there,
as this great sort of quippy moment
between Hawkeye and Black Widow, you know.
That's Clint and Natasha right there,
their kind of history.
Just a fun little Easter egg for people
and for fans to kind of theorize about.
Then we thought, "We gotta find out
what happened in Budapest."
Tell me what happened. Tell me exactly.
- We rigged bombs.
- Who's "we"?
Clint Barton.
Killing Dreykov was the final step
in my defection to S.H.I.E.L.D.
Simple as that.
The location just felt like it would be
visually, really exciting, too.
And give a kind of flavor
that the Marvel Universe
has never really explored,
this great, like,
Eastern European vibe, which is so fun.
All right, no more smoke. Action!
When I first went to Budapest
over 30 years ago,
I went to a lot of apartments like that.
And, um
And we shot the exterior of it
in a courtyard
in a wonderful old building
called the Express Building,
which is right in the center of Budapest,
which amazingly, hasn't been touched
in all the years I've known the city.
So it was a pleasure
to go back and see that.
I guess I just
[LAUGHS] Me too.
I just slipped down, basically.
BUSH: It was very nice on this film
to actually see it as Budapest.
'Cause I'll tell you,
in all the times I've been there,
we've always turned it into East Berlin
or Paris or Rome or somewhere else.
But, um, you know, just for a change,
it was Budapest as Budapest
and celebrated as such.
Here we go. Picture's up.
One of the biggest chases
is set in Budapest.
And we are on a motorbike as Taskmaster
is in a tank coming after us.
So for three weeks,
they had a tank drive around Budapest,
and I'm sure
that shocked quite a lot of people.
JOHANSSON: The city of Budapest gave us,
like, you know,
basically the keys to the city.
So we were able to really use these
iconic locations in a very practical way,
which is really fun
'cause you don't have to be
shooting all these plates and using a lot
of CG, you can actually really do it.
PUGH: It was very funny.
We had stunt doubles going around the city
on a real motorbike.
And then we were on
a pole that had a motorbike on it.
MAN: Three, two, one. Go!
That chase is so many things. [LAUGHS]
As it normally is.
Some of it is us being
pulled by a camera on this rig.
And fire!
JOHANSSON: That car-flipping stuff
was all on this weird track.
And then a lot of it is also practical.
It was just also one of those things
that you had to fill in all the blanks.
So obviously, your stunts are doing
mega things and making this look real.
And then [CHUCKLES]
we have to come in to do
the corner shot
and make it look really scary.
Okay, you got a plan,
or shall I just stay, duck and cover?
My plan was to drive us away!
It's a shit plan.
PUGH: I always find that part
of filmmaking fascinating.
It was a lot of fun, and it starts
the film on that energy straight away.
It excels
and basically moves the entire story line
into the main part of the film.
And it's just one car chase.
It's unbelievable.
Every Marvel film,
we're trying to up the one before it
and give audiences something new,
exciting, and creative
that they've never seen before.
While at the same time,
trying to manage and maintain
a constant and consistent story.
YELENA: What about Romanoff?
She's a traitor.
She turned her back on her people.
On her blood.
BAUMANN: For us right now, the third act
is probably the biggest challenge.
It's a free fall sequence.
Sky-diving in and out of planes
and, you know, zero-G.
So, there's a lot of choreography
that's gonna be involved,
both with the visual effects
and stunts and special effects.
And to really try to bring
that sequence together
and giving our actors opportunities
to really perform at their best
in that environment and not be overwhelmed
by the number of rigs or wires, et cetera,
that they're going to be on.
MARRA: Cate has created
a really beautiful palette.
Because this is a new world for her,
in terms of visual effects,
a lot of her questions had to do with how.
"How do we shoot this?
How to I get this vision onto the screen?"
Which, of course, is our jobs.
So we had lots of early
pre-conversations about, um,
like, how we shoot visual effects,
whether it's set extensions
or just A over B comps
and showing her
what we can bring to her movie.
Lift those feet a little bit
and push forward.
- Nice.
- Need a focus.
- I'll pause it [INDISTINCT]
- Yeah.
Yeah, that would be better.
That's cool. Let's shoot it.
A lot of the time,
what's written on the page
isn't always what we can produce.
But there are the alternatives that,
if we wanna keep this as grounded
and as real as possible,
this is what we can really achieve.
And then getting everybody on board
with that part of it
and then developing that sequence.
And then go, "Okay, well, that sequence,
that's what we want it to be.
"This is the next sequence.
We will need help to make this work."
It'll be three-quarter visual effects,
quarter stunts.
But are we happy
with the look of what that is?
And then buy into that.
So it's kinda then
It's making the most of our time on each
sequence, really, which is important.
If you don't know what's happening,
that is the biggest compliment
that you can give a visual effects team.
If you're so into the story
that you don't question,
"How did they do that?"
You don't because why?
'Cause you're afraid
that they're not going to make it.
Or you're so excited that you're like,
"Oh, my God!"
If that's happening to you as an audience,
every single visual effects artist
around the world,
like the, whatever, 5,000 people
that worked on this movie,
everybody will be grateful.
I think there's probably,
out of 2,800 shots,
is maybe 200
that don't have visual effects.
There's a lot of work in there.
A lot of it you know,
and you realize it's happening
'cause it will be not safe to do it
that way, so then you know it's happening.
But there is so much more
that is happening that you have no idea.
What better joy to have
as a filmmaker or as an artist,
that we can have to create
worlds or to create moments
that you don't even know it's happening,
but you can actually
give that to the audience?
I mean, I think to me,
that's a dream come true.
In every movie we make,
and every streaming show we do,
we have a chance to tell a story
that on paper feels or seems impossible.
And then you allow the artistry
of visual effects artists
around the world,
and they come in,
and they just make it work for you.
Can you pull back? Pull back.
Pull back with the girls.
Florence, can you stand?
I want you to cheat
and go through more Widows.
Come through more Widows. Cheat it.
PUGH: Something that I was always very
For me as an actor,
I've always felt sure about,
what is power, what does power look like?
And when you look at a superhero,
I've always thought,
if I'm in a building, and it's burning,
and I need a superhero
to come and save me,
I need a woman to come and save me,
what would they look like?
And I think for a long time,
we've looked at, you know,
these shooting things that come
through the air, and they grab you.
And actually, if you had a warrior
that was coming in
to come and save you,
what would these people look like?
For me, I always found
something very unique about the script,
which is the amount
of women that this will reach.
This film is about abuse
and women finding their path again.
And something as big
and as serious as that reaching
the amount of people that it will do
because of this film is, um
I mean, I didn't have that
when I was growing up.
It was striking how many female, you know,
how many stuntwomen we had on set
at any given time.
I mean, just the power of these women,
all in one room together was something
I'd never experienced before.
It was an amazing feeling to be surrounded
by all these badass women
and really be able to get,
like, down and dirty with them.
- MAN: Action!
What Scarlett brings to her character,
with what she means to young girls today,
what she means to all the fans
'cause she's got such a following,
but especially to young girls,
is incredibly special and inspiring.
When you're watching it
you feel like, "That's me."
You're kinda watching it
thinking it's you,
so I think when a girl or a woman sees
women being action stars,
they can identify.
And you go along with the story
imagining that it's you who are like that.
So it's just a lot more exciting.
ALONSO: It's imperative.
It's imperative that these kids have
a character that they can look up to.
That on a day when they don't
feel up to facing the world,
that they can put a mask,
they can put a cape, and they can pretend.
And if that is what gives you the strength
to get through that moment and time,
and it helps you because it empowers you,
then I salute you.
And if we don't do that for every kid,
then we will fail.
One of the beautiful things about comics,
is comics didn't fail you.
People saw themselves.
So that identity that the page created,
we need to continue
to do in the moving image.
This has been a dream job for me,
and you guys have been
bringing all your creative juice
and spirit and energy to this film.
I think we're making
something really, really special.
Something very, very special
to me, anyway.
And so thank you all so, so much.
JOHANSSON: It's been an incredible
opportunity for me to be able to continue
to come back to a character
that I love so much.
And I really have to thank
the audiences for that.
I'm super happy
with all the work that we've done
with this long-standing series
of franchise films from Marvel,
and it just feels like real family.
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