No Taste Like Home with Antoni Porowski (2025) s01e04 Episode Script

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[Antoni Porowski]
I'm Antoni Porowski.
-[worker] Hello, friend.
-Hello.
And as a son of immigrants,
-I know that food
-Whoo.
can tell you more about who you are
Nothing makes me feel
more Polish than this.
and where you've come from
-This is it.
-than you ever imagined.
So now, I'm leading six
curious Hollywood stars
-Are you excited for this?
-Yeah.
on their very own
journeys of a lifetime.
I've been waiting for
this moment my entire life.
I'll be delving into
their family histories
[gasps]
-Florence?
-Yeah!
and tracking down culinary clues
Oh my gosh, it's so good.
to unlock the past.
It almost feels unreal to think
that I descend from a king.
[Antoni] And it all begins
-Yeah!
-For you, Nonna.
-with just one
-[laughter]
family recipe.
-It's crispy.
-Mm!
[Antoni] This time, James Marsden,
star of Enchanted, Jury Duty,
and Westworld,
heads to Texas.
Your family is part
of a very dramatic story.
[Antoni] And Germany.
[James Marsden] If you'd have told me
we were coming to have dinner
with a royal German family,
I would not have expected that.
[Antoni] To get the full flavor
I would never have tied
German immigrants to barbecue.
[Antoni] of his family's history.
I actually only stand on the red.
Well, this is getting interesting,
-and maybe dark.
-[laughter]
♪♪
[birdsong]
[knocking]
-What's up?
-That was a solid door knock.
-How are you?
-I try.
-Good to see you, James.
-Thanks for coming.
-Come on in.
-[door closes]
-Welcome to Mom's house.
-[Antoni] Thanks!
-Hi, Miss Marsden.
-Hi.
-[James] This is Mom.
-So nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you too.
Thank you so much for having me.
Mom, this is Ant. Kathleen, Ant.
[Antoni]
James and his mother Kathleen
have invited me over
for a home-cooked meal.
I'm already distracted,
there's so much going on here.
-Welcome to Meatville.
-You can turn that on for me.
Yeah, let's see here.
Oh, that's the back burner.
Chaos and madness. Come on, cook already.
[laughter]
Okay, so what is it
that we're making today?
We are making well, my mom
is making chicken fried steak.
[Antoni]
It's a Texan classic which is made
with tenderized beef
that's fried like chicken
in a thick coat of buttermilk and flour.
I was gonna ask you, like, why this dish?
This is one of those dishes that when,
once she started cooking it,
we had a two-story house,
and the smell from the kitchen
would start to waft up the stairs.
-Yeah.
-We were upstairs
playing Nintendo or whatever,
and we'd smell it,
like, "Oh, Mom's cooking
chicken fried steaks."
It's taking me back.
I'm 12 years old again.
The thing we always wanted,
and we always wanted it
-overdone a little bit.
-Yeah.
So, there was a little extra crunch.
Yeah.
[Antoni] A single mom with four kids,
getting homemade food on the table
wasn't always easy
in the Marsden household.
[Kathleen] I worked a lot.
I had two jobs at once.
I was busy, busy, busy.
[James] You know, we had
a pretty humble upbringing.
But when she would cook,
it would be a rabid dash
-to the kitchen table
-[Antoni] Yeah.
to, like, claim your bits of steak.
[Kathleen] Who gets the crustiest one,
who gets the biggest piece?
But when your mom made that meal, like,
that's something that stays with you.
Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause there is extra love
that goes into that
when it's homemade like that.
-Wow, look at that.
-[Antoni gasps]
-Wow!
-Beaut.
-Nice work, you.
-Help yourself.
-[Antoni] This one's for you.
-[Kathleen] Oh, okay.
[James] Look at that perfect golden brown.
That's it right there.
Dig in.
-Yes.
-Oh, I get it. I get it.
There's something about
the shell of fried flour.
You get to have more gravy
'cause it just goes in between
all the little crevices.
[Antoni] Like the gravy, I want to get
to the nitty-gritty
of how chicken fried steak
made its way into
the Marsden family repertoire.
Kathleen, who taught you how to make this?
I had some guidance from my mother,
and she used a different kind of meat.
It was not tenderized,
so it was a thicker steak.
-Yeah.
-And it was a little
-[James] Tough?
-Chewy. [laughter]
[Antoni] Kathleen learned
the recipe from her mother,
James' Grandma Scholz.
This is my mother and my father
on their wedding day.
-Aw.
-[Antoni] Wow.
-[James] Grandfather Scholz,
-your father
-Yeah.
was half-German?
-Half-German.
-Half-German.
[Antoni] Mom Kathleen even knows
the name of one of her
father's German ancestors,
Adolf Scholz, James'
great-great-great-grandfather
who was well-known in
these parts in the mid-1800s.
Adolf Scholz had a beer garden
in San Antonio.
That's a beer gard Are those palms?
That's why it was called the Palm Garden.
That looks like a Gatsby party
or something.
[James] What events would
happen at the Palm Garden?
Beer fests, I guess, Oktoberfests.
You know, there's a lot
of Germans in Texas.
[Antoni] There were,
and it does make me wonder
whether chicken fried steak
would have been on the menu
all those years ago.
I'm convinced this dish holds the key
to something much bigger.
What's the pull for you
to do this right now?
-What excites you about this?
-As you get older,
you just get so curious about,
like, where did I come from?
Where did you come
Where did we all come from?
-How far back do you go?
-Mm-hmm.
And how did your ancestors live,
and what were they eating?
Do you have anything that's
been sort of passed down?
[Antoni] It's sort of like,
we do these things,
we have these rituals
when we're growing up,
and all of these family traditions.
You know, your face really did light up
when you were talking about,
like, you and your siblings,
running in when she was making this meal.
This is what we grew up eating,
but is there any connection
between this dish
and our great, great,
great, great whatever?
It's just finding what it is, right?
So, James has some big questions
about what he's inherited
from his German ancestors.
With that in mind, I've done some digging
through the archives to find out more.
And what I've discovered brings us here,
to the vast open country of central Texas.
♪♪
So, you're probably wondering
what the hell we're doing
-out in a field on horseback.
-[laughs] You could say that.
So, your four-times
maternal great-great-great-
great-grandfather
-Right.
-Hermann Conring and his wife Georgina,
they immigrated here from Germany in 1854.
-Whoa!
-With five kids.
-That's back to 1854.
[Antoni] So, James is more
German than he ever realized
because it wasn't just Kathleen's father
who had German ancestors.
Her mother Mary did too.
And they made their home out here.
They came here with their clothing,
their language, their customs,
some recipes, and like, that was it.
And they actually took
over 640 acres of land
and basically started populating
it with horse and cattle.
Did they know what it was gonna be like?
Why Texas?
All I can say is, more will be revealed.
Okay. All right, way to stay cryptic.
[laughing]
[Antoni] Just as I thought,
James is champing
at the bit to learn more.
And luckily, I've arranged
to meet someone to fill in the gaps.
Just the man we were looking for.
-Hi, Jim.
-Hey, welcome, fellas.
Glad to see you. Welcome to my ranch.
[Antoni] Jim Kearney's family
have been ranchers
for over 140 years.
Like James, his ancestors are also German.
Your family is part of
a very dramatic story.
[Antoni]
Turns out, a fifth of all families
in these parts have German roots.
And how many of them
ended up in this bit of Texas,
is a tale of Colonial ambition.
Back in the 1840s,
a group of German noblemen
led thousands of German
immigrants to Hill Country,
in the hope of creating
their own little principality.
But it didn't work out as planned.
It was almost a complete utter debacle,
'cause they ran out of money,
they didn't know
what they were doing,
they had no business acumen.
[Antoni] But what was
a disaster for the nobles
turned into an opportunity
for the German settlers.
[Jim] Somehow, the immigrants themselves
were able to turn things around
and make the transition to a new home
and country in Texas.
[Antoni] The route to their salvation?
Lots and lots of cows
something Jim knows a thing or two about.
[Jim] Well, fellas,
we need to move these cattle
out of here into another pasture.
Maybe you can give me a hand on that.
[laughing] Oh, you're serious?
Yeah, I think you can do it.
Do I know what that entails? No.
But am I down? Absolutely.
Great, and the best teacher is experience.
There you go. And you.
-If you survive it.
-[laughing]
♪♪
[Antoni] Back then, cattle were used
mainly for dairy and to plow fields.
Look, you can go this way,
I'll go this way, how bout that?
-There you go. Race ya.
-Look at that.
[Antoni]
But James' family arrived at a time
when the population was growing,
which lead to an increased
demand for beef.
[cows mooing]
[James] I'm staying away from the mare.
Yep, don't have to tell me twice.
I don't feel like I'm the one
in charge, at all.
[laughing] No, I know.
[Antoni] By the 1860s,
there were five million cattle
roaming the fertile Texas prairie.
-It's so crazy.
-It is wild.
[Antoni] Fifty-one of them
on a 640-acre ranch
owned by James' very own cowboy ancestor,
Hermann Conring.
I really feel like this is in your blood.
I think you're giving me
a little too much credit.
-No!
-But I'll take it.
[Antoni] I mean, it's
literally in your blood,
it's in your genetics, but, like
[Janes] It is and I think
that's the coolest thing,
is like realizing 150, 200 years ago,
that they were out here,
my great-great-great-
great-great-grandparents.
[Antoni] Yeah.
Doing essentially what we're doing now.
You ever get that feeling
like you've been somewhere before?
-100%.
-Yeah.
There's something
about this and everything
we're doing here
that does feel like, "Ah."
It's not I don't feel out of sorts,
I don't feel out of place.
This feels natural.
[Antoni] It turns out,
James has more cowboy in him
than he ever thought.
Let's hope he's got an appetite to match,
because we're heading into town
in search of a world-famous cuisine
that should get James to see
his German immigrant ancestors
in a whole new light.
♪♪
[James] Smells like something's cooking.
-Looky here.
-Whoa!
Real fires.
[Antoni] Jim is taking us to lunch
at one of the many German meat markets
here in central Texas.
Smells really good.
I'm salivating again already.
[Antoni]
Originally set up in Conring's time
to butcher and sell beef
to a growing population,
these places rapidly innovated.
[customer] Can we do
a quarter-pound of the brisket?
[Antoni] Recognizing people's enjoyment
of grilled food at outdoor celebrations,
German entrepreneurs turned
barbecue into an everyday treat
by moving the fire pits indoors,
and threw popular cuts onto the smoker,
like brisket and clod,
seasoned to perfection
with no more than a simple spice rub
inspired by the old country.
[Jim] And look at this sausage.
That was another skill
of the German immigrants.
-Sausage.
-They really perfected,
and usually just very simple ingredients.
Salt and pepper,
sometimes maybe a little garlic.
-That's all you need.
-My mom knows
-those ingredients well.
-[laughter]
[Antoni] Growing up in the South,
James is no stranger to food like this.
But what's amazing is that his
four-times great-grandfather
would have known it
from its very beginnings.
-[James] Texas barbecue.
-[Jim] All right.
-Courtesy of Antoni and I.
-Oh, here we are.
This is what they call
You got something for everybody.
-[Antoni] Whoo!
-[laughing]
[Antoni] And the tale doesn't end there.
So, I've invited barbecue expert
Hoover Alexander to join us for lunch.
You got that crunchy little
pieces of fat on the outside.
-People call it the candy.
-[Antoni] Yeah.
You want it to be moist,
but you want it to be tender.
It's not easy to do.
[Antoni] It really isn't.
So, the Germans teamed up with others.
[Jim] In the meat market,
we have two different
cultures coming together.
German is one thread in that,
and so is the African Americans.
If it fits in a pit, we try to smoke it.
[Antoni] Enslaved African Americans
were experts at cooking meat
over an open flame
and harnessing the flavor of local woods.
After the Civil War, many went
to work with the Germans.
[Hoover] What the slaves
brought to the game
was the actual skills of using live fire.
So, you know, you've got your pits,
be it shallow, be it deep.
You've got stakes that you smoke on.
All of these things have played a role
into what we know as Texas barbecue.
-[Jim] Yeah.
-[Antoni] "We got the meat.
We know what to do with it.
Let's join forces."
Learning about the Germans
and the Black culture
coming together, gives me goosebumps
-just thinking about it.
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
-[all agreeing]
And part of it's the food.
-[Hoover] Of course.
-[laughter]
Like, I would never have tied
German immigrants to barbecue.
-[Antoni] Right.
-In any fashion.
[Jim] Food is the last thing to go.
That's what people hold onto
as a symbol of their
-of their former life
-Yeah.
or wherever they came from.
That's my takeaway
from this, it really is.
-Yeah. Agreed.
-Yeah.
[Antoni] James has discovered
a connection to Texas
and its food through his ancestor
that's stronger than he ever realized.
But what's still a mystery
is why James' four-times
great-grandfather,
Hermann Conring,
came here in the first place.
There's only one way to find out
to head to the Old Country.
♪♪
I've taken a look at the records
and discovered that Conring was born here,
in the northwest of Germany
in what is now Lower Saxony.
And our first stop is a palace.
[James] It's beautiful, stunning.
[sighs]
[James] Very different than
riding a horse out in the field.
[Antoni] There's something
about Hermann Conring
James needs to hear.
This is my family's castle.
-[laughing]
-This is your family's castle.
I'm assuming.
I know nothing, I have no idea.
[Antoni] No, Conring didn't go
from being a prince to a cowboy,
but he was no farmhand either.
So, Hermann had nothing
to do with agriculture
or anything like that
when he was in Germany.
He was actually a notary, type of lawyer.
-Really?
-And he was super educated,
came from a really good family,
and they were part of the bourgeoisie.
So, they weren't quite
the aristocrats or the royals,
but definitely on, like,
the higher levels.
His wife's family were
really wealthy landowners
with, like, a huge manor.
Hermann's older sister's godmother
was actually a baroness.
-Wow.
-In terms of, like
-Sounds very fancy.
-Right?
Yeah.
[Antoni] So, a world away from
his life on a Texas ranch,
Hermann Conring was actually
a successful lawyer
with connections to nobility.
And that means he'd be familiar
with palaces like this.
So, you want to go inside?
It just so happens
we're in time for dinner.
What better way to understand
Conring's experience
than by trying it firsthand?
[James] If you'd have told me
we were coming to Germany
to have dinner with
a royal German family
-Yeah!
-not have expected that.
I feel so underdressed, you were
smart to bring a jacket.
♪♪
-Welcome.
-Hello.
-Antoni, nice to meet you.
-Hi, James, how are you?
-Hi, nice to meet you.
-Pleasure to meet you.
I'm Teddy. So, I hear
you have German ancestry?
Yes, I do, and I'm
we're sort of exploring
that at the moment.
I'm just every day is kind of a bit
of a puzzle that we're putting together.
Your name, again? Forgive me.
My name's Donatus,
but most people call me Teddy.
-Okay.
-There's this weird tradition
amongst aristocratic circles
that we have cute-sounding nicknames.
-Okay.
-Teddy, Sharmy, Boopy, Oopy.
-Okay.
-Whatever you prefer.
[Antoni] Teddy,
AKA Prince Heinrich Donatus
of Schaumburg-Lippe, is all smiles,
but his family is no joke.
With a dynasty stretching back 900 years,
his ancestors weren't just
upholders of tradition,
they were holders of absolute power.
And I suspect we'll find out
what that means
for James' ancestor over dinner.
♪♪
[Antoni laughing]
[James] Oh, my lord.
I was not anticipating this.
-Welcome to the ballroom.
-Oh my!
[James] My eyes can't process this.
This is incredible.
[Teddy] You played a prince
in a movie at one point,
-didn't you?
-I did.
Did you have to waltz
as well in the movie?
-I did, I did.
-How's your waltzing?
Learned the whole waltz for Enchanted.
-Oh, good!
-Wait, no, no.
-I just screwed that up.
-[laughter]
-You're already better than me.
-Wow, yeah.
Hermann Conring, I just learned,
is a was a notary.
Back in the day,
there was a pecking order,
whatever you want to call it,
and I was just thinking,
would they have been invited to the party?
-I don't know.
-Yeah, well, most of the people
that came here were
sort of what was considered
-the higher social classes.
-Sure.
But it's not just aristocracy, right?
There's also higher bourgeoisie,
the academics,
the highly educated members
of politics, perhaps.
Given that your ancestor
was highly connected,
there's a good chance
that he might have been
-in this kind of environment.
-Wow.
♪♪
I mean, you've got a half-red carpet.
Oh, yes, yes. Oh, excuse me.
I actually only stand on the red.
[Teddy] So, I'll show you the kitchen.
-[James] Hello.
-[chef] Hi.
-How are you?
-I'm fine, thanks.
[Antoni] Hi, Chef.
Carry on, don't let me stop you there.
[Antoni] Oliver Garasch,
private chef to many
aristocratic households,
is preparing a meal fit for a king.
Well, a prince.
Is that a hollandaise?
That will be a hollandaise, yeah.
[Antoni] Tonight's eight-course menu
is typical of what Conring
would have been served
at a banquet.
We do oysters, we do mock turtle soup,
we do a lobster course.
We have sauce Cumberland
for the venison dish, the main course.
Don't say something wrong, please,
-I am the man with the knife.
-[laughter]
The sweetness, I already taste
what it's gonna be like
with the venison, I love it, 10 out of 10.
Mm, that's exceptional.
-Yeah.
-That is so good.
[Antoni] It all looks delicious.
But English Cumberland sauce?
French lobster Thermidor?
I'm not seeing a lot
of sausage or sauerkraut.
Is there a dish here
that is specifically German?
So, specifically German, um
-No.
-So, they were plucking
these cuisines from different cultures.
Yeah.
[Antoni] It seems that
when it came to dining,
German aristocracy thought
their own country's food
was beneath them.
-Thank you, Chef.
-Thank you, we can't wait.
-This looks delicious.
-Bye.
♪♪
Another beautifully ornate room.
Um
I don't think I've ever seen
this many place settings.
[laughing] Whoa, yeah, that is a lot.
[James] I feel like this
is where I'm so ill-prepared
to know the actual etiquette,
what goes first, what goes second,
what to touch, what not to touch.
Well, what I learned from Pretty Woman
is that you work your way out
and you go in.
-Oh, oh.
-Good evening, gents.
Good evening.
[Antoni] Tonight, our hosts
are Prince Alexander
and Princess Mahkameh.
Lovely to meet you.
They've graciously agreed
to give us an insight
into the dining etiquette
that James' ancestor
would have been expected to know
Welcome to our humble abode.
[Antoni] when invited
for dinner at a palace.
So, toast goes on the side
on the side plate here.
-Great.
-That's what it's for.
This knife is also meant for the toast.
-[Antoni] Great.
-[James] Yeah, okay.
As for the cutlery,
the one that comes first
is on the outside,
and then you sort of work,
work your way towards the inside.
[Antoni] Thank you, Julia.
Use this fork to cut the oysters.
-[slurping]
-[Antoni chuckles]
It's very fresh.
-Briny.
-Mm-hmm.
[Alexander] I say, I drink
to our lovely guests today.
-Cheers.
-[glasses clinking]
[all toasting]
Lovely to meet you all,
thank you for inviting us
-into your home.
-And you guys are doing well,
because you're supposed to look
each other in the eyes.
It's so many rules to take in.
[Antoni] And I guess that was the point.
Every extravagant foreign dish,
every piece of etiquette,
reminded the likes of Conring
that although they were
offered a glimpse of power,
they would never wield it.
[Alexander] In those days,
I mean, you know,
society was a pyramid.
Everybody was locked
in their place, more or less,
with very, very few exceptions.
[Teddy] Oh, yeah, it's the venison.
[Antoni] So, even if this food
tastes delicious to us now
-[James] I'm astounded by it.
-[Antoni] Yeah.
It's really tasty, really flavorful.
[Antoni] The rule-bound
hierarchical society
it symbolized may have been tougher
for Hermann Conring to swallow.
-That was pretty surreal.
-Yeah.
But incredible. I mean, it's just
Again, this whole process is processing,
you know, kind of taking all that in.
It's a lot, absolutely.
The food was obviously incredible,
and I'm thinking, like, what my ancestors
were doing back in the day
and what where they sat
-in that hierarchy.
-Mm-hmm.
Where they were, the Conrings,
it felt like they were in
a pretty comfortable place.
-Mm-hmm.
-And what was going on
with that family that
why was everyone moving to Texas?
[Antoni] It's a very good question,
and I know just the place
to find out more.
♪♪
I'm just gonna ask
everyone that passes me,
like, "Do you know the Conrings?"
"Sorry, do you know the Conrings?"
Hermann?
-Hermann Conring?
-Five kids.
[Antoni] There are tried and tested ways
to research your family history.
But James, he's got his own methods.
James Marsden. X-Men, Notebook.
[Antoni] I've brought James to Hanover,
the state capital of Lower Saxony,
because I've found
something in the archives
that might explain
why his family left Germany.
So, Hermann Conring,
I have a bit of, like,
physical information.
That's his handwriting.
-No way.
-Yeah.
Wow, they did know how to write in
-Beautifully.
-in beautiful penmanship
back then. This is December 15, 1837.
"To the royal Hanoverian Ministry,
"for nine years, I've been
settled in this town
"as a lawyer.
I hope that I'm not to be blamed
"for my moral conduct of life
"since I have always
made it my business to act
"in an orderly and lawful manner
in my field of activity.
"Therefore, I dare to address
"the most humble request
to Your Excellencies,
"that you will graciously deign
to appoint me as notary.
Your Excellences most wise
and well-born." Boy.
Okay, hold on, let me figure out
what to make of this.
So, he's basically going, "Hey, hire me."
-Mm-hmm.
-"I'm reaching out to you."
I feel like there's ambition and drive.
But I'm guessing the tone
is that he's being denied this.
[Antoni] Conring's letters show a man
who was ambitious, but frustrated.
There's clearly something going on here,
and I found a clue from 17 years later
that sheds light on this.
The plot thickens.
"Annual report for 1854,
Office of Internal Affairs,
"immigration to America.
"In this year, 22 persons
emigrated to other parts of the world.
"Among them were the lawyer
Conring with his family
"known from the year of 1848,
"and in 1853 again,
imprisoned for a long time
because of demagogic activities."
Well, I need to decode that.
So, basically he was arrested twice.
-My family.
-[laughing]
-You got the right guy.
-Can you relate to that one?
You got the right guy. Wow, okay.
This is a lawyer who was imprisoned.
Yeah, exactly.
Wow, I wonder what
I wonder what that was about.
Well, this is getting
interesting, and maybe dark.
Well, let's go talk to someone
who's gonna help us out a little.
And also, I'm getting
a little hungry, so I thought
we could maybe go meet him,
and he can kind of unpack all this for us.
Oh, sorry you're getting hungry.
I'm just, like, unfolding my whole history
of my family. Let's get you a bagel.
[Antoni] My contact, and lunch,
is another bike ride away.
"Arrested twice
-for demagogic activity."
-Uh-huh.
[James] I'm not sure what that means.
But if it's anything fun, we should do
some demagogic stuff
while we're here in Hanover.
[Antoni] Gaststätte Kaiser is one
of the oldest taverns in town.
I'm not sure I want
to get this information.
[Antoni] Just the kind of place
where bourgeois intellectuals
like Hermann would hang out.
And the same is true today.
We're meeting journalist Heiko Randermann,
in the hope that he can explain
what happened to Hermann.
-Prost.
-[all] Prost.
Oh, that's very good.
[Antoni] Time to get down
to the matter at hand.
-"Demagogic activities."
-"Demagogic activity."
Oh, right. That sounds dangerous.
'Cause it's a terrifying word.
It is a terrifying word,
but demagogic activities back then
could have been anything.
Let's go back 200 years.
Germany was not one country.
It was dozens of them, maybe 40.
Everywhere, the aristocracy was ruling,
but then, French Revolution happened,
and people in Germany get the idea,
a country does not belong to the king,
it belongs to its people.
-Okay.
-Of course,
the ruling class felt threatened.
So, many people back then were
accused of demagogic activities,
meaning they were looking
for a liberal society.
They might be in favor
of a unified Germany.
It could mean you speak your mind.
It could mean you're wearing
the wrong clothes,
singing the wrong songs.
-And they were put into prison.
-[exhales sharply]
[Antoni] So, it's kind of
a blanket accusation
to ensure that they got
to maintain their palaces
and their way of life, and the rules.
Sure, sure.
[Antoni] One surprising way
people showed their support
for a new democratic Germany was food,
taking humble local ingredients
like bacon,
pickles, and mustard, and turning them
into an unlikely call
for political change.
[sizzling]
-Danke schoen.
-Thank you.
That's delicious.
The sauce that is in this dish reminds me
of the brown gravy that my mother
-put on the chicken fried steak.
-[Antoni] Sure.
[James] Remember when we were
riding horses back in Texas,
I said something along
the lines of [clears throat]
feeling like you've been here before.
This dish, the flavor,
the feel, all of this
-kind of does the same thing.
-Yeah.
It makes me feel like I've been here
before having this dish before.
[Antoni] A world away
from last night's fancy foreign food,
this was traditional German
fare that people like Conring
didn't just eat, but started to celebrate
as a symbol of the more equal
Germany they wanted.
People were looking for, you know,
the German soul, right?
Like, what is it that we all can agree on?
-[James] What is our identity?
-That's right.
What is our identity. And I have to say,
we all can agree on rinderroulade.
[Antoni] But even
the rinderroulade was no match
for the might of the ruling class.
[Heiko] In this document,
the year 1848 is mentioned.
That was very important in German history,
the year of the German revolution.
-Okay.
-In '48, the aristocracies
put troops on the street,
they shot down everyone.
-Shot people?
-Hundreds of people dead.
That was it. The movement was over.
Your ancestor very likely
was part of that movement.
Wow.
It kind of gives your family's history
this nice theme of bravery.
Yeah, yeah. I was yeah, well put.
And I feel the same way,
that they were leaving oppression.
And that, to me, yeah, there's
a lot of courage in that.
[Antoni] It's not surprising
that after getting out of prison,
Hermann Conring wanted to say
auf wiedersehen to Germany
and try his luck
in the Land of Opportunity.
[James] It's great,
it makes you feel proud.
His behavior, his imprisonment,
to come pushing against the class system
and wanting to find
a different way of living.
He just wanted a better life for him,
-for his family, for his kids.
-Yeah, that's I mean,
that's what I'm that's my takeaway.
[Antoni] But our journey
doesn't end with Conring.
I've uncovered another of James' ancestors
who lived in the fairytale
scenery of southern Germany,
but whose life would have
been far from magical.
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[James] Can you believe we started
-all the way from Hanover?
-By foot.
-By foot.
-[laughter]
[Antoni] We are hiking up
to Germany's highest castle,
Falkenstein, where I'm going to give James
some new information about his family.
[Antoni] Bavaria in southeast Germany
is an area as rugged as it is beautiful
defined by the majesty of the Alps
and the pristine valleys below.
I was expecting more goats.
You were? Well, we're the goats today.
[Antoni] Fortunately for James,
I've provided him
with some classic Bavarian footwear.
[clearing throat] Look at us,
-just mountain goat-ing it.
-Oof.
-In these
-What are they called?
I think they're called haferlschuh.
[James] Whoo! Who needs oxygen?
This is incredible.
Yep. It's the scale of it, it's
I mean, look how it just
goes for miles and miles.
-Yeah.
-That's insane.
-Ooh, nice.
-[sighs]
-[Antoni] Cold.
-We
-Yeah.
-[bottles clinking]
[Antoni] Other than being
the perfect setting
for a local beer, this is the best place
to see the old stomping ground
of James' long forgotten ancestor.
Early 1800s, your mother's
paternal side of the family
were actually here in Bavaria.
There was a man
by the name of Johann Dittler.
He was a journeyman
and he was a shoemaker,
and he went into towns and
he would repair people's shoes.
And shoes that were
very popular at the time
whoo, that's a stretch
are these haferlschuh
-which are like hiking
-No way.
-Hiking shoes, I swear.
-Wait, so these babies?
Yeah. So, they look like
a fashion statement,
but they were actually
very useful for people
who were hiking in these mountains.
[Antoni] Born in 1819, Johann Dittler
is James' four-times great-grandfather
on his mother's paternal side.
So, he's traveling around Bavaria.
Fixing these and making these.
-Very rural part of Germany.
-Yeah.
As opposed to
a stark contrast to Hanover.
Much more humble background.
Two completely different Germanys there.
I think I prefer this.
When I'm in this type of landscape,
it does something to me
in a very positive way.
It's a fascinating thing to explore,
like what stays with you,
even over the course of,
you know, several, several generations.
-Mm-hmm.
-I do believe that things
-are passed down.
-Oh yeah.
And imprints that are made, you know,
two centuries ago, can still surface
-in certain ways.
-Right.
[Antoni] Well, with that in mind,
I think walking in
his ancestor's footsteps
might help reveal some of those imprints
James is talking about.
Journeying through Bavaria
in the first half of the 1800s,
Dittler would have encountered
an impoverished isolated kingdom
compared to the tourist
brochure perfection
-we see today.
-[cowbells ringing]
The cattle!
[James] And each one of them have a bell.
It's almost a little too cliché, guys.
Right? [laughing]
[Antoni] The lower classes
would have scraped by
on a meager diet, so our first stop
is restaurant Schlossanger Alp,
which specializes in something
Dittler would have eaten.
"Meet by the back door,"
Chef Bastian said,
I didn't know he meant that literally.
[laughing] I just thought of Westworld.
I was thinking the cold storage unit.
-[Antoni] Sorry to interrupt.
-[laughter]
-No problem.
-On this very intimate affair.
Can I ask what what it used to be?
-It was a deer, yes.
-It was?
A male deer, yeah.
-A male deer.
-Wow.
-Yes. Yes.
-My gosh.
She's the hunter.
-[James] The hunter?
-[Antoni] You hunted this?
-Yes, I shot it.
-Like you shot it with a gun?
-Yes, with a gun.
-Okay.
-I normally just work here.
-Okay.
-At the reception.
-She's our reception.
-But you work at the reception?
-But you're a secret hunter.
-Aren't you? Look at that.
-A secret hunter
-in my spare time, yeah.
-Yeah.
[Antoni] This deer looks incredible.
But Dittler wouldn't have been
eating prime cuts of meat.
He would have had the parts
Chef Bastian likes best.
We use everything the heart,
tongue, the back, everything.
-Ear to hoof.
-Yeah, sure.
'Cause in this region, we don't have
so much money in the past.
I'm excited to see
what you make with this.
Yeah, sure, let's go inside.
[Antoni] And that's why we're here,
because Chef Bastian Ebert makes food
using offcuts, innards, and organs.
This is our kitchen.
These are my sous chefs. Hello.
[Antoni] The only sort of meat
a poor shoemaker like Dittler
would have been able to afford.
[Bastian] We have here
the heart and the tongue.
[Antoni] For me, this all sounds
like a culinary wonderland.
But I'm not convinced James has inherited
his ancestor's taste buds.
My usual rule is that I won't
I don't typically get into
eating organs of animals.
[Antoni] But Bastian does things to offal
which Dittler could have only dreamed of.
So, the tradition is basically
-using ingredients
-Yeah.
that were kind of like
less favored or desired.
-Yeah. Yeah, right.
-And kind of, like,
highlighting them in
a contemporary way, yeah.
[Antoni] Today, Bastian is
preparing us a specialty,
croquette of minced tongue and heart,
deep fried
laid on a bed of crushed bean salad,
garnished with freshly
picked alpine wildflowers.
[Bastian] We add some
mayonnaise of rosemary,
and then sauce,
and green oil of parsley,
the taste of the herbs, yeah.
Yeah, a bit of that sharpness.
I almost don't want to touch it,
'cause it's such
-it is a piece of art.
-You have to, you have to.
-I do. [laughing]
-It's a work of art.
Let's just leave it like this,
I just want to look at it.
I'll consume the art.
So delicate.
I think you're really gonna like it.
This is a once-in-a-lifetime
thing, so, let's just
You're also on the roots of your family.
-That's right, exactly.
-So, you have to.
-To honor you
-Yeah.
-[Antoni] I like that.
-To honor you,
to honor my family.
Mm.
I actually love that.
-Yeah, that was amazing.
-Right?
-Perfect.
-And that sauce is insane.
I need to recalibrate my dining rules.
-Right?
-Yeah.
You got a little something there.
-There. There we go.
-Oh, thanks so much.
See, we're like a little
married couple now.
-Oh, look at that, yeah.
-[laughter]
[Antoni] Obviously, offal as haute cuisine
would have been unrecognizable to Dittler.
But he would have known
the key ingredients.
Thinking about the pride
and the usage of the offal
as Bastian was showing us,
200-plus years ago, it came
from a place of necessity,
'cause that's all that these people
who were on the impoverished
side had to rely on.
I imagine Johann as a shoe cobbler.
-Mm-hmm, yeah.
-You know, it's like,
how simple his life must have been
-Right.
-compared to Conring's.
-You know?
-Mm-hmm, sure.
They were rubbing elbows
with the high society there.
-Yeah.
-And, just complete
stark, stark contrast there,
it's really interesting.
I'm really excited for tomorrow.
Yeah, yeah, me too.
I wonder what what part of the animal
and what animal we'll be eating tomorrow.
[laughing]
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[James] It's pretty cool to know
that my great-great-
great-great-grandfather
invented the shoe that got us
up a mountain yesterday.
[Antoni] Tight little edit.
So, he was fixing and making them.
-But I think somebody else
-[James] No, he invented them.
That's the narrative you want to go with?
-He invented them.
-You know what, you write
-your own history books, yep.
-Don't change my mind on this.
[Antoni] Whether he invented them or not,
with so few records about Dittler,
we're trying to learn more about him
through the food he would have eaten,
maybe even uncovering some links
to James' own food memories.
Along with offal, Johann Dittler
would have relied on two things
still very much present in Bavaria.
Bread and beer.
So, I thought it'd be nice to celebrate
this journey that we've been on,
and go to a beer garden
a little later today.
-Twist my arm.
-[chuckles]
But as local tradition has it,
you have to bring something,
something that you can kind of
like share with everybody.
-Um, so
-Food?
You have to bring something food to 'em?
-Exactly.
-To a beer garden?
-Yeah, yeah.
-Oh. That's tradition.
Yeah, 'cause we're gonna
have like a proper meal.
-Are you a baker?
-No.
-Okay, great, me neither.
-No, but I enjoy baked goods.
[Antoni] Like most town folk back then,
Dittler wouldn't have an oven of his own.
Instead, he'd use a communal one.
-Hi, how are you?
-I'm Antoni, this is James.
-[overlapping greetings]
-James. Hi.
[Antoni] And that's a tradition
the good residents
of Ollarzried don't intend
to stop anytime soon.
Today, they're baking something
Dittler would certainly have eaten,
and James will no doubt enjoy.
We will make German beer brot
beer bread.
Oh, I'm so happy this exists.
-[laughter]
-Great, I'm in.
[Antoni] Just like in Dittler's time,
Teresa and Ulli are using barley beer.
[Antoni] And rye flour
crops that can actually grow
this high up in the mountains.
[laughing]
[Antoni] But the real secret to this bread
lies in the care with which you work it.
-Twist too much.
-Love it slowly.
-Too much power?
-Love it slowly, not quickly.
Okay, imagine it's a woman.
-I was.
-[laughter]
Okay. First time.
Super.
Okay.
[Antoni] While the bread bakes,
I want to show James
how to make another regional specialty
which I have a hunch is gonna
feel pretty familiar to him.
If you don't mind cracking these eggs.
[laughing] Give me the hard part.
[Antoni] We're making schnitzel,
a dish that would have been
popular in Dittler's time.
It's a cutlet coated
in eggs and breadcrumbs,
and awfully similar to a dish
we made in Texas
with James' mom.
-With love.
-With love.
Love. With love.
[Antoni] I'm just wondering
when he's gonna catch on.
-These are nice and thin.
-Yeah.
[Antoni] Maybe when the meat hits the pan.
-So, this one's gonna go in.
-[James] Delicate.
[sizzling]
[James] See, that smell remind
-Right?
-It's that same smell
that we had in the kitchen in Texas.
Bringing me back.
This is the the smell of my childhood.
-Aw, that's nice.
-Going onto the next one here?
Yes, sir.
Perfect. Beautiful.
-Look at that.
-There you go.
[Antoni] It's just a small leap
from schnitzel to chicken fried steak,
but for James, it's a powerful link
to a treasured family recipe.
Look at me, cooking like
my ancestors here.
[Antoni] And a different version
of what your mom made.
It's all coming full circle. I love it.
[Antoni] Germans like Dittler
took this schnitzel recipe
with them to the states, where over time,
the meat of choice became all that steak
being reared on vast Texas ranches.
-Look how golden they are.
-Golden brown.
See, I liked the little
charred bits in there.
-I love a good little char.
-Just a little
-A little more crunch.
-Mm-hmm.
It's crazy, this is so similar
to what we made in Texas
and now here we are in Bavaria
making essentially the same thing.
-But just
-In like the same territory
-that like your ancestor
-No, I know. It's crazy.
-journey-manned on his way.
-Yeah, yeah.
-Should we check on the bread?
-Let's investigate it.
Hello!
Mm.
That's maybe the freshest bread
I've ever had.
Mm-hmm.
[Antoni] Food prepared, we are ready
to hit perhaps Bavaria's
greatest gift to the world,
and the missing piece
in James' family history.
[people chattering]
A beer garden.
-Wow, man.
-It's so cool back here.
-It's like an old
-These trees.
[Antoni] Brewery, drinking hole,
and communal eating place.
-Keep doing this.
-[indistinct chatter]
-Yes.
-[Antoni] Whoa.
-Oh, wow.
-Oh, okay.
-Yeah, yeah.
-[beer pouring]
[Antoni] For old and newfound friends.
-Let's make some room.
-Hey, guys.
[Antoni] Beer gardens are a Bavarian
summertime institution
[James] We have enough
Schnitzel for everybody.
[Antoni] dating back to the 1600s.
Prost. Prost.
Now, I'm supposed to have more power.
-What happened to love?
-[laughing]
[James] What's so funny about that?
[Antoni] What's so funny
about how I said it?
[Antoni] Stephan Albrecht
is the master brewer here
at Rossle Biergarten.
-Oh, wow!
-Whoa.
-Wow.
-Yeah.
-[James] Oh, wow.
-[Antoni] Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's make some room.
[Stephan] Hey, guys,
it's great to have you here.
You prefer dark or a blonde one?
-I'm gonna try both.
-[laughter and chatter]
-[all] Prost.
-[glasses clinking]
[James] My four time grandfather
lived in these areas
I'm imaginging he might have even been here.
-Eating schnitzel.
Propped up against the wall
after about too many of these.
[Antoni] Along with their butchery skills,
baking, and schnitzels
Oh, that's good!
[Antoni] these leafy beer
gardens were one more thing
the Germans took with them to the U.S.,
leaving a lasting impression
on their new home.
[James] Oh!
[Antoni] When we started this journey,
the extent of your knowledge traced back
to the Scholz family, right?
And they had the beer garden
in San Antonio.
Right.
[Antoni] We know Scholz's
beer garden is long gone.
But there's a connection to Dittler
that James knows nothing about.
Dittler, the shoemaker,
he basically emigrated
to Pennsylvania around 1850-ish.
And later on, his granddaughter
married into the Scholz family.
-So, that's the connection.
-Johann's granddaughter
married into the Scholz okay.
-Ah, okay.
-And she helped run
-the beer garden.
-You're kidding.
-Yeah.
-Wow, that just blew my mind.
[Antoni] Johann Dittler's
granddaughter, Ava,
married Adolph Scholz's son
William in 1890
and worked in the Palm Garden
serving beer.
And who knows, maybe even
a chicken fried steak
to a passing demagogue.
That's way further back
and way more information
than I ever, ever had.
And one of the cool things about this trip
has been kind of discovering
what was coming
from all of this 200, 300 years ago,
and you know, what became
an Americanized version of it.
There are elements
that have been passed down
that sort of make their way
through the generations.
-[Antoni] Yeah.
-I just find that fascinating.
It's just kind of blowing
my mind, the whole thing.
And I appreciate you
taking me on this journey.
-Oh my gosh, of course.
-It's been really special, yeah.
Yay, I'm glad. This was so much fun.
Brother. [chuckles]
Shall we go back to our friends?
-Absolutely.
-Okay.
[Antoni] They ate all the schnitzel
while we were chatting,
there's no more left.
[man] First eat, and then talk.
[all] Prost.
[overlapping chatter]
-[James] To all of you.
-[Antoni] Prost. Prost.
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