Suspect: The Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes (2025) s01e03 Episode Script
Episode 3
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[guns firing]
- Everybody, get off the train!
- Move, move!
Everybody, off the train.
Move. Move.
- Move! Move, move!
- [people clamouring]
Come on, move!
Sarah! Sarah!
He could have a bomb on him!
- Move!
- He could have a bomb on him!
Move!
Come on! Move!
- [all chattering indistinctly]
- Is he on the train?
I need to know
if he's on the train or not?
Suspect has been shot.
By CO19?
Do we have any more information?
I'm hearing "No explosion.
No other casualties."
Right.
Let's stay focused please,
let's keep the flow of information
coming in.
- [muttering in Portuguese]
- [automated voice] I'm sorry,
but the person you've called
is not available.
You all right?
Just need a shower,
you know, get this stuff off me.
You know, I heard State Red
called over the radio.
Me too.
"Stop him getting on the tube," I heard.
Come on, we need to get out of here.
Come on.
You all right? Come on.
That's an all clear down here.
No explosive present on the body.
I've just been told a suspect's been
shot dead by CO19 officers.
Shot dead? Good grief.
It's believed he's one of the bombers
we were hunting for
after yesterday's failed attacks.
- What happened?
- Well, there are witnesses saying
that he jumped the barriers
and then ran onto the platform.
We tracked him to an address last night
in Tulse Hill.
And then after he left there this morning,
we followed him to Stockwell Station.
A mobile phone's been retrieved
from the scene.
Are there others still
at the target address?
Well, that operation is still ongoing,
but things are gonna get complicated.
The IPCC, they'll have to have access
to everything?
No. We can't allow that
to compromise an ongoing operation,
not at a moment like this.
But after a shooting, protocol now
is that any referral is automatic.
I do not want a police complaints unit
crawling all over a life or death
Met operation
In the next few minutes, we could have
other terrorists attacking the city.
More lives could be at risk.
This needs decisive action.
What do you want to do?
Right, listen, before you say anything,
first speak to your Police Federation rep.
- Right?
- Yeah.
Now, I didn't make a record of anything
you said down on the platform
because it was all in the heat
of the moment and that's not fair to you.
Right?
It was take him out or everyone
in that carriage dies,
that's what was going through my head.
Just save it for your statement.
- Yeah.
- Okay.
Good morning,
welcome to a BBC News special.
There is now a major security alert
at Stockwell Tube Station in South London.
Within the past few minutes, Scotland Yard
have confirmed that armed officers
have shot a man on the underground
just after ten o'clock this morning
Yeah, I was aware the train wasn't moving.
And then I heard someone say,
"that's him."
He was just wearing a jeans jacket,
just normal like.
To me, it just seemed that he was just
sitting there minding his own business.
Do I have to do this right now?
I'm feeling really shaky, sorry.
I'm sorry but it's important
that we do this whilst it's fresh
in your memory.
And there was just you and Sarah
got off the train, together.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
Can I at least have Gareth with me then?
'Cause we were together on the train and
No, sorry. This has to be your statement
and yours alone,
you can't collude with anybody else on it.
So, as you got on the tube,
did the police officers shout out
a warning to the man?
No. No, I remember one of them
saying "that's him."
No, no, nothing was said by them
before they shot him.
Walked in, started shooting
And I remember that very specifically
'cause afterwards Sarah and I
looked at each other
and like, we had no idea
whether these men were police, terrorists,
were they somebody else?
We just had no idea.
[witness] I saw him come running in,
being chased, chased by the police
and then he kind of just vaulted
over the barrier
and then legged it down the escalator.
- [reporter] And what was he wearing?
- A baseball cap a-and, and this thick,
thick padded coat.
Like something you'd wear in winter
Sorry, is he supposed to be talking
about the man that got shot?
Not sure.
I mean, he can't,
he can't be talking about him.
'Cause I, I saw him get on the train.
He was just normal.
He, and he didn't look like
he'd been running.
He, he didn't, he wasn't wearing
any bulky clothing.
- He was just wearing like a denim jacket.
- We can't control
what people say on news reports.
If we can get back
to your statement, please.
Now then, what station did you get on?
Clapham North. With my boyfriend Gareth.
- And you were travelling North?
- Yeah.
The suspect was shot dead by CO19
at around 10:06.
The scene is now secure
and I'm handing over control
of the incident to you.
I had a look at your loggist's notes
and they don't start until 9:52?
That's after the suspect had left
the address in Scotia Road, isn't it?
Yeah. The first hour was appalling,
you know, no structure.
But I think we got a grip of things
after that.
So you're the first officer to authorize
a Kratos operation?
No. It never became Kratos.
And I want to be quite clear about this.
I never authorized the use
of a critical shot.
Okay.
Well, can I have
your decision log, please?
I'm going to compile that myself.
You're doing it?
Yes, yes.
My practice is always to do it myself.
My memory of events is very good.
Well, shall we?
[reporter] We've been awaiting to see
whether the police
would be able to tell us anymore
about the hunt for the people responsible
for the incidents in London yesterday.
And they haven't been forthcoming
with any press conference so far.
Perhaps one of the reasons was that there
was already an ongoing situation
which has culminated in a man being shot
at the South London
Underground Station.
[female news anchor]
We're gonna go over to Stockwell now.
- [knocking on door]
- [man] I didn't see him carry anything.
I didn't see into his bag,
to be quite honest.
- [Ibrahim] Sumaila.
- [knocking on door]
Sumaila.
Why didn't you fucking open
the door quicker? She just saw us.
We need to clear this place out
and get out of here.
[Sumaila] I've already started.
- Have you seen that guy has been shot?
- I thought it was you.
Anyway, what the fuck
happened to you yesterday?
They're only talking about four bombers
on the news.
Mine didn't go off.
What about the detonator?
That didn't go off either.
So I just dumped my backpack in a bush.
There was nothing wrong
with the detonator.
So what are you gonna do, stay here?
No fucking way.
They're gonna come after us,
you know that.
We have to get as far away from here
as possible.
I've got a mate up in Birmingham.
You need to get there tonight.
[reporter] What are the eyewitnesses
saying about the man who was shot?
[man] One eyewitness said that he leapt
over the ticket barriers
pursued by the police and then
disappeared into bowels of the station.
We didn't know whether he was
a fare dodger or people were after him.
No idea what was happening at the time.
Just complete panic and confusion.
Literally until now we really just
They've started shooting people now.
I need my brother's passport!
I need to get out of here now!
[Ian Blair] I'm sorry, Nick, but the idea
that we treat this in the same way
as we would any other police shooting
is just not possible.
I don't have any difficulty with that,
but I'm not sure
that suspending powers is the answer?
Well, that is what I am asking
the Home Office to do.
That the relevant legislation be suspended
in the circumstances.
Leaving us to get on with the job
in whatever way we need,
without interference, or hinderance.
This is totally unprecedented.
Nick, there is no role for the IPCC
in this shooting at this time.
We can't allow this shooting to derail
this afternoon's press conference
and the appeal for information
on yesterday's bombers.
We must keep that front and centre.
We have good CCTV images
of all four of them, now we need names.
We must not get sidetracked.
Do we know yet if the man shot
is one of the four suspects?
No, unfortunately we don't.
If we could establish that,
it would make things so much simpler.
[reporter] It was just after ten o'clock
this morning that police threw a cordon
around Stockwell Tube Station
in South London.
Below ground plain clothed officers
had chased
Can we help you, Brian?
suspected bomber down onto a platform
and into a train
Has he really refused the IPCC access
to the scene?
He felt he had no choice.
- Brian.
- Yeah.
Dear me, you'll never guess
what we've done now.
What?
The suspect, the man who was shot
What about him?
Well, it turns out he's
We know there are rumours sweeping London
and I really do appeal for people
to listen to the facts as they emerge.
I can say that as part of operations
linked to yesterday's incidents,
Met police officers have shot a man
inside Stockwell Underground Station
at approximately 10:00 a.m. this morning.
The man was pronounced dead at the scene.
As I understand the situation,
the man was challenged
and refused to obey police instructions.
I can't go further on that at this stage.
And I hand you over to Andy Hayman.
[Hayman] Thank you, Commissioner.
I'd like to start off by reminding
everyone that two weeks ago,
we stated our objectives
for this investigation.
[Hitchcock] What's wrong?
[Paddock] I was just told by Moir Stewart
outside of Ian Blair's office
that the man we shot
was a Brazilian tourist.
So, clearly, he's not one of the four guys
we're looking for
Yet Ian's out there talking about him
refusing to obey instructions?
As if he was a terrorist.
[reporter] The image we're now showing
shows a man running away
from the Northern Line
at the Oval Underground Station
- at approximately 12:34.
- Fuck!
- That's you.
- We believe this man
had travelled northbound
on the Northern Line
from Stockwell Underground Station
to the Oval.
Do you recognize any of these men?
Did you see them at the three
underground stations
So, I'm sure you're all now aware
of the shooting by CO19 officers
at Stockwell Tube Station.
We have obtained documentation
on the body of the deceased
which pertains to a Brazilian national,
a Mr. Jean Charles De Menezes.
But formal identification
is not yet confirmed,
and until it is, we won't be releasing
that he's not one of the four
would-be bombers from yesterday.
Alan, Andy Hayman's just gone
on national television
with photos of four bombers,
asking for the public's help
in identifying them.
If we're saying we're still looking
for four bombers,
clearly the dead man isn't one of them.
I've been told it's the line we're taking.
Okay.
[woman] Can you give us a hand, please?
- What do you want?
- Everyone's got a bit?
Unroll and then gonna roll him back
onto here, okay?
Okay.
[woman] Ready, steady, roll.
- You got it?
- [man] Yeah.
Okay.
Strap his body first, please.
Yeah, secure.
[man] Can you strap this here?
[woman] Strap his body first, please.
Secure, secure.
Can you get this strap here?
[woman] Hold his arm, hold his arm,
I'll get it.
Hold his hands, please,
so he doesn't fall.
Got it, got it, got it.
Make sure his hands are in.
Make sure his arms
are in the straps, please.
Okay, secured.
And lift.
- Ready, steady, lift.
- Lift.
They chased him into the station
I, I can tell you that.
And he, he run into the bit
where you get your tickets
and then he, he just,
he jumped over the barrier
-and down the escalator.
- [reporter] What did he look like?
Not right. I mean, it's a hot day
and he had a, like, thick jacket on
I reckon this will be coming our way
pretty soon.
I've heard that the Met are refusing
to let us on the scene,
or interview any of the officers involved.
Really?
How about the man shot today at Stockwell
was under police surveillance?
Ah, Andy, what do you think of this
for the basis of an updated statement
The man shot today at Stockwell
was under police surveillance
after he left the house under observation
as a result of our inquiries
following the incidents yesterday.
People must understand
that the intelligence led the police there
and that you thought
he could be dangerous.
- [Ian Blair] Exactly.
- Well, there is press running
that the man shot was not one
of the four bombers.
Okay, what we need to present is this,
that he is believed to be.
This is different to confirming
that he actually is.
Yes, okay. Also, his behaviour reported
at the scene added to the circumstances.
So, we have one,
that he came from the address.
Two, his behaviour.
And three, he was followed by officers,
and this led to the shooting.
Agreed?
Mmm. I'll draft something.
[reporter] It's a sight and sound
the capitol's come to dread.
But today, it signalled the death of a man
the police believe was involved
in the murderous bomb attacks
on London's transport system.
They say the way the man was behaving
as he entered the station,
the way he was dressed,
and most important,
his refusal to stop when challenged
all contributed to the decision
to shoot him.
[chuckles] At last!
- Hey. Hi, Lana. Hey.
- Hey.
I'm really sorry, I can't make it tonight.
- I've got to cover the news desk.
- [Louise] Why?
Someone's called in sick.
I just got promoted.
I can't leave them in the lurch.
I'm sorry. Sorry, I've got to go.
- Bye.
- Bye.
Bye.
He's doing really well for himself,
isn't he?
Yeah, I suppose.
Anyway, sod him.
We can still go out and have a good time.
[reporter] With another major forensic
investigation underway,
we don't know who the dead man is.
Only that police officers considered it
too much of a risk
to capture him alive.
[Payne] Thank you for seeing us, Gesio.
I'm sorry, I know it's late.
We know from his phone records
that you were the last person he called,
so it's important that we talk to you.
It's okay
When you said it was about Jean Charles,
I couldn't wait until tomorrow.
I was supposed to meet him
yesterday morning
and he never lets me down.
So where is he?
Well, first of all, let's make sure
we're talking about the same person.
[Gesio] Yeah.
That's Jean Charles.
Look, I have to ask you whether you think
it's possible Jean Charles
may have been a terrorist?
[chuckles] Are you crazy?
The guy's an electrician.
No way. That's impossible.
He's never been involved
in anything like that.
Is that what you think that he is?
We haven't come
to any firm conclusions yet,
but we need to establish the facts.
How long have you known him?
You know, we've been working together for,
for a couple of years now.
You in touch with his family?
I know, I know he lives with his cousins.
I can get a number for Patricia. I'm sure.
But where is he? Is he okay?
There was an incident on a tube train
yesterday morning involving him.
I'm very sorry,
but he may not have survived.
I can't say any more at this stage.
[reporter] Mr. Blair, please,
any information that you've got.
Any comment, Commissioner,
on how the police are handling
the current situation?
How can you be sure
there won't be any more attacks?
What I will say is this
The Met is playing out of its socks.
[Brown] There's now no doubt
the man shot yesterday
has no connections to terrorism.
It's a disaster.
Why was he at the address?
It's a block of flats.
I thought I'd heard it was a house?
No, that was an error.
The man lives in number 17.
The target address was the floor above,
number 21.
A complete bloody disaster.
What about that address?
Number 21?
Well, surveillance continued
through yesterday,
but they've now raided it
and it was found to be empty.
The IPCC will now have to be given
full access.
So they'll take over the scene
and start interviewing everybody.
So who was he?
Just an innocent bloke
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And there's something else
you should know.
I've heard it on good authority
that Commander Dick is saying
this was not a Kratos operation,
and that she never gave the order
for a critical shot to be taken.
Which means we're on our own.
[woman sobbing]
[sombre music playing]
Patricia.
[man] Sir, you can't go in there.
- You can't go in there.
- [gasps]
- [speaking Portuguese]
- Oh, my God!
This was an execution.
[reporter] The Metropolitan Police
say the man
shot dead on
the London underground yesterday,
was not connected to the hunt
for Thursday's bombers.
Scotland Yard identified him
as Jean Charles de Menezes,
a 27-year-old Brazilian.
Police said the man's death was a tragedy,
but in a statement, said he had emerged
from a house under surveillance
and his behaviour was suspicious.
[Paddick] Okay,
new statement just released
and they're still using the clothing
and behaviour line.
This is making a bad, sorry,
this is making a horrible situation
even worse.
And we can't keep doing this.
We can't keep being the same old Met,
we need transparency.
Didn't he vault the ticket barrier
and run away?
Well, I don't know,
but if he's innocent, why mention it?
It's like we're saying, "Sorry we killed
you, but it was sort of your own fault."
And I know Cressida Dick is saying
this was not a Kratos operation
and she didn't authorize a critical shot,
but her firearms officers were briefed
that the target was a suicide bomber
and their weapons were loaded
with hollow-point ammunition.
The moment she gave the order
that that man must not be allowed
to board the train,
it was only going to end one way.
She's saying it was at the discretion
of the firearms officers.
If there was any doubt in their minds
that the suspect was a suicide bomber,
they should challenge him
and react as the situation develops.
Okay. But that's not what happened, is it?
At least according to the members
of the public in that carriage.
Because they say there were no warnings
shouted before the shooting started.
- Well, how certain are they?
- How many were there?
Seventeen.
And how many say
there were no warnings shouted?
Seventeen.
Okay, so run it by me again, all right?
You hit the front,
and that's 10:05.
Who was first down the escalator?
Our group was behind you
as you ran down the escalator.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Who was first into the carriage?
- That was me.
- And I, I was behind him.
Okay, Charlie 12 then Charlie 2, yeah,
and that was 10.06.
Suspect had been ID'd over the radio
as Nettle Tip.
Then I shouted "Armed police!"
Er He ignored the challenge.
Then he stood up and came at me.
[Hale] Okay, right, let's get started.
You've all had access to advice
from your Police Federation rep
and a solicitor. Yes?
- Yes?
- Yeah.
Good. So, take your time
and make your statements as accurate
and as thorough as possible.
[Bixel] I believe our future as
an independent body tasked with holding
UK policing to account is on the line.
Three days ago, Brazilian national,
Jean Charles De Menezes,
was shot dead by CO19 firearms officers
at Stockwell Tube Station.
The Met has now finally given us access
and we are able to examine,
in the greatest detail,
how and why that happened.
This is Jean Charles de Menezes
entering Stockwell Tube Station
at 10:00 a.m.
He collects a Metro newspaper
and heads towards the barriers.
He uses his Oyster card,
and walks towards the escalators,
down to the train.
You might be thinking,
"Haven't I read stuff about Mr. Menezes
wearing bulky clothing and vaulting
a ticket barrier?"
If we forward the tape a few minutes,
we can see that the man wearing
bulky clothing and vaulting the barrier
is, in fact, a firearms officer.
Members of the public simply mistook him
for the suspect.
So, why haven't the Met corrected this?
Why are they still saying
that his clothing was suspicious
when he is clearly just wearing
a jean jacket?
That's a question for them, I'm afraid.
This is the view from inside the carriage
after the shooting.
It's, er
It's pretty harrowing.
[reporter] The tragic shooting by
the police of an innocent man
has not derailed out efforts
to track down and arrest the four men
suspected of attempting to carry out
terrorist bombings in London on July 21st.
If you recognize any of these men
or have any further information
about the attack
You see the pictures of those guys
the police are after on the news?
Not really.
Don't you think one of them looks
a little bit like the guy
you used to hang around with?
I can't remember his name.
[Asiedu] I'll have to have a look.
There was a lot of guys coming in and out
of Curtis House while I was there.
You want to be careful,
getting mixed up with guys like that.
- Hey, wait, what the fuck?
- It's okay, it's okay. It's me!
Come on. Drive, Bobo.
We need to get out of here.
I've seen your picture on the news.
Why the fuck are you dressed like this?
Mate, we've gotta go or I'm fucked.
Drive the fucking car.
[reporter] The Metropolitan Police have
now released the names of four suspects.
Yassin Hassan Omar from Southwark.
Muktar Said Ibrahim from North London.
Ramzi Mohammed from West London
and Hussain Osman from South London.
There are fast-moving developments today
in connection with this manhunt,
but the police are appealing
to the public
for help in establishing the whereabouts
of these men.
- [detective] These ones here?
- Yeah, just here.
Okay. You did the right thing calling us.
[liaison officer] This is him passing
through customs at Waterloo yesterday
using his brother's passport.
He took the train to Paris,
but from there,
we believe he headed for Rome
where his brother lives.
It goes without saying
that he's extremely dangerous.
[aide officer] Just tell me what you need.
[Bixel] I've watched all the tapes back,
but the footage I want isn't there.
See, the problem is the rubber feet.
We're in the process of changing them over
'cause they don't really damp down
the vibration enough.
This is the hard drive,
and there's the feet.
That would be my guess
for the gaps in the recordings.
Here's where the hard drive
for the CCTV is stored.
When we came to retrieve it,
we discovered it was missing.
We checked our records,
and we realized it was removed
after the 7/7 bombings, but not replaced,
that's why there's no CCTV
from the train that morning.
It seems to me
that they had to kill someone
to show the population that
they're making the country safe.
Jean Charles never did anything wrong.
My cousin had no reason to run,
unlike they say, like some fugitive.
He had nothing to hide.
The police, they should be ashamed
to shoot someone in the head like that.
There's no explanation
to what they have done.
They have shown that they are incapable
and, and, and stupid.
I think that is extraordinarily unfair.
For the record, was he working, legally?
I thought I'd heard his visa expired?
The Home Office are still looking into it.
Well, the problem is this puts us totally
on the back foot.
Where are these men?
Well, we do have strong leads and you,
you know about the device yesterday
- that was found in west London?
- Similar in composition to the others?
That's right. Well, in connection to that,
a man's handed himself in.
We think he's the fifth member
of the cell.
Lost his nerve, dumped the device in
a park without attempting to detonate it.
Okay. That's more like it.
I'm telling you the only reason I came
was because I know Omar and Muktar.
I'm not some terrorist
or anything like that.
I saw someone on TV who looked like Omar,
and I know he's friends
with this Muktar guy,
so I thought I'd better come
and let you know.
But you admit to living at number 58
Curtis House?
Yeah.
You realize that bomb-making equipment,
including bottles of peroxide
were found at Curtis House?
Bomb-making?
I don't know anything about that.
I don't even know what peroxide is,
to be honest with you.
[Norland] So where are these men now?
Thanks.
Coming in?
No, you shouldn't have any visitors.
Understand.
- Armed police! Armed police!
- Go! Go! Go! Go!
He's upstairs in the bathroom.
Omar, we are armed officers
- What's in the backpack?
- [Omar] Shoot me.
Get your fucking hands up!
Get your hands up!
Fucking hands!
Give me your hands. Give me your hands!
[officer] Taser, taser, taser!
Using a Taser in that situation
was not an option.
If that had been a bomb in his backpack,
an electrical charge from a Taser
could have set it off!
Well, he's now under arrest
and nobody died.
Two incidents, one where lethal force
is used and we are criticized for it,
the other where it absolutely
should have been but wasn't.
The public should quite rightly
be expecting
some sort of consistency from us.
Where do we go?
Everybody's seen our faces.
There is nothing left for us to do now,
but to die as martyrs.
This is my insurance.
When they see me holding this,
they'll definitely shoot me.
[inaudible]
You're sure they're still in there?
Movement's been spotted
through the blinds.
What's happening in Italy?
[Hayman] The Italians, they've identified
an address where they think he might be.
Ibrahim and Mohammed,
you need to come out now, yeah?
All right? We've got armed officers
covering the building.
All we want is for this situation
to end peacefully.
So, remove your clothing first
and then come out.
[Ibrahim] I can't breathe.
[officer] No movement spotted.
[negotiator] We need to see
that you don't have any devices on you.
[Mohammed] So do we die like martyrs?
[Ibrahim] Fuck it. [coughs]
I'm going out.
[officer] No movement.
Come out with your hands clearly visible.
[officer] Target's moving.
[female officer] Stop, turn around.
Hands behind your back.
You are making a big mistake.
We are not together anymore.
I had no idea what he was doing.
[female officer] Now you! Turn towards me!
Walk towards me!
Stop! Turn around!
Hands behind your back!
[officer] Targets detained.
That's Rome.
Osman's in the bag as well.
Well, that's all of them.
Then it's all good news at last.
[woman on PA] Next station is Waterloo.
Doors will open on the right-hand side.
[protestors chanting] Justice for Jean!
Justice for Jean!
Justice for Jean! Justice for Jean!
[inaudible]
[Hardwick] CCTV missing from the bus,
the station and the carriage
and you factor in the three days
we weren't given access to the scenes,
or the investigation by the Met.
It's certainly not a good look.
[woman 1] I saw him get on the train,
he was just normal.
It didn't look like he'd been running.
He wasn't wearing bulky clothing.
He just had like a denim jacket on.
[woman 2] He weren't wearing
a thick coat
or anything like they are saying.
Just normal-looking.
[woman 3] Do I have to do this right now?
I'm feeling really shaky, sorry.
[woman 4] They just walked up to him
and started shooting.
Didn't say a word.
He's here!
[woman 4] It just seemed like
he was sitting there
minding his own business.
I keep waiting for the police to just,
just come clean.
To admit that all of the stuff
that they said about Jean Charles, thanks.
The vaulting the barrier,
the bulky clothing,
all of this bullshit they've put out there
isn't true.
But they won't be honest
about what happened.
That it was their failings
that led to the death of an innocent man.
And I can't stop thinking
about the family.
Lana, you've gotta let Neil
tell this story.
What the police are doing now
is what they always do.
They kick stuff like this
into the long grass,
and hope that eventually
everybody forgets, or stops caring.
I can give you advice
on how to cover your tracks
when you download documents to print them
off so they can't trace it back to you.
We don't see you on screen,
or even use your name.
Look, whatever you say,
whatever reassurances you give me now,
we all know that if I go public with this,
I'm going to lose my job.
Or maybe worse.
- Hey.
- Hey.
I left my purse in the office.
- That's fine, you head up.
- Just been to the gym.
[doorbell rings]
[guns firing]
- Everybody, get off the train!
- Move, move!
Everybody, off the train.
Move. Move.
- Move! Move, move!
- [people clamouring]
Come on, move!
Sarah! Sarah!
He could have a bomb on him!
- Move!
- He could have a bomb on him!
Move!
Come on! Move!
- [all chattering indistinctly]
- Is he on the train?
I need to know
if he's on the train or not?
Suspect has been shot.
By CO19?
Do we have any more information?
I'm hearing "No explosion.
No other casualties."
Right.
Let's stay focused please,
let's keep the flow of information
coming in.
- [muttering in Portuguese]
- [automated voice] I'm sorry,
but the person you've called
is not available.
You all right?
Just need a shower,
you know, get this stuff off me.
You know, I heard State Red
called over the radio.
Me too.
"Stop him getting on the tube," I heard.
Come on, we need to get out of here.
Come on.
You all right? Come on.
That's an all clear down here.
No explosive present on the body.
I've just been told a suspect's been
shot dead by CO19 officers.
Shot dead? Good grief.
It's believed he's one of the bombers
we were hunting for
after yesterday's failed attacks.
- What happened?
- Well, there are witnesses saying
that he jumped the barriers
and then ran onto the platform.
We tracked him to an address last night
in Tulse Hill.
And then after he left there this morning,
we followed him to Stockwell Station.
A mobile phone's been retrieved
from the scene.
Are there others still
at the target address?
Well, that operation is still ongoing,
but things are gonna get complicated.
The IPCC, they'll have to have access
to everything?
No. We can't allow that
to compromise an ongoing operation,
not at a moment like this.
But after a shooting, protocol now
is that any referral is automatic.
I do not want a police complaints unit
crawling all over a life or death
Met operation
In the next few minutes, we could have
other terrorists attacking the city.
More lives could be at risk.
This needs decisive action.
What do you want to do?
Right, listen, before you say anything,
first speak to your Police Federation rep.
- Right?
- Yeah.
Now, I didn't make a record of anything
you said down on the platform
because it was all in the heat
of the moment and that's not fair to you.
Right?
It was take him out or everyone
in that carriage dies,
that's what was going through my head.
Just save it for your statement.
- Yeah.
- Okay.
Good morning,
welcome to a BBC News special.
There is now a major security alert
at Stockwell Tube Station in South London.
Within the past few minutes, Scotland Yard
have confirmed that armed officers
have shot a man on the underground
just after ten o'clock this morning
Yeah, I was aware the train wasn't moving.
And then I heard someone say,
"that's him."
He was just wearing a jeans jacket,
just normal like.
To me, it just seemed that he was just
sitting there minding his own business.
Do I have to do this right now?
I'm feeling really shaky, sorry.
I'm sorry but it's important
that we do this whilst it's fresh
in your memory.
And there was just you and Sarah
got off the train, together.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
Can I at least have Gareth with me then?
'Cause we were together on the train and
No, sorry. This has to be your statement
and yours alone,
you can't collude with anybody else on it.
So, as you got on the tube,
did the police officers shout out
a warning to the man?
No. No, I remember one of them
saying "that's him."
No, no, nothing was said by them
before they shot him.
Walked in, started shooting
And I remember that very specifically
'cause afterwards Sarah and I
looked at each other
and like, we had no idea
whether these men were police, terrorists,
were they somebody else?
We just had no idea.
[witness] I saw him come running in,
being chased, chased by the police
and then he kind of just vaulted
over the barrier
and then legged it down the escalator.
- [reporter] And what was he wearing?
- A baseball cap a-and, and this thick,
thick padded coat.
Like something you'd wear in winter
Sorry, is he supposed to be talking
about the man that got shot?
Not sure.
I mean, he can't,
he can't be talking about him.
'Cause I, I saw him get on the train.
He was just normal.
He, and he didn't look like
he'd been running.
He, he didn't, he wasn't wearing
any bulky clothing.
- He was just wearing like a denim jacket.
- We can't control
what people say on news reports.
If we can get back
to your statement, please.
Now then, what station did you get on?
Clapham North. With my boyfriend Gareth.
- And you were travelling North?
- Yeah.
The suspect was shot dead by CO19
at around 10:06.
The scene is now secure
and I'm handing over control
of the incident to you.
I had a look at your loggist's notes
and they don't start until 9:52?
That's after the suspect had left
the address in Scotia Road, isn't it?
Yeah. The first hour was appalling,
you know, no structure.
But I think we got a grip of things
after that.
So you're the first officer to authorize
a Kratos operation?
No. It never became Kratos.
And I want to be quite clear about this.
I never authorized the use
of a critical shot.
Okay.
Well, can I have
your decision log, please?
I'm going to compile that myself.
You're doing it?
Yes, yes.
My practice is always to do it myself.
My memory of events is very good.
Well, shall we?
[reporter] We've been awaiting to see
whether the police
would be able to tell us anymore
about the hunt for the people responsible
for the incidents in London yesterday.
And they haven't been forthcoming
with any press conference so far.
Perhaps one of the reasons was that there
was already an ongoing situation
which has culminated in a man being shot
at the South London
Underground Station.
[female news anchor]
We're gonna go over to Stockwell now.
- [knocking on door]
- [man] I didn't see him carry anything.
I didn't see into his bag,
to be quite honest.
- [Ibrahim] Sumaila.
- [knocking on door]
Sumaila.
Why didn't you fucking open
the door quicker? She just saw us.
We need to clear this place out
and get out of here.
[Sumaila] I've already started.
- Have you seen that guy has been shot?
- I thought it was you.
Anyway, what the fuck
happened to you yesterday?
They're only talking about four bombers
on the news.
Mine didn't go off.
What about the detonator?
That didn't go off either.
So I just dumped my backpack in a bush.
There was nothing wrong
with the detonator.
So what are you gonna do, stay here?
No fucking way.
They're gonna come after us,
you know that.
We have to get as far away from here
as possible.
I've got a mate up in Birmingham.
You need to get there tonight.
[reporter] What are the eyewitnesses
saying about the man who was shot?
[man] One eyewitness said that he leapt
over the ticket barriers
pursued by the police and then
disappeared into bowels of the station.
We didn't know whether he was
a fare dodger or people were after him.
No idea what was happening at the time.
Just complete panic and confusion.
Literally until now we really just
They've started shooting people now.
I need my brother's passport!
I need to get out of here now!
[Ian Blair] I'm sorry, Nick, but the idea
that we treat this in the same way
as we would any other police shooting
is just not possible.
I don't have any difficulty with that,
but I'm not sure
that suspending powers is the answer?
Well, that is what I am asking
the Home Office to do.
That the relevant legislation be suspended
in the circumstances.
Leaving us to get on with the job
in whatever way we need,
without interference, or hinderance.
This is totally unprecedented.
Nick, there is no role for the IPCC
in this shooting at this time.
We can't allow this shooting to derail
this afternoon's press conference
and the appeal for information
on yesterday's bombers.
We must keep that front and centre.
We have good CCTV images
of all four of them, now we need names.
We must not get sidetracked.
Do we know yet if the man shot
is one of the four suspects?
No, unfortunately we don't.
If we could establish that,
it would make things so much simpler.
[reporter] It was just after ten o'clock
this morning that police threw a cordon
around Stockwell Tube Station
in South London.
Below ground plain clothed officers
had chased
Can we help you, Brian?
suspected bomber down onto a platform
and into a train
Has he really refused the IPCC access
to the scene?
He felt he had no choice.
- Brian.
- Yeah.
Dear me, you'll never guess
what we've done now.
What?
The suspect, the man who was shot
What about him?
Well, it turns out he's
We know there are rumours sweeping London
and I really do appeal for people
to listen to the facts as they emerge.
I can say that as part of operations
linked to yesterday's incidents,
Met police officers have shot a man
inside Stockwell Underground Station
at approximately 10:00 a.m. this morning.
The man was pronounced dead at the scene.
As I understand the situation,
the man was challenged
and refused to obey police instructions.
I can't go further on that at this stage.
And I hand you over to Andy Hayman.
[Hayman] Thank you, Commissioner.
I'd like to start off by reminding
everyone that two weeks ago,
we stated our objectives
for this investigation.
[Hitchcock] What's wrong?
[Paddock] I was just told by Moir Stewart
outside of Ian Blair's office
that the man we shot
was a Brazilian tourist.
So, clearly, he's not one of the four guys
we're looking for
Yet Ian's out there talking about him
refusing to obey instructions?
As if he was a terrorist.
[reporter] The image we're now showing
shows a man running away
from the Northern Line
at the Oval Underground Station
- at approximately 12:34.
- Fuck!
- That's you.
- We believe this man
had travelled northbound
on the Northern Line
from Stockwell Underground Station
to the Oval.
Do you recognize any of these men?
Did you see them at the three
underground stations
So, I'm sure you're all now aware
of the shooting by CO19 officers
at Stockwell Tube Station.
We have obtained documentation
on the body of the deceased
which pertains to a Brazilian national,
a Mr. Jean Charles De Menezes.
But formal identification
is not yet confirmed,
and until it is, we won't be releasing
that he's not one of the four
would-be bombers from yesterday.
Alan, Andy Hayman's just gone
on national television
with photos of four bombers,
asking for the public's help
in identifying them.
If we're saying we're still looking
for four bombers,
clearly the dead man isn't one of them.
I've been told it's the line we're taking.
Okay.
[woman] Can you give us a hand, please?
- What do you want?
- Everyone's got a bit?
Unroll and then gonna roll him back
onto here, okay?
Okay.
[woman] Ready, steady, roll.
- You got it?
- [man] Yeah.
Okay.
Strap his body first, please.
Yeah, secure.
[man] Can you strap this here?
[woman] Strap his body first, please.
Secure, secure.
Can you get this strap here?
[woman] Hold his arm, hold his arm,
I'll get it.
Hold his hands, please,
so he doesn't fall.
Got it, got it, got it.
Make sure his hands are in.
Make sure his arms
are in the straps, please.
Okay, secured.
And lift.
- Ready, steady, lift.
- Lift.
They chased him into the station
I, I can tell you that.
And he, he run into the bit
where you get your tickets
and then he, he just,
he jumped over the barrier
-and down the escalator.
- [reporter] What did he look like?
Not right. I mean, it's a hot day
and he had a, like, thick jacket on
I reckon this will be coming our way
pretty soon.
I've heard that the Met are refusing
to let us on the scene,
or interview any of the officers involved.
Really?
How about the man shot today at Stockwell
was under police surveillance?
Ah, Andy, what do you think of this
for the basis of an updated statement
The man shot today at Stockwell
was under police surveillance
after he left the house under observation
as a result of our inquiries
following the incidents yesterday.
People must understand
that the intelligence led the police there
and that you thought
he could be dangerous.
- [Ian Blair] Exactly.
- Well, there is press running
that the man shot was not one
of the four bombers.
Okay, what we need to present is this,
that he is believed to be.
This is different to confirming
that he actually is.
Yes, okay. Also, his behaviour reported
at the scene added to the circumstances.
So, we have one,
that he came from the address.
Two, his behaviour.
And three, he was followed by officers,
and this led to the shooting.
Agreed?
Mmm. I'll draft something.
[reporter] It's a sight and sound
the capitol's come to dread.
But today, it signalled the death of a man
the police believe was involved
in the murderous bomb attacks
on London's transport system.
They say the way the man was behaving
as he entered the station,
the way he was dressed,
and most important,
his refusal to stop when challenged
all contributed to the decision
to shoot him.
[chuckles] At last!
- Hey. Hi, Lana. Hey.
- Hey.
I'm really sorry, I can't make it tonight.
- I've got to cover the news desk.
- [Louise] Why?
Someone's called in sick.
I just got promoted.
I can't leave them in the lurch.
I'm sorry. Sorry, I've got to go.
- Bye.
- Bye.
Bye.
He's doing really well for himself,
isn't he?
Yeah, I suppose.
Anyway, sod him.
We can still go out and have a good time.
[reporter] With another major forensic
investigation underway,
we don't know who the dead man is.
Only that police officers considered it
too much of a risk
to capture him alive.
[Payne] Thank you for seeing us, Gesio.
I'm sorry, I know it's late.
We know from his phone records
that you were the last person he called,
so it's important that we talk to you.
It's okay
When you said it was about Jean Charles,
I couldn't wait until tomorrow.
I was supposed to meet him
yesterday morning
and he never lets me down.
So where is he?
Well, first of all, let's make sure
we're talking about the same person.
[Gesio] Yeah.
That's Jean Charles.
Look, I have to ask you whether you think
it's possible Jean Charles
may have been a terrorist?
[chuckles] Are you crazy?
The guy's an electrician.
No way. That's impossible.
He's never been involved
in anything like that.
Is that what you think that he is?
We haven't come
to any firm conclusions yet,
but we need to establish the facts.
How long have you known him?
You know, we've been working together for,
for a couple of years now.
You in touch with his family?
I know, I know he lives with his cousins.
I can get a number for Patricia. I'm sure.
But where is he? Is he okay?
There was an incident on a tube train
yesterday morning involving him.
I'm very sorry,
but he may not have survived.
I can't say any more at this stage.
[reporter] Mr. Blair, please,
any information that you've got.
Any comment, Commissioner,
on how the police are handling
the current situation?
How can you be sure
there won't be any more attacks?
What I will say is this
The Met is playing out of its socks.
[Brown] There's now no doubt
the man shot yesterday
has no connections to terrorism.
It's a disaster.
Why was he at the address?
It's a block of flats.
I thought I'd heard it was a house?
No, that was an error.
The man lives in number 17.
The target address was the floor above,
number 21.
A complete bloody disaster.
What about that address?
Number 21?
Well, surveillance continued
through yesterday,
but they've now raided it
and it was found to be empty.
The IPCC will now have to be given
full access.
So they'll take over the scene
and start interviewing everybody.
So who was he?
Just an innocent bloke
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And there's something else
you should know.
I've heard it on good authority
that Commander Dick is saying
this was not a Kratos operation,
and that she never gave the order
for a critical shot to be taken.
Which means we're on our own.
[woman sobbing]
[sombre music playing]
Patricia.
[man] Sir, you can't go in there.
- You can't go in there.
- [gasps]
- [speaking Portuguese]
- Oh, my God!
This was an execution.
[reporter] The Metropolitan Police
say the man
shot dead on
the London underground yesterday,
was not connected to the hunt
for Thursday's bombers.
Scotland Yard identified him
as Jean Charles de Menezes,
a 27-year-old Brazilian.
Police said the man's death was a tragedy,
but in a statement, said he had emerged
from a house under surveillance
and his behaviour was suspicious.
[Paddick] Okay,
new statement just released
and they're still using the clothing
and behaviour line.
This is making a bad, sorry,
this is making a horrible situation
even worse.
And we can't keep doing this.
We can't keep being the same old Met,
we need transparency.
Didn't he vault the ticket barrier
and run away?
Well, I don't know,
but if he's innocent, why mention it?
It's like we're saying, "Sorry we killed
you, but it was sort of your own fault."
And I know Cressida Dick is saying
this was not a Kratos operation
and she didn't authorize a critical shot,
but her firearms officers were briefed
that the target was a suicide bomber
and their weapons were loaded
with hollow-point ammunition.
The moment she gave the order
that that man must not be allowed
to board the train,
it was only going to end one way.
She's saying it was at the discretion
of the firearms officers.
If there was any doubt in their minds
that the suspect was a suicide bomber,
they should challenge him
and react as the situation develops.
Okay. But that's not what happened, is it?
At least according to the members
of the public in that carriage.
Because they say there were no warnings
shouted before the shooting started.
- Well, how certain are they?
- How many were there?
Seventeen.
And how many say
there were no warnings shouted?
Seventeen.
Okay, so run it by me again, all right?
You hit the front,
and that's 10:05.
Who was first down the escalator?
Our group was behind you
as you ran down the escalator.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Who was first into the carriage?
- That was me.
- And I, I was behind him.
Okay, Charlie 12 then Charlie 2, yeah,
and that was 10.06.
Suspect had been ID'd over the radio
as Nettle Tip.
Then I shouted "Armed police!"
Er He ignored the challenge.
Then he stood up and came at me.
[Hale] Okay, right, let's get started.
You've all had access to advice
from your Police Federation rep
and a solicitor. Yes?
- Yes?
- Yeah.
Good. So, take your time
and make your statements as accurate
and as thorough as possible.
[Bixel] I believe our future as
an independent body tasked with holding
UK policing to account is on the line.
Three days ago, Brazilian national,
Jean Charles De Menezes,
was shot dead by CO19 firearms officers
at Stockwell Tube Station.
The Met has now finally given us access
and we are able to examine,
in the greatest detail,
how and why that happened.
This is Jean Charles de Menezes
entering Stockwell Tube Station
at 10:00 a.m.
He collects a Metro newspaper
and heads towards the barriers.
He uses his Oyster card,
and walks towards the escalators,
down to the train.
You might be thinking,
"Haven't I read stuff about Mr. Menezes
wearing bulky clothing and vaulting
a ticket barrier?"
If we forward the tape a few minutes,
we can see that the man wearing
bulky clothing and vaulting the barrier
is, in fact, a firearms officer.
Members of the public simply mistook him
for the suspect.
So, why haven't the Met corrected this?
Why are they still saying
that his clothing was suspicious
when he is clearly just wearing
a jean jacket?
That's a question for them, I'm afraid.
This is the view from inside the carriage
after the shooting.
It's, er
It's pretty harrowing.
[reporter] The tragic shooting by
the police of an innocent man
has not derailed out efforts
to track down and arrest the four men
suspected of attempting to carry out
terrorist bombings in London on July 21st.
If you recognize any of these men
or have any further information
about the attack
You see the pictures of those guys
the police are after on the news?
Not really.
Don't you think one of them looks
a little bit like the guy
you used to hang around with?
I can't remember his name.
[Asiedu] I'll have to have a look.
There was a lot of guys coming in and out
of Curtis House while I was there.
You want to be careful,
getting mixed up with guys like that.
- Hey, wait, what the fuck?
- It's okay, it's okay. It's me!
Come on. Drive, Bobo.
We need to get out of here.
I've seen your picture on the news.
Why the fuck are you dressed like this?
Mate, we've gotta go or I'm fucked.
Drive the fucking car.
[reporter] The Metropolitan Police have
now released the names of four suspects.
Yassin Hassan Omar from Southwark.
Muktar Said Ibrahim from North London.
Ramzi Mohammed from West London
and Hussain Osman from South London.
There are fast-moving developments today
in connection with this manhunt,
but the police are appealing
to the public
for help in establishing the whereabouts
of these men.
- [detective] These ones here?
- Yeah, just here.
Okay. You did the right thing calling us.
[liaison officer] This is him passing
through customs at Waterloo yesterday
using his brother's passport.
He took the train to Paris,
but from there,
we believe he headed for Rome
where his brother lives.
It goes without saying
that he's extremely dangerous.
[aide officer] Just tell me what you need.
[Bixel] I've watched all the tapes back,
but the footage I want isn't there.
See, the problem is the rubber feet.
We're in the process of changing them over
'cause they don't really damp down
the vibration enough.
This is the hard drive,
and there's the feet.
That would be my guess
for the gaps in the recordings.
Here's where the hard drive
for the CCTV is stored.
When we came to retrieve it,
we discovered it was missing.
We checked our records,
and we realized it was removed
after the 7/7 bombings, but not replaced,
that's why there's no CCTV
from the train that morning.
It seems to me
that they had to kill someone
to show the population that
they're making the country safe.
Jean Charles never did anything wrong.
My cousin had no reason to run,
unlike they say, like some fugitive.
He had nothing to hide.
The police, they should be ashamed
to shoot someone in the head like that.
There's no explanation
to what they have done.
They have shown that they are incapable
and, and, and stupid.
I think that is extraordinarily unfair.
For the record, was he working, legally?
I thought I'd heard his visa expired?
The Home Office are still looking into it.
Well, the problem is this puts us totally
on the back foot.
Where are these men?
Well, we do have strong leads and you,
you know about the device yesterday
- that was found in west London?
- Similar in composition to the others?
That's right. Well, in connection to that,
a man's handed himself in.
We think he's the fifth member
of the cell.
Lost his nerve, dumped the device in
a park without attempting to detonate it.
Okay. That's more like it.
I'm telling you the only reason I came
was because I know Omar and Muktar.
I'm not some terrorist
or anything like that.
I saw someone on TV who looked like Omar,
and I know he's friends
with this Muktar guy,
so I thought I'd better come
and let you know.
But you admit to living at number 58
Curtis House?
Yeah.
You realize that bomb-making equipment,
including bottles of peroxide
were found at Curtis House?
Bomb-making?
I don't know anything about that.
I don't even know what peroxide is,
to be honest with you.
[Norland] So where are these men now?
Thanks.
Coming in?
No, you shouldn't have any visitors.
Understand.
- Armed police! Armed police!
- Go! Go! Go! Go!
He's upstairs in the bathroom.
Omar, we are armed officers
- What's in the backpack?
- [Omar] Shoot me.
Get your fucking hands up!
Get your hands up!
Fucking hands!
Give me your hands. Give me your hands!
[officer] Taser, taser, taser!
Using a Taser in that situation
was not an option.
If that had been a bomb in his backpack,
an electrical charge from a Taser
could have set it off!
Well, he's now under arrest
and nobody died.
Two incidents, one where lethal force
is used and we are criticized for it,
the other where it absolutely
should have been but wasn't.
The public should quite rightly
be expecting
some sort of consistency from us.
Where do we go?
Everybody's seen our faces.
There is nothing left for us to do now,
but to die as martyrs.
This is my insurance.
When they see me holding this,
they'll definitely shoot me.
[inaudible]
You're sure they're still in there?
Movement's been spotted
through the blinds.
What's happening in Italy?
[Hayman] The Italians, they've identified
an address where they think he might be.
Ibrahim and Mohammed,
you need to come out now, yeah?
All right? We've got armed officers
covering the building.
All we want is for this situation
to end peacefully.
So, remove your clothing first
and then come out.
[Ibrahim] I can't breathe.
[officer] No movement spotted.
[negotiator] We need to see
that you don't have any devices on you.
[Mohammed] So do we die like martyrs?
[Ibrahim] Fuck it. [coughs]
I'm going out.
[officer] No movement.
Come out with your hands clearly visible.
[officer] Target's moving.
[female officer] Stop, turn around.
Hands behind your back.
You are making a big mistake.
We are not together anymore.
I had no idea what he was doing.
[female officer] Now you! Turn towards me!
Walk towards me!
Stop! Turn around!
Hands behind your back!
[officer] Targets detained.
That's Rome.
Osman's in the bag as well.
Well, that's all of them.
Then it's all good news at last.
[woman on PA] Next station is Waterloo.
Doors will open on the right-hand side.
[protestors chanting] Justice for Jean!
Justice for Jean!
Justice for Jean! Justice for Jean!
[inaudible]
[Hardwick] CCTV missing from the bus,
the station and the carriage
and you factor in the three days
we weren't given access to the scenes,
or the investigation by the Met.
It's certainly not a good look.
[woman 1] I saw him get on the train,
he was just normal.
It didn't look like he'd been running.
He wasn't wearing bulky clothing.
He just had like a denim jacket on.
[woman 2] He weren't wearing
a thick coat
or anything like they are saying.
Just normal-looking.
[woman 3] Do I have to do this right now?
I'm feeling really shaky, sorry.
[woman 4] They just walked up to him
and started shooting.
Didn't say a word.
He's here!
[woman 4] It just seemed like
he was sitting there
minding his own business.
I keep waiting for the police to just,
just come clean.
To admit that all of the stuff
that they said about Jean Charles, thanks.
The vaulting the barrier,
the bulky clothing,
all of this bullshit they've put out there
isn't true.
But they won't be honest
about what happened.
That it was their failings
that led to the death of an innocent man.
And I can't stop thinking
about the family.
Lana, you've gotta let Neil
tell this story.
What the police are doing now
is what they always do.
They kick stuff like this
into the long grass,
and hope that eventually
everybody forgets, or stops caring.
I can give you advice
on how to cover your tracks
when you download documents to print them
off so they can't trace it back to you.
We don't see you on screen,
or even use your name.
Look, whatever you say,
whatever reassurances you give me now,
we all know that if I go public with this,
I'm going to lose my job.
Or maybe worse.
- Hey.
- Hey.
I left my purse in the office.
- That's fine, you head up.
- Just been to the gym.
[doorbell rings]