The Many Lives of Benjaman Kyle (2026) s01e03 Episode Script
The Bouncer
Shannon
We got that by accident.
Benjaman Kyle's own brother,
the first time he's seen him
since 1983, "allegedly,"
saying, "When you come home
after committing a murder,
you're out of sync
with the universe."
ominous music plays
Shannon
The only way to know the truth
about Benjaman is we have to go
around knocking on doors
and talking to people who knew
Benjaman before he disappeared.
And Benjaman has no idea
that we heard his brother
talking to him about murder.
He doesn't know
that we're on to him.
Benjaman We're going to
my second cousin's house.
I'm a little nervous.
I guess it strikes me
as kind of strange that none
of the cousins have tried
to contact me.
knocking noises
-Mike Hello.
-Hi.
-I'm Mike Piggot.
-Bill Powell.
Are you a hugger?
No.
laughs
-Oh, you're a Piggot.
-Benjaman All right, we can
do it for the film.
-No, that's okay.
-Oh.
Bill is my second cousin
and my dad's first cousin,
my dad being Bill Piggot.
That's him at an older age.
So this is my house.
I live here with my wife
and two kids.
Have a seat.
I only know Bill as a legend.
He was here,
and then he was missing.
And then,
when asked about later in life,
nobody knew where you were.
You were just gone.
And then eventually,
they just kind of made ref--
they-- they--
I don't know
if this is morbid or not,
-but they just assumed you were dead.
-Benjaman Yeah.
-Nobody heard from you.
-Benjaman Yeah.
We know I was in Colorado
until the middle-- middle '80s.
And after that, we don't know
what happened.
The only thing we know
is that I am not an ax murderer,
because they can't find
my fingerprints anywhere
-on any crime scenes or anything.
-Well, that you didn't get--
you didn't get caught for.
Benjaman laughs
Mike Seems peculiar to me that
when somebody disappears and they
don't want to be found,
and then they show up
and suddenly have amnesia,
you may be running from something.
I wonder if he got in trouble
with the law.
Do you really have amnesia,
or you're hiding something?
So when he brought up
the fingerprints, I'm like,
you know,
"Is there something more?
Are you hiding from somebody?"
And now you show up
and you're, like,
laughing about fingerprints
or whatever.
I'm like, "Maybe, maybe
you killed somebody."
dramatic chord strike
theme music plays
theme music fades
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When we were kids,
that was the barber shop
and the bunny would come down
and pass out candy.
And the right side was
a jewelry store.
Was it? I don't remember.
Is your memory coming back any?
Ah, evidently, it seems to be.
I'm remembering stuff here.
Furman Down on the corner,
they moved in a caboose
and turned it into a bar.
My father was so abusive,
and Bill moved out,
and he got an apartment.
And he was only about 14.
When you moved out of the house.
All my life, I've wondered
how you paid for an apartment.
I never knew.
Alexander What I'm wondering
is how did this teenager pay
for an apartment on his own?
Where did he get this cash?
What was he doing?
So we did some digging.
And after living downtown as a teen,
Benjaman lived with
this family, the Richardsons.
And apparently, he lived
in a trailer on their property.
And Clayton, their son,
hasn't seen Benjaman since 1976.
knocking noises
-Clayton Hi, there.
-Benjaman Hi.
-Benjaman Hey, are you Clay?
-Yes, sir.
Are you Mr. Powell?
Benjaman I guess so.
You sure sound like Mr. Powell.
Come here, buddy.
-Where the hell have you been?
-Benjaman I don't know.
-I guess I'm back.
-Clayton I got so many questions
it hurts.
Or do you remember where
you lived at and how you met me?
How you met my dad?
Did your dad have
a gas station behind
-across from the theater?
-Yes, he did.
He called it Richardson's Conoco.
But that's the trailer
where you lived at.
Huh.
Clayton Do you remember the ceiling
was so low and you were so tall?
No. Yeah, no.
Clayton That you, uh,
you ripped that roof off, raised it?
-Huh.
-Clayton Do you remember
what kind of beer you was drinking
-back at the time?
-Benjaman Schlitz.
Yep, that's right.
Benjaman You never forget
the beer you drank.
both laugh
Clayton Remember
why you had to take off?
Got a girl knocked up?
Or was you
in trouble or something, or?
No, I don't--
I don't think-- um
I don't know.
Clayton I get emotional.
I thought bad thoughts
of Bill being gone.
I thought he was dead.
sniffles
Clayton I've got your
unsure of word toolbox.
-Really!
-Clayton Yeah.
Benjaman I would like to see it.
-Benjaman That's a Yankee.
-Clayton Now that would be yours.
Do you want it?
Benjaman No. It's yours.
It's the past.
Benjaman Well, I don't know
whether that's a P or not
because it looks like
it actually went over.
But that definitely
looks like it was an F.
I think those decals were
probably put there by my dad.
Because I certainly
would've used probably a WBP.
'Cause I always--
well, I guess, I would always,
since my legal name is William,
I would always write William,
I think.
I started to say I always
used William B Powell,
so maybe I'm remembering something.
What I'm writing,
you know, legal stuff.
-Clayton Listen.
-Everyone would call me Bill.
I'm just glad we met.
I'm more than glad that, you know,
my leaving the way
I did didn't screw your life up.
-Clayton No.
-I'm just glad it turned out so good.
Clayton I think I was just
too young at the time.
-I liked looking at the
pictures of all the kids.
-Clayton Okay.
We'll do it again, where you can
come and stay a little longer.
And look through a lot more pictures.
And I'm glad I was
a positive influence.
-Clayton You sure were.
-I have
-We'll do it again.
-I'd like that.
Clayton Yeah.
I like that too, Bill.
He was like my--
like my big brother, and
then all of a sudden,
he wasn't there.
He just vanished.
I was sure happy to see him,
and he seemed to
remember a few things,
but he wasn't too sure
about why he disappeared.
I just don't know.
Furman When Bill disappeared,
sometime before that,
he was doing janitor work
at the strip bar,
coming in three o'clock,
four o'clock in the morning.
Not the nicest people in the world
goes to those strip bars.
And, of course, he knew,
just by listening,
about all these not-too-good people.
And then he just disappeared.
And then they found
an unidentified body up
by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,
an unidentified body.
And then they also found
the body unidentified
in Murdock Park.
So we were concerned that
he could have been killed,
and someone killed him.
rock music plays
Jimmie I'm Jimmie Kesterson,
and if you can't tell,
I really love tractors.
I'm a former Indiana
State Police trooper.
I was with the State Police
for 28 years.
cat purrs
And my interest was
to criminal investigations,
and I worked a lot of
investigations during that time.
Back in the mid-to late-'70s
was a tough time for Lafayette.
There were four or five major
crime families,
and doing most of the--
the major crimes.
It was a lot of burglaries,
car thefts, drug dealers,
prostitution, and there were
numerous unsolved homicides.
There were specific taverns
and locations where people
connected with crimes
would congregate.
If you wanted to go and buy guns,
and if you wanted somebody's
arm or leg broken,
that's where you'd get it done.
On the missing persons report
of William Powell,
if I had to guess on the car
why I think it would be ditched
and the license plates taken off,
if they had committed a crime or
had been at the scene of a crime.
But with crimes,
you know, burglaries,
rape, those things all have
statute of limitation.
Bill would know that the only
thing he could still
be tried for is murder.
This is the first time
that Benjaman has suggested
that we meet someone
who may know him.
I'm very suspicious.
I have to follow every lead
right now,
but nothing prepared me
for what I was about to hear.
Ila William was coming along
this driveway across there,
and I waved at him
and he waved back.
And at first,
I thought he recognized me.
And he came over and he started
chatting with me
and he introduced himself.
So then, I knew
he didn't know who I was.
Ila just told me
that Benjaman is a hitman.
What I'm trying to figure out
is why would he point us
in the direction of a lady
who would flat out say
that he is a murderer?
Why would you do that?
I'm Ila Solomon.
And what do you
want to know about me?
I'm just a housewife.
William Powell,
he's friends of my husband.
They used to go fishing.
And Willie Powell
has been in this house.
This is the couch that
Willie Powell used to sleep on
when he used to come to my house.
In the '90s.
From, yeah, from like '94
to 2000, probably.
I used to cook breakfast for him.
Cornbread waffles.
When I saw him at the cemetery,
he said he doesn't like waffles.
laughs
"Oh, my God, I've given you like
over a hundred waffles."
But he didn't remember.
He had a reputation for
not putting up
with any bleep from any guys.
If you had a husband or a boyfriend
that would beat you up,
you could go to Willie
and he would get rid of him.
Willie never hurt
a woman or a child,
but he had a huge reputation
for hurting men, huge.
There was a rumor about
this girl who was 16-years-old
who got gang raped.
And he took some guys out fishing
and they never came back.
Just put it that way.
He had a knife
that he kept in his right ankle,
had a gun he kept in his left ankle,
kept a hatchet in his back,
and he would carry
a baseball bat from time to time.
I'm surprised you noticed them.
Alexander
We did some digging
to figure out who this lady is,
and she was arrested because--
she went to jail.
reporter
Solomon says her husband
wanted to be eaten by birds
following his death.
Ila So he wanted me
to open the door so the birds
from the ravine would come in.
But the birds never came in.
They only got as far
as the air conditioner.
reporter Police got suspicious
and entered the house.
They found a body of a deceased
person in advanced stage of decay.
It was Gavin's remains.
The coroner determined
that Gavin's dead body had been
there for nine months.
Prosecutors did charge her
with a Class A misdemeanor
of failure to report a dead body.
Ken Ila has some credibility
issues with respect
to her mental challenges.
Benjaman was adamant
that we needed to go back
and talk to her,
and that is very strange.
It's-- it's part of his plan.
"Go talk to this lady,
go talk to this lady,"
and then he's gonna use
that to discredit you.
Shannon
"You talked to a crazy lady,
and now you're accusing me
of being a hitman."
Alexander
I think Benjaman's clearly
toying with us.
I think Benjaman set us up
to meet with someone who's,
you know, could be completely
discredited here.
He may have this checkered past,
he may be a hitman,
but we have to find a more
reliable source to corroborate
everything that we suspect.
We clearly need a better lead.
phone line ringing
-automated voice At the tone,
please record your message.
-beep
Ken This is Ken Maxwell calling.
We're in the Lafayette area.
knocking noises
Shannon This is
Shannon Evangelista.
I spoke to you a while--
sewing machine ticking
Sue I took care of all
the cleaners in Lafayette.
I did all their sewing.
My name is Sue,
and Bill Powell used to go
fishing with my uncle.
laughs
I know him. Yes.
Yes.
In the '90s,
I met William Powell
at a night spot.
He had a switchblade and a gun on.
He wore it-- he wore it
on his side, on his right side.
But it didn't bother me.
And we had a real good time
that night.
I gave him my number.
He was good-looking.
He reminded me
of a depressed person.
I never seen him smile,
but he'd had a sexy look.
No smile.
Ken So--
He looked in my eyes
and I could get lost in his.
Sue laughs
That is the truth.
I did.
-not saying--
would you remember--
-I slept with him, okay?
Devon Plaza Hotel.
I spent the evening with him there.
I was safe.
laughs I was carrying a gun.
And I didn't get that far from it.
But he carried himself
like a mobster.
He reminded me of a hitman.
I think he--
he could be violent.
I think he really could.
When you have multiple people
that knew William Powell tell you
"This is a really dangerous
person who's very vengeful,
and he's worked
as a hitman in the past,"
it's terrifying.
suspenseful music builds
Yes, I met him through the cleaners
where I do my sewing.
I used to do his fittings.
He had a rough one.
-Ken So --
-He was a rough man.
I got to be careful what I say.
unidentified woman speaking
Thank you.
unidentified woman speaking
Ken You have to educate me.
Wrapped up in what?
I don't understand.
Ken I understand that.
unidentified woman speaking
Yes.
Shannon Benjaman Kyle,
aka William Powell,
is a highly intelligent person.
He is always thinking
20 steps ahead.
He is manipulative and deceptive.
And if I believe what
I've been told by other people,
he's potentially
extremely dangerous.
I want a criminal profiler involved.
The plan is we're gonna
bring in Chris Voss.
Chris Voss has worked
on huge cases for the FBI.
He basically was
a hostage negotiator.
My name is Chris Voss.
I was an FBI agent.
I was a hostage negotiator.
I've got a 27-year history
dealing with
the most dangerous people
in the world while they're lying
and actively deceiving
and figuring out
how to get them to tell the truth
or when they're telling the truth.
Shannon I want to set up
a hidden camera.
Under the guise
that Chris was a producer
He'll interview Benjaman.
clapboard clicks
I want to get a real handle on
what he thinks about Benjaman.
Chris There's some pretty
standard things people do
when they're deceiving.
And so, for example,
in the case of Benjaman,
it's going to be
about what he gives away
with his body language
and his answers.
A deception is a nervous
response about that answer.
And if they're worried
about tells, they're lying.
Eric This is Chris.
Chris, this is Benjaman Kyle.
-Benjaman, how are you?
-Hi.
-All right.
-Chris Nice to meet you.
We want to bring his true
self out as much as possible.
I'm gonna want him-- to make
him feel relaxed and welcome,
like he's in a safe environment,
like he could be himself.
You wanna drink coffee?
indistinct
Chris I'm just trying to get
him to drop his guard.
I'm trying to see
if we can bond a little bit,
if we can find something
we can talk about,
if I can catch him off guard.
You prefer to go--
you prefer to be called Benjaman?
It's Bill Powell?
I'm sorry.
You prefer William--
you prefer William to Bill?
We're being formal here now?
Are you-- are you being formal?
All right, forgive me for
joking around about it, then,
I apologize.
Right.
Chris He had a tremendous
amount of difficulty
saying that he was William Powell.
There's some real control
issues here with him, too.
He's engaging in physical behavior
that typically indicates deception.
Chris It's a variety of tells
from where he puts his hand
completely over his face.
At different times,
he put his hands out
and completely covered his face
with both hands
and then brought it down.
This is a defensive move.
He's worried about the answer,
and he's buying time
so the brain can spin something up.
I've also reviewed
the various interviews,
video footage of Benjaman.
The abuse when I was a kid,
if it's as bad as what
my brother was saying it was,
saying it was, that might,
to a large extent,
explain the memory amnesia.
Chris He said,
"Well, the memory loss is
as a result of my abuse as a child."
And Eric says,
"Well, that's 20 years ago."
And he stops dead in his tracks,
realizing that that's
a bit of a stretch.
Ugh, crap.
After having been successfully
kept all this secret for a long time,
now he's got--
now he's got to create more
to cover it up.
I mean, if you were to turn
the sound off and just watch,
and no context
other than body language,
my impression of that interview
was here's a guy
who's just seething with anger.
In my view, Benjaman Kyle
is a highly manipulative,
highly practiced liar.
He executes his stories
in a very focused
and cold-blooded manner,
what some people might refer to
as a psychopath.
I'd be stunned if this didn't
end up in an arrest of Benjaman
for some crime that's
significant enough for him
to want to go into hiding
for 20 years.
Shannon Under the guise
that Chris was a producer,
he interviewed Benjaman,
and he came back and said that
he believes that Benjaman
quite probably is a psychopath.
But we needed hard evidence.
The missing persons report,
I think it's the key for us
to figure out
what he was running from.
Our leads
from the missing persons report.
Thomas Powell is dead.
Don Richardson is dead.
Bleep won't talk to us.
William Powell
is not being truthful.
That leaves only one person,
Charles "Chico" Goetz.
Like, he's literally the only
key to unlock any information.
We believe that Benjaman,
aka William Powell,
worked for one of the biggest
crime families in Lafayette.
And we're starting to fill in
the picture of that family.
The bar,
that was their headquarters.
And then there were the soldiers
who worked for the boss.
And allegedly,
Benjaman was one of them.
Ken This report has
so much information with respect
to Powell's activities
back in 1976, in Indiana.
Shannon
At this stage of the game,
this is what I know.
I know Benjaman Kyle
is really William Powell.
I know that he left
in March of 1976.
Why would he do that?
I want to know what really happened.
In looking at this report,
a few things show
that William Powell in his 20s
is linked to people
who are engaged
in criminal activity.
The missing persons report
had this really weird section
about a crime boss that broke
into Bill's brother's house
to steal a microwave cookbook
that Bill left behind.
What's so important
about a cookbook?
To me, this is strange.
And also, the report says
a red '66 Rambler, no plates on it.
Had been found abandoned on
the side road near Oakdale Dam.
William was in the company
of Charles "Chico" Goetz.
If Chico fled with Benjaman,
he could have been one of
the other soldiers working
for the crime boss.
Ken
He and Chico flee Lafayette
in the middle of the night
after taking the license plates
off Powell's car
and ditching it up in a rural area.
You only do that if you're
running from something.
You're hiding something, probably
something criminal that you did.
The challenge is,
how do we bring it to a point
that we can actually prove it?
The answer lies with Chico.
-Hey. How you doing?
-Good, Chico. How are you?
Doing well.
crew member
Did you do the AudioVerse?
Did you put his microphone on?
crew member #2 He is locked up.
crew member We're rolling
any time you want.
Chris So, let's kind of start
from square one, when you first
ran across Bill Powell.
Chico Well, we both worked
for United Artists Theaters
in Lafayette, Indiana.
He was very easy to get along with.
He was really the only friend
I had at that time in my life.
And I think it was lonely
for him, too.
I seemed to be his only--
only real social outlet, also.
We had a lot of fun.
We were pretty young and dumb
and did some stupid things.
But we were both
pretty honest folks.
I think what was really happening
in that period, though,
is that we were
starting to drink more.
We were sitting over there
at Keggers in Illinois one night.
It had to have been midnight,
one o'clock in the morning.
And I told him I had
a buddy out in Colorado.
"Why don't we go to Colorado?"
And he said,
"All right, let's do it."
So, we drove back to Lafayette.
We cleared out my apartment,
we cleared out his trailer,
and we were headed to Colorado
when the sun came up that morning.
Never did.
We, uh, I'm sure
the missing persons report was
written up for us leaving
for Colorado,
and the cops never
caught up with me.
It's not?
gasps
Chico Wow!
Carroll County.
"We must have left it up around
my parents' place somewhere."
Yeah, that's close
to my parents' house.
I had to have been.
laughs
I don't know, I don't know.
I may have helped.
I don't know.
Sounds to me like we may not
have been as honest
and uppity up as I thought we were.
laughs heartily
That's pretty sneaky,
underhanded stuff.
Nothing about this makes sense.
Or passes a sniff test
in any way, shape, or form.
I don't blame you for being careful
about what you're saying.
I think you're trying to make
sure you don't hurt Bill.
Chico My memory might be
a little twisted
because I do hold him dear.
I mean,
I think he had a little bit
of a wild man buried in him.
He would come up
with off-the-wall things
every once in a while.
To me, they were off-the-wall.
Now you're gonna make me say that.
Uh, stammers.
Things like some of the places
he would take me in Lafayette there.
There was a piece of the old Wabash
and Erie Canal next to the road.
You have to get over into the woods,
and pretty soon you can find
what's left of a ditch.
Chris So, what are you
telling me, though?
stammering What's the point?
Chico
I guess we were drinking,
and maybe that's why
my memory is strained.
It was a strained time.
Chris The two of you guys,
you were troubled.
Yeah, that's a fair thing
to say, yeah.
Chico told us that Powell
would take him to a place
that he called "the Ditch."
But we also heard
from Powell's brother Furman
And then they found
an unidentified body
up by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,
We have two people
who don't talk to one another
talking about the same place.
Shannon I don't believe Chico.
We realized that the story
went a lot deeper
than what he was telling us.
The plan is we're gonna
surprise Benjaman with Chico.
We want real reactions.
Benjaman Well,
I just thought of something.
You used to see their carriages
on the street once in a while.
Chris Hey, what's happening?
Nice to see you.
Oh.
There's a stranger amongst you.
-Oh, hey, I need to get out
of that picture, don't I?
-I'm used to strangers.
Chris Why don't you guys
go ahead and introduce
yourselves, you two.
I'm Chico Goetz.
-Bill Powell.
-Really?
Chico I don't believe it. You're
-Benjaman, right?
-Yeah.
Nice to meet you.
It has been a very long time.
Hmm.
I'm sorry you don't remember
a whole lot of that.
stuttering I don't.
Um, um
-stammers Yeah.
-laughs
Chris You know,
he was an important guy to you.
Yeah, I guess. I don't.
Chris
You should be happy to see
a guy who was important to you.
Chico Well.
Benjaman I didn't remember him.
I didn't recognize him.
And it took a while of thinking
before I finally realized that,
you know,
some of his voice mannerisms
seemed familiar.
Shannon
Benjaman is terrified
that we brought Chico.
When we confronted him,
he turns white.
-He's ashen.
-He sat there.
Glared.
Shannon
It was a strange dynamic.
Chico had more
like a predatory attitude.
It was like Chico
is looking dead on at him,
and Benjaman
would not return eye contact.
Shannon Like, if they're hiding
something, I want to see them
get their story straight.
And then I want to see
what they talk about.
Shannon
A minute, Chico and Benjaman
spoke alone without cameras.
It's like he's warning Benjaman,
"This is what we have to say,
because this is what they know."
Chris Psychopaths, from a hostage
negotiator's perspective,
I know that they're control freaks.
So losing control
is going to infuriate them.
Oh, okay.
Shannon The minute
we would put him in any situation
where he was losing control,
the guy that he really is,
the antisocial,
angry person would step out.
That's who you saw
when we met Chico.
Why didn't they tell me
they had found him?
I mean, just tell me
they had found him.
You know, why didn't--
why the bleep didn't you tell me
that he was bringing--
bringing him in?
George Bill was a pretty
serious guy,
but I could make him laugh,
you know, pretty quick.
-I believe so,
yeah, because, uh
-Eric Okay.
I was, uh
I was a housekeeper over there.
I would suspect that maybe
he got some wrongdoings
with some wrong people,
maybe, or something, you know?
And that he may have
cheated somebody
back then you didn't do.
No, I wouldn't say I did,
but I can't say I didn't either.
Well
Eric
Hmm.
-Eric Yeah.
-So I really
Ken
Here's the Wabash, right?
-Tippecanoe.
-Tippecanoe.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I stand corrected.
Chico If I had a memory,
and I don't have a memory.
But I think you do.
My point is,
you remember a lot of things.
We're going to go back to that night
when you guys left for Colorado,
so we're going to go visit
where the car was left.
Alexander Trying to find out
what really happened back then,
why William Powell ran away
in the middle of the night
with his friend Chico Goetz.
Did you ever hear
the name Chico Goetz?
I can't say anything.
Ken What do you mean?
Chico Goetz.
unidentified woman speaking
-Be careful.
-unidentified woman speaking
Ken
I'm sorry.
I couldn't hear you.
I couldn't hear you.
He's not sane?
-He's not a saint.
-unidentified woman
Not a saint.
Ken
Are you aware of anybody
who's been killed?
We can't say.
Chico This is the road
in the police report.
This is where I remember it.
Ken
So it's two or three o'clock
in the morning.
And Bill Powell,
he wants to dump his car.
Right?
And he's gonna pick this road.
Why?
Why?
That's what I'm saying.
-Chico We wanted
to get rid of that car.
-Chico,
Chico, Chico.
-Chico I know what it sounds like.
-Ken Let me tell you something.
It-- it-- it's not kosher, baby.
Give me-- give me
a legitimate reason.
All right, I'm gonna sit back
as a smart guy.
Give me a legitimate reason
why Bill Powell,
at three o'clock in the morning,
wants to take a set of bleep
license plates off a car?
-Chico What?
-Ken Give me the legitimate
reason.
You remember a lot of things.
ominous music plays
Ken Okay.
Yep.
Will you guys just let me
take a little walk
down the road and back?
-Ken You looked upset.
-Because I can't--
-Ken So you're upset because--
-I'm not getting the detail.
Ken
Look, if you don't remember,
you don't remember,
you don't get upset about that.
You're upset about something
you do remember.
At some point, the truth
will come out on all this.
You want to put yourself
in a good position here.
You know?
You know what we're going to do?
We're going to go to the ditch.
You're gonna show us the ditch.
We wouldn't know about that
ditch if you didn't tell us.
-That's the ditch.
-Chico That's the ditch.
So, why was it so important
for you to tell us about this ditch?
Ken Yeah?
Come on down here.
It sure does. Follow me here.
This is your way of getting it
off your chest
that he shared something with you.
You ever hear
about any missing persons
around this area?
Chico
You know, there's been
some things going on at Purdue.
-Uh-huh.
-Chico But, uh
What-- what-- like what?
-Chico It seems like one they
found murdered somewhere.
-Mm-hmm.
Chico You know,
and she was missing for a while
when they found her body.
Ken Chico, Chico.
You understand how serious this is?
Chico I understand.
Ken If we had to get cadaver dogs.
If we had to dig
this place up, right?
And we find something,
guess where the FBI
and the police are gonna start?
You.
Because you showed us this place.
Why don't you think about that?
You don't want to ever get
on that train and know something
and not share it,
and then we uncover it.
Chico
I'm-- that train's not there.
I'm trying to be honest
with you guys.
I have done
some bad things in my life.
I've never done anything
like rape or murder,
and I'm trying not to hide anything.
Ken That's bleep.
You're lying. This isn't over.
Hello?
Ken
Thanks for calling back.
We're trying to find people
who might remember William Powell.
family member speaking
We got that by accident.
Benjaman Kyle's own brother,
the first time he's seen him
since 1983, "allegedly,"
saying, "When you come home
after committing a murder,
you're out of sync
with the universe."
ominous music plays
Shannon
The only way to know the truth
about Benjaman is we have to go
around knocking on doors
and talking to people who knew
Benjaman before he disappeared.
And Benjaman has no idea
that we heard his brother
talking to him about murder.
He doesn't know
that we're on to him.
Benjaman We're going to
my second cousin's house.
I'm a little nervous.
I guess it strikes me
as kind of strange that none
of the cousins have tried
to contact me.
knocking noises
-Mike Hello.
-Hi.
-I'm Mike Piggot.
-Bill Powell.
Are you a hugger?
No.
laughs
-Oh, you're a Piggot.
-Benjaman All right, we can
do it for the film.
-No, that's okay.
-Oh.
Bill is my second cousin
and my dad's first cousin,
my dad being Bill Piggot.
That's him at an older age.
So this is my house.
I live here with my wife
and two kids.
Have a seat.
I only know Bill as a legend.
He was here,
and then he was missing.
And then,
when asked about later in life,
nobody knew where you were.
You were just gone.
And then eventually,
they just kind of made ref--
they-- they--
I don't know
if this is morbid or not,
-but they just assumed you were dead.
-Benjaman Yeah.
-Nobody heard from you.
-Benjaman Yeah.
We know I was in Colorado
until the middle-- middle '80s.
And after that, we don't know
what happened.
The only thing we know
is that I am not an ax murderer,
because they can't find
my fingerprints anywhere
-on any crime scenes or anything.
-Well, that you didn't get--
you didn't get caught for.
Benjaman laughs
Mike Seems peculiar to me that
when somebody disappears and they
don't want to be found,
and then they show up
and suddenly have amnesia,
you may be running from something.
I wonder if he got in trouble
with the law.
Do you really have amnesia,
or you're hiding something?
So when he brought up
the fingerprints, I'm like,
you know,
"Is there something more?
Are you hiding from somebody?"
And now you show up
and you're, like,
laughing about fingerprints
or whatever.
I'm like, "Maybe, maybe
you killed somebody."
dramatic chord strike
theme music plays
theme music fades
##
When we were kids,
that was the barber shop
and the bunny would come down
and pass out candy.
And the right side was
a jewelry store.
Was it? I don't remember.
Is your memory coming back any?
Ah, evidently, it seems to be.
I'm remembering stuff here.
Furman Down on the corner,
they moved in a caboose
and turned it into a bar.
My father was so abusive,
and Bill moved out,
and he got an apartment.
And he was only about 14.
When you moved out of the house.
All my life, I've wondered
how you paid for an apartment.
I never knew.
Alexander What I'm wondering
is how did this teenager pay
for an apartment on his own?
Where did he get this cash?
What was he doing?
So we did some digging.
And after living downtown as a teen,
Benjaman lived with
this family, the Richardsons.
And apparently, he lived
in a trailer on their property.
And Clayton, their son,
hasn't seen Benjaman since 1976.
knocking noises
-Clayton Hi, there.
-Benjaman Hi.
-Benjaman Hey, are you Clay?
-Yes, sir.
Are you Mr. Powell?
Benjaman I guess so.
You sure sound like Mr. Powell.
Come here, buddy.
-Where the hell have you been?
-Benjaman I don't know.
-I guess I'm back.
-Clayton I got so many questions
it hurts.
Or do you remember where
you lived at and how you met me?
How you met my dad?
Did your dad have
a gas station behind
-across from the theater?
-Yes, he did.
He called it Richardson's Conoco.
But that's the trailer
where you lived at.
Huh.
Clayton Do you remember the ceiling
was so low and you were so tall?
No. Yeah, no.
Clayton That you, uh,
you ripped that roof off, raised it?
-Huh.
-Clayton Do you remember
what kind of beer you was drinking
-back at the time?
-Benjaman Schlitz.
Yep, that's right.
Benjaman You never forget
the beer you drank.
both laugh
Clayton Remember
why you had to take off?
Got a girl knocked up?
Or was you
in trouble or something, or?
No, I don't--
I don't think-- um
I don't know.
Clayton I get emotional.
I thought bad thoughts
of Bill being gone.
I thought he was dead.
sniffles
Clayton I've got your
unsure of word toolbox.
-Really!
-Clayton Yeah.
Benjaman I would like to see it.
-Benjaman That's a Yankee.
-Clayton Now that would be yours.
Do you want it?
Benjaman No. It's yours.
It's the past.
Benjaman Well, I don't know
whether that's a P or not
because it looks like
it actually went over.
But that definitely
looks like it was an F.
I think those decals were
probably put there by my dad.
Because I certainly
would've used probably a WBP.
'Cause I always--
well, I guess, I would always,
since my legal name is William,
I would always write William,
I think.
I started to say I always
used William B Powell,
so maybe I'm remembering something.
What I'm writing,
you know, legal stuff.
-Clayton Listen.
-Everyone would call me Bill.
I'm just glad we met.
I'm more than glad that, you know,
my leaving the way
I did didn't screw your life up.
-Clayton No.
-I'm just glad it turned out so good.
Clayton I think I was just
too young at the time.
-I liked looking at the
pictures of all the kids.
-Clayton Okay.
We'll do it again, where you can
come and stay a little longer.
And look through a lot more pictures.
And I'm glad I was
a positive influence.
-Clayton You sure were.
-I have
-We'll do it again.
-I'd like that.
Clayton Yeah.
I like that too, Bill.
He was like my--
like my big brother, and
then all of a sudden,
he wasn't there.
He just vanished.
I was sure happy to see him,
and he seemed to
remember a few things,
but he wasn't too sure
about why he disappeared.
I just don't know.
Furman When Bill disappeared,
sometime before that,
he was doing janitor work
at the strip bar,
coming in three o'clock,
four o'clock in the morning.
Not the nicest people in the world
goes to those strip bars.
And, of course, he knew,
just by listening,
about all these not-too-good people.
And then he just disappeared.
And then they found
an unidentified body up
by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,
an unidentified body.
And then they also found
the body unidentified
in Murdock Park.
So we were concerned that
he could have been killed,
and someone killed him.
rock music plays
Jimmie I'm Jimmie Kesterson,
and if you can't tell,
I really love tractors.
I'm a former Indiana
State Police trooper.
I was with the State Police
for 28 years.
cat purrs
And my interest was
to criminal investigations,
and I worked a lot of
investigations during that time.
Back in the mid-to late-'70s
was a tough time for Lafayette.
There were four or five major
crime families,
and doing most of the--
the major crimes.
It was a lot of burglaries,
car thefts, drug dealers,
prostitution, and there were
numerous unsolved homicides.
There were specific taverns
and locations where people
connected with crimes
would congregate.
If you wanted to go and buy guns,
and if you wanted somebody's
arm or leg broken,
that's where you'd get it done.
On the missing persons report
of William Powell,
if I had to guess on the car
why I think it would be ditched
and the license plates taken off,
if they had committed a crime or
had been at the scene of a crime.
But with crimes,
you know, burglaries,
rape, those things all have
statute of limitation.
Bill would know that the only
thing he could still
be tried for is murder.
This is the first time
that Benjaman has suggested
that we meet someone
who may know him.
I'm very suspicious.
I have to follow every lead
right now,
but nothing prepared me
for what I was about to hear.
Ila William was coming along
this driveway across there,
and I waved at him
and he waved back.
And at first,
I thought he recognized me.
And he came over and he started
chatting with me
and he introduced himself.
So then, I knew
he didn't know who I was.
Ila just told me
that Benjaman is a hitman.
What I'm trying to figure out
is why would he point us
in the direction of a lady
who would flat out say
that he is a murderer?
Why would you do that?
I'm Ila Solomon.
And what do you
want to know about me?
I'm just a housewife.
William Powell,
he's friends of my husband.
They used to go fishing.
And Willie Powell
has been in this house.
This is the couch that
Willie Powell used to sleep on
when he used to come to my house.
In the '90s.
From, yeah, from like '94
to 2000, probably.
I used to cook breakfast for him.
Cornbread waffles.
When I saw him at the cemetery,
he said he doesn't like waffles.
laughs
"Oh, my God, I've given you like
over a hundred waffles."
But he didn't remember.
He had a reputation for
not putting up
with any bleep from any guys.
If you had a husband or a boyfriend
that would beat you up,
you could go to Willie
and he would get rid of him.
Willie never hurt
a woman or a child,
but he had a huge reputation
for hurting men, huge.
There was a rumor about
this girl who was 16-years-old
who got gang raped.
And he took some guys out fishing
and they never came back.
Just put it that way.
He had a knife
that he kept in his right ankle,
had a gun he kept in his left ankle,
kept a hatchet in his back,
and he would carry
a baseball bat from time to time.
I'm surprised you noticed them.
Alexander
We did some digging
to figure out who this lady is,
and she was arrested because--
she went to jail.
reporter
Solomon says her husband
wanted to be eaten by birds
following his death.
Ila So he wanted me
to open the door so the birds
from the ravine would come in.
But the birds never came in.
They only got as far
as the air conditioner.
reporter Police got suspicious
and entered the house.
They found a body of a deceased
person in advanced stage of decay.
It was Gavin's remains.
The coroner determined
that Gavin's dead body had been
there for nine months.
Prosecutors did charge her
with a Class A misdemeanor
of failure to report a dead body.
Ken Ila has some credibility
issues with respect
to her mental challenges.
Benjaman was adamant
that we needed to go back
and talk to her,
and that is very strange.
It's-- it's part of his plan.
"Go talk to this lady,
go talk to this lady,"
and then he's gonna use
that to discredit you.
Shannon
"You talked to a crazy lady,
and now you're accusing me
of being a hitman."
Alexander
I think Benjaman's clearly
toying with us.
I think Benjaman set us up
to meet with someone who's,
you know, could be completely
discredited here.
He may have this checkered past,
he may be a hitman,
but we have to find a more
reliable source to corroborate
everything that we suspect.
We clearly need a better lead.
phone line ringing
-automated voice At the tone,
please record your message.
-beep
Ken This is Ken Maxwell calling.
We're in the Lafayette area.
knocking noises
Shannon This is
Shannon Evangelista.
I spoke to you a while--
sewing machine ticking
Sue I took care of all
the cleaners in Lafayette.
I did all their sewing.
My name is Sue,
and Bill Powell used to go
fishing with my uncle.
laughs
I know him. Yes.
Yes.
In the '90s,
I met William Powell
at a night spot.
He had a switchblade and a gun on.
He wore it-- he wore it
on his side, on his right side.
But it didn't bother me.
And we had a real good time
that night.
I gave him my number.
He was good-looking.
He reminded me
of a depressed person.
I never seen him smile,
but he'd had a sexy look.
No smile.
Ken So--
He looked in my eyes
and I could get lost in his.
Sue laughs
That is the truth.
I did.
-not saying--
would you remember--
-I slept with him, okay?
Devon Plaza Hotel.
I spent the evening with him there.
I was safe.
laughs I was carrying a gun.
And I didn't get that far from it.
But he carried himself
like a mobster.
He reminded me of a hitman.
I think he--
he could be violent.
I think he really could.
When you have multiple people
that knew William Powell tell you
"This is a really dangerous
person who's very vengeful,
and he's worked
as a hitman in the past,"
it's terrifying.
suspenseful music builds
Yes, I met him through the cleaners
where I do my sewing.
I used to do his fittings.
He had a rough one.
-Ken So --
-He was a rough man.
I got to be careful what I say.
unidentified woman speaking
Thank you.
unidentified woman speaking
Ken You have to educate me.
Wrapped up in what?
I don't understand.
Ken I understand that.
unidentified woman speaking
Yes.
Shannon Benjaman Kyle,
aka William Powell,
is a highly intelligent person.
He is always thinking
20 steps ahead.
He is manipulative and deceptive.
And if I believe what
I've been told by other people,
he's potentially
extremely dangerous.
I want a criminal profiler involved.
The plan is we're gonna
bring in Chris Voss.
Chris Voss has worked
on huge cases for the FBI.
He basically was
a hostage negotiator.
My name is Chris Voss.
I was an FBI agent.
I was a hostage negotiator.
I've got a 27-year history
dealing with
the most dangerous people
in the world while they're lying
and actively deceiving
and figuring out
how to get them to tell the truth
or when they're telling the truth.
Shannon I want to set up
a hidden camera.
Under the guise
that Chris was a producer
He'll interview Benjaman.
clapboard clicks
I want to get a real handle on
what he thinks about Benjaman.
Chris There's some pretty
standard things people do
when they're deceiving.
And so, for example,
in the case of Benjaman,
it's going to be
about what he gives away
with his body language
and his answers.
A deception is a nervous
response about that answer.
And if they're worried
about tells, they're lying.
Eric This is Chris.
Chris, this is Benjaman Kyle.
-Benjaman, how are you?
-Hi.
-All right.
-Chris Nice to meet you.
We want to bring his true
self out as much as possible.
I'm gonna want him-- to make
him feel relaxed and welcome,
like he's in a safe environment,
like he could be himself.
You wanna drink coffee?
indistinct
Chris I'm just trying to get
him to drop his guard.
I'm trying to see
if we can bond a little bit,
if we can find something
we can talk about,
if I can catch him off guard.
You prefer to go--
you prefer to be called Benjaman?
It's Bill Powell?
I'm sorry.
You prefer William--
you prefer William to Bill?
We're being formal here now?
Are you-- are you being formal?
All right, forgive me for
joking around about it, then,
I apologize.
Right.
Chris He had a tremendous
amount of difficulty
saying that he was William Powell.
There's some real control
issues here with him, too.
He's engaging in physical behavior
that typically indicates deception.
Chris It's a variety of tells
from where he puts his hand
completely over his face.
At different times,
he put his hands out
and completely covered his face
with both hands
and then brought it down.
This is a defensive move.
He's worried about the answer,
and he's buying time
so the brain can spin something up.
I've also reviewed
the various interviews,
video footage of Benjaman.
The abuse when I was a kid,
if it's as bad as what
my brother was saying it was,
saying it was, that might,
to a large extent,
explain the memory amnesia.
Chris He said,
"Well, the memory loss is
as a result of my abuse as a child."
And Eric says,
"Well, that's 20 years ago."
And he stops dead in his tracks,
realizing that that's
a bit of a stretch.
Ugh, crap.
After having been successfully
kept all this secret for a long time,
now he's got--
now he's got to create more
to cover it up.
I mean, if you were to turn
the sound off and just watch,
and no context
other than body language,
my impression of that interview
was here's a guy
who's just seething with anger.
In my view, Benjaman Kyle
is a highly manipulative,
highly practiced liar.
He executes his stories
in a very focused
and cold-blooded manner,
what some people might refer to
as a psychopath.
I'd be stunned if this didn't
end up in an arrest of Benjaman
for some crime that's
significant enough for him
to want to go into hiding
for 20 years.
Shannon Under the guise
that Chris was a producer,
he interviewed Benjaman,
and he came back and said that
he believes that Benjaman
quite probably is a psychopath.
But we needed hard evidence.
The missing persons report,
I think it's the key for us
to figure out
what he was running from.
Our leads
from the missing persons report.
Thomas Powell is dead.
Don Richardson is dead.
Bleep won't talk to us.
William Powell
is not being truthful.
That leaves only one person,
Charles "Chico" Goetz.
Like, he's literally the only
key to unlock any information.
We believe that Benjaman,
aka William Powell,
worked for one of the biggest
crime families in Lafayette.
And we're starting to fill in
the picture of that family.
The bar,
that was their headquarters.
And then there were the soldiers
who worked for the boss.
And allegedly,
Benjaman was one of them.
Ken This report has
so much information with respect
to Powell's activities
back in 1976, in Indiana.
Shannon
At this stage of the game,
this is what I know.
I know Benjaman Kyle
is really William Powell.
I know that he left
in March of 1976.
Why would he do that?
I want to know what really happened.
In looking at this report,
a few things show
that William Powell in his 20s
is linked to people
who are engaged
in criminal activity.
The missing persons report
had this really weird section
about a crime boss that broke
into Bill's brother's house
to steal a microwave cookbook
that Bill left behind.
What's so important
about a cookbook?
To me, this is strange.
And also, the report says
a red '66 Rambler, no plates on it.
Had been found abandoned on
the side road near Oakdale Dam.
William was in the company
of Charles "Chico" Goetz.
If Chico fled with Benjaman,
he could have been one of
the other soldiers working
for the crime boss.
Ken
He and Chico flee Lafayette
in the middle of the night
after taking the license plates
off Powell's car
and ditching it up in a rural area.
You only do that if you're
running from something.
You're hiding something, probably
something criminal that you did.
The challenge is,
how do we bring it to a point
that we can actually prove it?
The answer lies with Chico.
-Hey. How you doing?
-Good, Chico. How are you?
Doing well.
crew member
Did you do the AudioVerse?
Did you put his microphone on?
crew member #2 He is locked up.
crew member We're rolling
any time you want.
Chris So, let's kind of start
from square one, when you first
ran across Bill Powell.
Chico Well, we both worked
for United Artists Theaters
in Lafayette, Indiana.
He was very easy to get along with.
He was really the only friend
I had at that time in my life.
And I think it was lonely
for him, too.
I seemed to be his only--
only real social outlet, also.
We had a lot of fun.
We were pretty young and dumb
and did some stupid things.
But we were both
pretty honest folks.
I think what was really happening
in that period, though,
is that we were
starting to drink more.
We were sitting over there
at Keggers in Illinois one night.
It had to have been midnight,
one o'clock in the morning.
And I told him I had
a buddy out in Colorado.
"Why don't we go to Colorado?"
And he said,
"All right, let's do it."
So, we drove back to Lafayette.
We cleared out my apartment,
we cleared out his trailer,
and we were headed to Colorado
when the sun came up that morning.
Never did.
We, uh, I'm sure
the missing persons report was
written up for us leaving
for Colorado,
and the cops never
caught up with me.
It's not?
gasps
Chico Wow!
Carroll County.
"We must have left it up around
my parents' place somewhere."
Yeah, that's close
to my parents' house.
I had to have been.
laughs
I don't know, I don't know.
I may have helped.
I don't know.
Sounds to me like we may not
have been as honest
and uppity up as I thought we were.
laughs heartily
That's pretty sneaky,
underhanded stuff.
Nothing about this makes sense.
Or passes a sniff test
in any way, shape, or form.
I don't blame you for being careful
about what you're saying.
I think you're trying to make
sure you don't hurt Bill.
Chico My memory might be
a little twisted
because I do hold him dear.
I mean,
I think he had a little bit
of a wild man buried in him.
He would come up
with off-the-wall things
every once in a while.
To me, they were off-the-wall.
Now you're gonna make me say that.
Uh, stammers.
Things like some of the places
he would take me in Lafayette there.
There was a piece of the old Wabash
and Erie Canal next to the road.
You have to get over into the woods,
and pretty soon you can find
what's left of a ditch.
Chris So, what are you
telling me, though?
stammering What's the point?
Chico
I guess we were drinking,
and maybe that's why
my memory is strained.
It was a strained time.
Chris The two of you guys,
you were troubled.
Yeah, that's a fair thing
to say, yeah.
Chico told us that Powell
would take him to a place
that he called "the Ditch."
But we also heard
from Powell's brother Furman
And then they found
an unidentified body
up by America's river junction,
Tippecanoe, Wabash Rivers,
We have two people
who don't talk to one another
talking about the same place.
Shannon I don't believe Chico.
We realized that the story
went a lot deeper
than what he was telling us.
The plan is we're gonna
surprise Benjaman with Chico.
We want real reactions.
Benjaman Well,
I just thought of something.
You used to see their carriages
on the street once in a while.
Chris Hey, what's happening?
Nice to see you.
Oh.
There's a stranger amongst you.
-Oh, hey, I need to get out
of that picture, don't I?
-I'm used to strangers.
Chris Why don't you guys
go ahead and introduce
yourselves, you two.
I'm Chico Goetz.
-Bill Powell.
-Really?
Chico I don't believe it. You're
-Benjaman, right?
-Yeah.
Nice to meet you.
It has been a very long time.
Hmm.
I'm sorry you don't remember
a whole lot of that.
stuttering I don't.
Um, um
-stammers Yeah.
-laughs
Chris You know,
he was an important guy to you.
Yeah, I guess. I don't.
Chris
You should be happy to see
a guy who was important to you.
Chico Well.
Benjaman I didn't remember him.
I didn't recognize him.
And it took a while of thinking
before I finally realized that,
you know,
some of his voice mannerisms
seemed familiar.
Shannon
Benjaman is terrified
that we brought Chico.
When we confronted him,
he turns white.
-He's ashen.
-He sat there.
Glared.
Shannon
It was a strange dynamic.
Chico had more
like a predatory attitude.
It was like Chico
is looking dead on at him,
and Benjaman
would not return eye contact.
Shannon Like, if they're hiding
something, I want to see them
get their story straight.
And then I want to see
what they talk about.
Shannon
A minute, Chico and Benjaman
spoke alone without cameras.
It's like he's warning Benjaman,
"This is what we have to say,
because this is what they know."
Chris Psychopaths, from a hostage
negotiator's perspective,
I know that they're control freaks.
So losing control
is going to infuriate them.
Oh, okay.
Shannon The minute
we would put him in any situation
where he was losing control,
the guy that he really is,
the antisocial,
angry person would step out.
That's who you saw
when we met Chico.
Why didn't they tell me
they had found him?
I mean, just tell me
they had found him.
You know, why didn't--
why the bleep didn't you tell me
that he was bringing--
bringing him in?
George Bill was a pretty
serious guy,
but I could make him laugh,
you know, pretty quick.
-I believe so,
yeah, because, uh
-Eric Okay.
I was, uh
I was a housekeeper over there.
I would suspect that maybe
he got some wrongdoings
with some wrong people,
maybe, or something, you know?
And that he may have
cheated somebody
back then you didn't do.
No, I wouldn't say I did,
but I can't say I didn't either.
Well
Eric
Hmm.
-Eric Yeah.
-So I really
Ken
Here's the Wabash, right?
-Tippecanoe.
-Tippecanoe.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I stand corrected.
Chico If I had a memory,
and I don't have a memory.
But I think you do.
My point is,
you remember a lot of things.
We're going to go back to that night
when you guys left for Colorado,
so we're going to go visit
where the car was left.
Alexander Trying to find out
what really happened back then,
why William Powell ran away
in the middle of the night
with his friend Chico Goetz.
Did you ever hear
the name Chico Goetz?
I can't say anything.
Ken What do you mean?
Chico Goetz.
unidentified woman speaking
-Be careful.
-unidentified woman speaking
Ken
I'm sorry.
I couldn't hear you.
I couldn't hear you.
He's not sane?
-He's not a saint.
-unidentified woman
Not a saint.
Ken
Are you aware of anybody
who's been killed?
We can't say.
Chico This is the road
in the police report.
This is where I remember it.
Ken
So it's two or three o'clock
in the morning.
And Bill Powell,
he wants to dump his car.
Right?
And he's gonna pick this road.
Why?
Why?
That's what I'm saying.
-Chico We wanted
to get rid of that car.
-Chico,
Chico, Chico.
-Chico I know what it sounds like.
-Ken Let me tell you something.
It-- it-- it's not kosher, baby.
Give me-- give me
a legitimate reason.
All right, I'm gonna sit back
as a smart guy.
Give me a legitimate reason
why Bill Powell,
at three o'clock in the morning,
wants to take a set of bleep
license plates off a car?
-Chico What?
-Ken Give me the legitimate
reason.
You remember a lot of things.
ominous music plays
Ken Okay.
Yep.
Will you guys just let me
take a little walk
down the road and back?
-Ken You looked upset.
-Because I can't--
-Ken So you're upset because--
-I'm not getting the detail.
Ken
Look, if you don't remember,
you don't remember,
you don't get upset about that.
You're upset about something
you do remember.
At some point, the truth
will come out on all this.
You want to put yourself
in a good position here.
You know?
You know what we're going to do?
We're going to go to the ditch.
You're gonna show us the ditch.
We wouldn't know about that
ditch if you didn't tell us.
-That's the ditch.
-Chico That's the ditch.
So, why was it so important
for you to tell us about this ditch?
Ken Yeah?
Come on down here.
It sure does. Follow me here.
This is your way of getting it
off your chest
that he shared something with you.
You ever hear
about any missing persons
around this area?
Chico
You know, there's been
some things going on at Purdue.
-Uh-huh.
-Chico But, uh
What-- what-- like what?
-Chico It seems like one they
found murdered somewhere.
-Mm-hmm.
Chico You know,
and she was missing for a while
when they found her body.
Ken Chico, Chico.
You understand how serious this is?
Chico I understand.
Ken If we had to get cadaver dogs.
If we had to dig
this place up, right?
And we find something,
guess where the FBI
and the police are gonna start?
You.
Because you showed us this place.
Why don't you think about that?
You don't want to ever get
on that train and know something
and not share it,
and then we uncover it.
Chico
I'm-- that train's not there.
I'm trying to be honest
with you guys.
I have done
some bad things in my life.
I've never done anything
like rape or murder,
and I'm trying not to hide anything.
Ken That's bleep.
You're lying. This isn't over.
Hello?
Ken
Thanks for calling back.
We're trying to find people
who might remember William Powell.
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